The Little Known Biblical Curse of Egypt by Isaiah

[MMS]

Why does the Torah distinguish between Good and bad actions in the characters in its stories. If they are the same then what’s the point?

What lesson is it telling when the repercussions of “evil” vs “good” actions (in gods eyes) are negative vs positive?

To avoid the terminology/translating debate. Just focus on the understanding of the basic concept.

Why does god make the distinction when calling a “spirit” evil? What does this even mean to you?

Can the God of the Torah do evil in your opinion or definition of the word?

Be carful how you answer....... @MMS is reading

You really should provide scripture to illustrate the point you’re making

 

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You really should provide scripture to illustrate the point you’re making

I’m pretty sure both you and @Koichos know the Bible stories better than me. And evil vs good is obviously a reoccurring theme so understanding the bigger picture is more important

But as for a single direct reference from the Bible:

1 Samuel 16:14 Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

1 Samuel 18:10 The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully upon Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the harp, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand.

1 Samuel 19:9 But an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the harp.

But don’t answer first before @Koichos because that might throw him off track on a side debate

 

[MMS]

I’m pretty sure both you and @Koichos know the Bible stories better than me. And evil vs good is obviously a reoccurring theme so understanding the bigger picture is more important

actually its not

"the sons of Israel doing evil in the sight of the LORD"

is the recurring theme

its only when you get to the New Testament that escapism and the blame game becomes the theme. But carry on. The term vs/versus implies polytheism.

 

[Koichos]

Why does the Torah distinguish between Good and bad actions in the characters in its stories.

What is 'good' without 'bad', 'light' without 'dark', etc., etc.? We cannot appreciate one without the other.

If they are the same then what’s the point?

I never said they were; in fact I was very careful how I translated the Hebrew to avoid such a suggestion.

What lesson is it telling when the repercussions of “evil” vs “good” actions (in gods eyes) are negative vs positive?

To avoid the terminology/translating debate. Just focus on the understanding of the basic concept.

Choose the right path and not the wrong one. For example,

הַֽעִידֹֽתִי בָכֶם הַיּוֹם אֶת־הַשָּׁמַֽיִם וְאֶת־הָאָֽרֶץ הַֽחַיִּים וְהַמָּֽוֶת נָתַֽתִּי לְפָנֶֽיךָ הַבְּרָכָה וְהַקְּלָלָה וּבָֽחַרְתָּ בַּֽחַיִּים לְמַֽעַן תִּֽחְיֶה אַתָּה וְזַרְעֶֽךָָ׃​

Today, I call upon Heaven and Earth to bear witness that I have laid out before you Life and Death—the Blessing and the Curse; and [I want you to] choose Life, so that you will live—[both] you and your descendants. (D'varîm 30:19)

Why does god make the distinction when calling a “spirit” evil? What does this even mean to you?

You are probably referring to the term רוּחַַ רָָעָָה that occurs in verses like Sh'mûél Part I 16:14

וְרֽוּחַַ יְְיָָ סָֽרָה מֵעִם שָׁאוּל וּבִֽעֲתַֽתּוּ רֽוּחַַ־רָָעָָה מֵאֵת יְְיָָ׃​

Adοnai's Presence had deserted Sha'ûl and fits of depression [or 'moods of melancholia'] from Adοnai were torturing him.

The term רוּחַַ רָָעָָה 'a fit of depression' occurs precisely three times (Shōfṭîm 9:23; Sh'mûél Part I 16:14, 16:23), and the parallel terms רוּחַַ אֱֱלֹֹהִִים רָָעָָה 'a fit of depression from Elohim' and רוּחַַ יְְיָָ רָָעָָה 'a fit of depression from Adοnai' occur three times more (Sh'mûél Part I 16:15, 16:16, 18:10) and once more (ibidem 19:9), respectively.

And in all but one case (Shōfṭîm 9:23), the term refers to the 'fits of depression [or, moods of melancholia]' that Sha'ûl suffered from after God's Presence had abandoned him (the one exception is in Shōfṭîm 9:23 - where the context indicates a 'bad feeling', causing the inhabitants of Sh'chem (Nablus) to betray the usurper Avimellech).

