The Legacies Of The Cavs,Warriors And...Gil Scott Herion

[FTBS]

It could have also been avoided if LeBron doesn't step over him. There's no spinning here, that's just reality

Did you ignore where I explained why the KG Celtics were an all time great team because they established a reputation as one of the best defenses in league history en route to a championship. If the Suns were to win a title on top of their revolutionary offensive approach they would be an all time great team in a similar way. The Warriors are that now. It's just a matter of how high they can climb.

The 80's 76ers are not a footnote to those privy to NBA history. Moses' Fo Fo Fo prediction is absolutely legendary. Prior to his signing those teams were really just a top center away from winning it all anyway and he helped to fill that void and then some.

I'm entirely objective here and would not care at all about the Warriors if they weren't playing basketball at a historical level for two straight seasons. If you see this team as nothing but a footnate 25 years from now I question your perspective on this game.

Reality is he didn't get suspended for that one incident. He got suspended because he racked up stupid flagrants for no reason like an idiot. If Draymond is smart throughout the playoffs that shyt is a mere footnote in a probable Warriors chip. Instead it keyed a historic turn around. "Bu...bu...but Bron stepped over him" .

Yeah I ignored it because it's not true. They had a great year and nice run but they could never back it up. Same with the 6ers.

If you see this team as ATG after one chip and a historic collapse that cost them another one then I question yours .

 

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[Malta]

We know you read everything I write

Act like you didn't make a ton of posts after me, then go back to page 1 just to quote me cause you was missin me

 

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We know you read everything I write

Act like you didn't make a ton of posts after me, then go back to page 1 just to quote me cause you was missin me

 

[inndaskKy]

Its kind of funny seeing so many people talk about Harrison Barnes' futility in this thread. As if an all time great team's success should rest on the shoulders of their fourth option. Imagine if the 96 Bulls blew a 3-1 lead in the series and afterwards cats were saying, "Yeah, but they would've won if Ron Harper hadn't shot 30%"

The 72-10 Bulls won the Finals in 6 games. You know what Pip shot in that series? 34% from the field 23% from 3. He was their second best player.

All-time great teams find a way to get it done.

People gonna ignore the fukk out of this..
"B-b-b-but MJ got more help than LeBron."

 

[Consumed]

Reality is he didn't get suspended for that one incident. He got suspended because he racked up stupid flagrants for no reason like an idiot. If Draymond is smart throughout the playoffs that shyt is a mere footnote in a probable Warriors chip. Instead it keyed a historic turn around. "Bu...bu...but Bron stepped over him" .

Yeah I ignored it because it's not true. They had a great year and nice run but they could never back it up. Same with the 6ers.

If you see this team as ATG after one chip and a historic collapse that cost them another one then I question yours .

I mean, it's on you if you ignore LeBron's role in that. And if you just acknowledged that the Warriors would have won the title if he were not suspended, then they aren't an all time great team because of an incident that has nothing to do with basketball? What kind of logic.......

A great year and a nice run includes the Boston Celtics establishing themselves as one of the best defenses in all time in that stretch. You win a championship with that type of historical billing, you are in the long list of all time great squads. If multiple rings is your classification for considering a team such no matter the level of play a team records in a span of time you're way oversimplifying it and ignoring other factors.

If you chose to remember the Warriors only for having one title and a historical collapse, I definitely question yours.

 

[FTBS]

I mean, it's on you if you ignore LeBron's role in that. And if you just acknowledged that the Warriors would have won the title if he were not suspended, then they aren't an all time great team because of an incident that has nothing to do with basketball? What kind of logic.......

A great year and a nice run includes the Boston Celtics establishing themselves as one of the best defenses in all time in that stretch. You win a championship with that type of historical billing, you are in the long list of all time great squads. If multiple rings is your classification for considering a team such no matter the level of play a team records in a span of time you're way oversimplifying it and ignoring other factors.

If you chose to remember the Warriors only for having one title and a historical collapse, I definitely question yours.

No it's on Draymond because he is the one who put himself in that position. All time great teams don't do stupid, completely avoidable, unnecessary shyt that prevents them from establishing that greatness. The Cavs may well have won game 5, considering how they played in game 6 and how the Warriors stupidly poked the bear and awoke Bron. However Draymond certainly did his team and their bid for all time greatness no favors with that stupid shyt.

No I am demanding that teams get it done over time. Something you claimed to espouse yourself.

So far that's what they got. Can't see into the future .

 

[Consumed]

No it's on Draymond because he is the one who put himself in that position. All time great teams don't do stupid, completely avoidable, unnecessary shyt that prevents them from establishing that greatness. The Cavs may well have won game 5, considering how they played in game 6 and how the Warriors stupidly poked the bear and awoke Bron. However Draymond certainly did his team and their bid for all time greatness no favors with that stupid shyt.

No I am demanding that teams get it done over time. Something you claimed to espouse yourself.

So far that's what they got. Can't see into the future .

I don't think Draymond asked for LeBron to put his nuts on the top of his head. And about the kick that sparked everything, it's really unfortunate and he deserved that flagrant, but its an actual regular motion in his game not much different than Westbrook wildly kicking his legs out after threes to draw fouls. If this were a previous era Green isn't suspended for that incident with LeBron in the middle of the NBA Finals, so its hard to compare his actions to lets say the Bad Boy Pistons who would have put themselves in plenty of positions to jeopardize their championship runs.

Multiple seasons of historic play w/ a championship is getting it done over time for me. I hope you took issue with people calling the Spurs an all time great team in 2014 despite choking the previous year and getting bounced in the first round the next year.

 

[FTBS]

I don't think Draymond asked for LeBron to put his nuts on the top of his head. And about the kick that sparked everything, it's really unfortunate and he deserved that flagrant, but its an actual regular motion in his game not much different than Westbrook kicking his legs out after every three to draw fouls. If this were a previous era Green isn't suspended for that incident with LeBron in the middle of the NBA Finals, so its hard to compare his actions to lets say the Bad Boy Pistons who would have put themselves in plenty of positions to jeopardize their championship runs.

Multiple seasons of historic play w/ a championship is getting it done over time for me. I didn't take issue with those who called the Spurs an all time great team in 2014 despite choking the previous year and doing the exact same the year after with the same core.

He knows what era he's in though. It's not like he was plucked from 1985 and dropped down into today. Don't see much tape of guys in the 80's going for dudes nuts though. Feel free to show me all the times Westbrook kicked somebody in the nuts. It's hilarious how you "objectively" dance around this. This nikka hit/kicked multiple people in the nuts for no reason, knowing what the current rules are and you coppin every plea in the book for that bullshyt.

The Spurs were a consistent contender for 15 years with 4 other rings.

 

[Consumed]

He knows what era he's in though. It's not like he was plucked from 1985 and dropped down into today. Don't see much tape of guys in the 80's going for dudes nuts though. Feel free to show me all the times Westbrook kicked somebody in the nuts. It's hilarious how you "objectively" dance around this. This nikka hit/kicked multiple people in the nuts for no reason, knowing what the current rules are and you coppin every plea in the book for that bullshyt.

The Spurs were a consistent contender for 15 years with 4 other rings.

Well you asked for it. Russell Westbrook kicking Tim Duncan in the crotch:


Kicking people in general same series:



Kicks in Warriors series:





He does it literally all the time. It's not different from Green. Keep saying I'm coppin pleas but you know I'm really doing? Being objective.

The Spurs remodeled their team in terms of philosophy and made several major roster changes since their last championship (Kawhi being the most major). You don't group them all together as if they were the same.

 

[FTBS]

Well you asked for it. Russell Westbrook kicking Tim Duncan in the crotch:


Kicking people in general same series:



Kicks in Warriors series:





He does it literally all the time. It's not different from Green. Keep saying I'm coppin pleas but you know I'm really doing? Being objective.

The Spurs remodeled their team in terms of philosophy and made several major roster changes since their last championship (Kawhi being the most major). You don't group them all together as if they were the same.

I see one nut kick and a bunch where he kicked air. I never said he didn't kick. The "in the nuts" was the most salient piece.