So, רוּחַַ רָָעָָה is not a spiritual entity, but rather a mental condition (some kind of neurosis) engineered by God. In fact, רוּחַַ rarely means an incorporeal 'spirit', but more usually a 'wind', a 'mood', a 'fit', or even a 'presence'.

Can the God of the Torah do evil in your opinion or definition of the word?

'Evil' exists in the World because God Himself creates it:

יוֹֹצֵֵר אוֹר וּבוֹֹרֵֵא חֹֽשֶׁךְ
עֹֹשֶֶׂה שָׁלוֹם וּבֽוֹרֵא רָע
אֲנִי יְְיָָ עֹֹשֶֶׂה כָל־אֵֽלֶֶּה׃​

Forming 'Light' and creating 'Darkness',
making 'Peace' and creating 'Evil'—
it is I, Adοnai, doing all these! (Y'sha'yahu 45:7)

The three verbs יוֹֹצֵֵר yōtzér ('forming'), בּוֹֹרֵֵא bōré ('creating') and עֹֹשֶֶׂה 'ōsêh ('making' or 'doing') are all present participles illustrating that God's creating of 'Good' and 'Evil' is a continuous, ongoing process.

 

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What is 'good' without 'bad', 'light' without 'dark', etc., etc.? We cannot appreciate one without the other.


I never said they were; in fact I was very careful how I translated the Hebrew to avoid such a suggestion.


Choose the right path and not the wrong one. For example,



You are probably referring to the term רוּחַַ רָָעָָה that occurs in verses like Sh'mûél Part I 16:14

The term רוּחַַ רָָעָָה 'a fit of depression' occurs precisely three times (Shōfṭîm 9:23; Sh'mûél Part I 16:14, 16:23), and the parallel terms רוּחַַ אֱֱלֹֹהִִים רָָעָָה 'a fit of depression from Elohim' and רוּחַַ יְְיָָ רָָעָָה 'a fit of depression from Adοnai' occur three times more (Sh'mûél Part I 16:15, 16:16, 18:10) and once more (ibidem 19:9), respectively.

And in all but one case (Shōfṭîm 9:23), the term refers to the 'fits of depression [or, moods of melancholia]' that Sha'ûl suffered from after God's Presence had abandoned him (the one exception is in Shōfṭîm 9:23 - where the context indicates a 'bad feeling', causing the inhabitants of Sh'chem (Nablus) to betray the usurper Avimellech).

So, רוּחַַ רָָעָָה is not a spiritual entity, but rather a mental condition (some kind of neurosis) engineered by God. In fact, רוּחַַ rarely means an incorporeal 'spirit', but more usually a 'wind', a 'mood', a 'fit', or even a 'presence'.


'Evil' exists in the World because God Himself creates it:

The three verbs יוֹֹצֵֵר yōtzér ('forming'), בּוֹֹרֵֵא bōré ('creating') and עֹֹשֶֶׂה 'ōsêh ('making' or 'doing') are all present participles illustrating that God's creating of 'Good' and 'Evil' is a continuous, ongoing process.

Exactly the point I was making, thank you

You could even think of gods “presence” as a protection from “evil”. If God made “evil” then obviously evil things have no power over God

And I’m not even Jewish but most Christians (that I’ve talked to) don’t understand these concepts.

 

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actually its not

"the sons of Israel doing evil in the sight of the LORD"

is the recurring theme

its only when you get to the New Testament that escapism and the blame game becomes the theme. But carry on. The term vs/versus implies polytheism.

I’ll quote @Koichos because his answer to me applies to this

What is 'good' without 'bad', 'light' without 'dark', etc., etc.? We cannot appreciate one without the other.

It’s like we know good and evil through each other. How else is evil defined other than the opposite of doing good? Or good by resisting evil/the devil?

Just like Judaism has the idea of holy vs unholy from God. And Obviously this idea shouldn’t be applied to God who creates everything?

Maybe that’s why evil is associated with demons, false gods, Satan, the serpent, etc.... in stories or real life if you believe it

I think you have to understand the concept of “good & evil” from an unbeliever point of view

In that sense the story is relevant and it’s kinda a “scared straight” type of situation

I’m telling you what I think the message or meaning intended that should be taken from it. Which is obviously to someone on the surface level NOT someone like me you or Koichos in this thread right now

 

[MMS]

I’ll quote @Koichos because his answer to me applies to this

What is 'good' without 'bad', 'light' without 'dark', etc., etc.? We cannot appreciate one without the other.