It is copping pleas because Draymond has plenty of kicks where he got no call. When was he called? When he kicked/hit a nikka in the nuts. Don't see what is so hard to understand about this for an "objective" person. He knew he had one flagrant left and he decided to get into some shyt with a dude that had nothing to lose. That is the definition of stupidity.

That's the point. They did it over time. They did it over so much time that their entire philosophy and their roster around their core changed. That's some all time great shyt from a team standpoint.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

@Consumed

Draymond was doing bullshyt the entire playoffs. He was the only player on either team that was even close to getting suspended. They had given him multiple chances over the course of the playoffs. They had no choice but to suspend him for a blatant punch to the nuts. Hell they were still nice in only suspending him for one game. Then curry hits a fan in the face with his mouthpiece, and they quietly ignored that too.

And his absence isn't really an excuse since he played in 3 of their 4 losses to the cavs

The thing that did them in IMO is cockiness. They drunk their own koolaide. And began to believe they already had it in the bag. Even going back for game 7 they were still throwing sliders and acting nonchalant. Predicting curry to go off for 50 and shyt.

Once they realized shyt got real it was too late, and they were stuck in the hardest 4 minutes of their career, and they were ill prepared for the adversity.

 

[Consumed]

I see one nut kick and a bunch where he kicked air. I never said he didn't kick. The "in the nuts" was the most salient piece.

It is copping pleas because Draymond has plenty of kicks where he got no call. When was he called? When he kicked/hit a nikka in the nuts. Don't see what is so hard to understand about this for an "objective" person. He knew he had one flagrant left and he decided to get into some shyt with a dude that had nothing to lose. That is the definition of stupidity.

That's the point. They did it over time. They did it over so much time that their entire philosophy and their roster around their core changed. That's some all time great shyt from a team standpoint.

There's like an inch of a difference between Westbrook connecting with people's temple with those kicks. What happened when he actually hit Duncan in the balls? Nothing. Did he stop flailing? No. He's not different than Green, people just like and respect him more because he's better at basketball.

It's because I'm objective that I never argued that Green should not have been suspended, or that it was wrong for LeBron to provoke him. It was honestly very smart (and he won me money for doing that so I'm not really mad at him). All I've said is that there were two parties to that incident and that it's not as black & white as you make it seem. Then you said its something that keeps them from being all time great, and I'm saying that's silly.

If the Spurs had the same core and team philosophy I'd hear you but they changed things so much that I can't compare the Spurs in 2007 to the Spurs of seven years later. I mean Kawhi won Finals MVP in 2014 and he was in high school in their last championship.

 

[Consumed]

@Consumed

Draymond was doing bullshyt the entire playoffs. He was the only player on either team that was even close to getting suspended. They had given him multiple chances over the course of the playoffs. They had no choice but to suspend him for a blatant punch to the nuts. Hell they were still nice in only suspending him for one game.

And his absence isn't really an excuse since he played in 3 of their 4 losses to the cavs

The thing that did them in IMO is cockiness. They drunk their own koolaide. And began to believe they already had it in the bag. Even going back for game 7 they were still throwing sliders and acting nonchalant. Predicting curry to go off for 50 and shyt.

Once they realized shyt got real it was too late, and they were stuck in the hardest 4 minutes of their career, and they were ill prepared for the adversity.

Yeah I would agree that they were probably too overconfident. It's their strength but at times their biggest weakness, you would think after the way this Finals went down they'd come back more "matured" (not that they're immature, but just gaining more perspective and postseason experience). I didn't say his absence was an excuse for them losing, but that it was a break for Cleveland down 3-1 going back to Oracle and that there were two parties to that altercation.

 

[Big Boss]

Teams that 3 peat>>>>Teams that win Back to Back>>>>>>>>>>>>>Teams with 1

These teams are on the same level with the Chauncey and Sheed Pistons or the Pierce and KG Celtics in the grand scheme of things...

Five years from now we should be able to look back gather the facts and have this discussion...Any declarations made now are just being a prisoner of the moment..

What about teams that don't go back to back but have multiple titles like the spurs?