It’s like we know good and evil through each other. How else is evil defined other than the opposite of doing good? Or good by resisting evil/the devil?

Just like Judaism has the idea of holy vs unholy from God. And Obviously this idea shouldn’t be applied to God who creates everything?

Maybe that’s why evil is associated with demons, false gods, Satan, the serpent, etc.... in stories or real life if you believe it

I think you have to understand the concept of “good & evil” from an unbeliever point of view

In that sense the story is relevant and it’s kinda a “scared straight” type of situation

I’m telling you what I think the message or meaning intended that should be taken from it. Which is obviously to someone on the surface level NOT someone like me you or Koichos in this thread right now

this is inherently the issue

an unbeliever cannot be trusted to understand good nor evil (see Genesis 2, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil results in death)

whereas God provided via Moses

- the Law
- Judges
- testimony of his prophets

and finally the three great Gentile judges

- Balaam
- Jesus
- Paul (honorable mention John of Patmos/Revelation)

so as a christian, you are starting with the bottom three and working your way back to the top 3.

 

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this is inherently the issue

an unbeliever cannot be trusted to understand good nor evil (see Genesis 2, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil results in death)

whereas God provided via Moses

- the Law
- Judges
- testimony of his prophets

and finally the three great Gentile judges

- Balaam
- Jesus
- Paul (honorable mention John of Patmos/Revelation)

so as a christian, you are starting with the bottom three and working your way back to the top 3.

Nice touch putting Balaam in there. I’m familiar with your game

I wonder if @Koichos regards him a prophet (peach be on him)

 

[MMS]

Nice touch putting Balaam in there. I’m familiar with your game

I wonder if @Koichos regards him a prophet (peach be on him)

its what the Old testament says

and ultimately one of the key talking points of Paul

who is who? what if the donkey is really Balaam? (he licks up the grass)

Bible Gateway passage: Acts 9 - King James Version

And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. And as he...

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Acts 9:20-25

20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

21 But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests?

22 But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.

23 And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him:

24 But their laying await was known of Saul. And they watched the gates day and night to kill him.

25 Then the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket.

why do they show Jesus on a donkey coming into Jerusalem?

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remember if you dont know already about Balaam (swallower of the people) is that the scriptures pit him against Moses

Spoiler

Why do people think they can control this eagle?

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/right-now-at-this-very-moment-you-are-surrounded-and-being-observed-by-an-almost-innumerable-amount-of-beings-what-faces-are-they-making.953774/page-3#post-48394084

 

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@MMS come explain this

 

[MMS]

@MMS come explain this

@Marks its hidden symbolism...is it what they did, or is it what they believe their word is doing to them?

Satis (goddess) - Wikipedia

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As a war goddess, Satis protected Egypt's southern Nubian frontier by killing the enemies of the pharaoh with her sharp arrows.

As a fertility goddess, she was thought to grant the wishes of those who sought love.

She seems to have originally been paired with the Theban god Montu but later replaced Heket as the consort of Khnum,[9] guardian of the source of the Nile.

the bible also explains that the israelites had extended issues with the midianites despite Moses relationship with Tzipporah

 

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@Marks its hidden symbolism...is it what they did, or is it what they believe their word is doing to them?

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the bible also explains that the israelites had extended issues with the midianites despite Moses relationship with Tzipporah

So the Egyptians enslaved black Africans? Do you distinguish between the two by color?

If so, how?

 

[MMS]

So the Egyptians enslaved black Africans? Do you distinguish between the two by color?

If so, how?

consider the location

its the boundary between africa and asia/europe

so they could be redbones @YOGEBEAR09

 

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consider the location

its the boundary between africa and asia/europe

so they could be redbones @YOGEBEAR09

Or they could be Ethiopians

 

[MMS]

Or they could be Ethiopians

if so, why would they have borders with kush/nubia to distinguish themselves from them thats why I posted what I did

are the african religions african...or what they learned from ancient egypt?