The Legacies Of The Cavs,Warriors And...Gil Scott Herion

[CurrencyChase]

Except it's not. Did you not read my post properly?

The Cavs won under those circumstances and this board crowned them. If the Warriors won under those circumstances this board would say how the league is rigged and how they were lucky because of the Cavs' injuries.

That is not "almost the same" at all. Dudes were already saying that the Warriors were only going to win G7 if the refs were in their back pocket. They already had their "excuses" ready to go if the Warriors did win. There's a portion of posters on this board who were never going to give the Warriors their dues, no matter what happened.

ahhh the reason the Warriors didnt get their due was because Lebron by himself took the Cavs up 3-1 last finals without Kyrie & Love..Then this year, Lebron had Kyrie & Love and guess what happened : The Cavs again proved they were the better team coming back from a 3-1 deficit to win it all...the regular season dont mean shyt because the finals and what happens in it outshines it..

 

[Fortunate Lee]

What a delusional c*nt.

Can you IMAGINE the trolling gill scott thott woulda done if those dudes actually won the title?!

Bron is really champ of the people.
And the late great scott heron rollin in his grave

 

[Microfracture]

What a delusional c*nt.

Can you IMAGINE the trolling gill scott thott woulda done if those dudes actually won the title?!

Bron is really champ of the people.
And the late great scott heron rollin in his grave

Lebron saved us all a summer of reckless shyt talking and Kobe stannery.


COLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[OG Talk]

Teams that 3 peat>>>>Teams that win Back to Back>>>>>>>>>>>>>Teams with 1

These teams are on the same level with the Chauncey and Sheed Pistons or the Pierce and KG Celtics in the grand scheme of things...

Five years from now we should be able to look back gather the facts and have this discussion...Any declarations made now are just being a prisoner of the moment..

 

[LinusCaldwell]

Replace the coach of the year The coli laughed at rodman for saying Kerr ain't coaching shyt

Coaches of the year get fired the next word to Avery Johnson

 

[Consumed]

Andrew Bogut's impact on the game/Warriors simply isn't comparable to Kyrie's, or even Kevin Love's LAST season, though.

I'd say Green being suspended for a closeout game at home, Bogut's injury and Igguodala tweaking his back is a comparable situation.

Regardless, you generally need everything to win a championship and any small thing that breaks against you a great team will often take advantage of. That's what the Cavs did and rightfully so.

It looks like a warriors agenda post

Few posessions away from repeat oh man the excuses are amazing, thats like when people say karl malone is top 10 all time cause he a beast but he just lost to bulls.

Either both cavs and warriors are all time great teams or none of them.

The warriors had greatest regular season, fine, but it doesn't mean much if you dont win a ring, that's what actually the golden state players said too, with steve kerr. They just pulled the biggest choke in nba history choking 3-1 lead for the first time in the finals, to the team that won 16 less games in regular season. You cannot call that team all time great because they didnt win a championship that year, few posessions or not it doesnt change the fact that they blew 3-1 lead. How many non championship teams do you consider the all time great teams?

When we talk about 95 rockets we consider that team all time great because they went against the odds from average record to the championship. Same applies to Bron, he beat the team which was supposed to win, and he put up GODLIKE numbers. Legendary finals, I can call both teams all time great, but dont tell me this statistics numbers saying oh they won more games in regular season they had better advanced stats, that's a biased post because at the end of the day both teams have a championship each, and both teams beat each other.

And look at the matchups of both years, from two years warriors strongest oppoents were okc and cavs, they beat okc lost to cavs, they beat the injured cavs last year.

Meanwhile cavs beat weakass eastern teams and beat the warriors team, a stronger team, which had a few injuries, but not a critical ones like losing kyrie in 2015.

Looks to me that even both team playoff runs were not that much different, both had easy matchups and both beat the strong teams too.

You know what I meant by that damnshow. You're making a big deal out of essentially nothing. There's a difference between not being in position to win the championship at all and actually getting there but falling short by a slim margin. I'm not one of those people who considers a finals appearance lesser than getting knocked out of the 2nd round just because they didn't win the championship.

Cavs have not put together the body of work the Warriors have. They have a legitimate claim for being one of the GOAT offenses in NBA history because of what they've done in the totality of a season on top of playing elite defense. They are spearheading a league going in the direction of volume 3PT shooting, spacing the floor and having great small ball lineups. In the same way your KG Celtics are an all time great squad despite having just one championship but having the reputation of being one of the GOAT defenses, so do the Warriors (even more so if you value RS, which you should).

Something I think you and some others are missing is that it's not just about the '16 season for the Warriors. It's this year and last combined - both were historic seasons. They've objectively had an all-time stretch of basketball in this span. That matters

The '95 Rockets being considered an all time great team is news to me (more often stated that Hakeem's run in back to back seasons was that), but how is that similar to Cleveland who were the odds on favorite to win the championship before the season started. It's not like the Cavs were some monster underdog before the year began or anything, they were a trendy pick to get back here and win it all. It was the Warriors efforts in the RS and the Cavs starting slow with Irving having to work himself back from injury that got people to change their minds back.

 

[FTBS]

Teams that 3 peat>>>>Teams that win Back to Back>>>>>>>>>>>>>Teams with 1

These teams are on the same level with the Chauncey and Sheed Pistons or the Pierce and KG Celtics in the grand scheme of things...

Five years from now we should be able to look back gather the facts and have this discussion...Any declarations made now are just being a prisoner of the moment..

Great minds

 

[LinusCaldwell]

You've doubted the Warriors for the last two seasons and they've continued to prove you wrong. Even when you kept moving the goalposts.

The people want you on the show breh

 

[Microfracture]

Teams that 3 peat>>>>Teams that win Back to Back>>>>>>>>>>>>>Teams with 1

These teams are on the same level with the Chauncey and Sheed Pistons or the Pierce and KG Celtics in the grand scheme of things...

Five years from now we should be able to look back gather the facts and have this discussion...Any declarations made now are just being a prisoner of the moment..

I can't disagree with anything you're saying but I'm forever partying off this season

 

[FTBS]

I'd say Green being suspended for a closeout game at home, Bogut's injury and Igguodala tweaking his back is a comparable situation.

Regardless, you generally need everything to win a championship and any small thing that breaks against you a great team will often take advantage of. That's what the Cavs did and rightfully so.



You know what I meant by that damnshow. You're making a big deal out of essentially nothing. There's a difference between not being in position to win the championship at all and actually getting there but falling short by a slim margin. I'm not one of those people who considers a finals appearance lesser than getting knocked out of the 2nd round just because they didn't win the championship.

Cavs have not put together the body of work the Warriors have. They have a legitimate claim for being one of the GOAT offenses in NBA history because of what they've done in the totality of a season on top of playing elite defense. They are spearheading a league going in the direction of volume 3PT shooting, spacing the floor and having great small ball lineups. In the same way your KG Celtics are an all time great squad despite having just one championship but having the reputation of being one of the GOAT defenses, so do the Warriors (even more so if you value RS, which you should).

Something I think you and some others are missing is that it's not just about the '16 season for the Warriors. It's this year and last combined - both were historic seasons. They've objectively had an all-time stretch of basketball in this span. That matters

The '95 Rockets being considered an all time great team is new to me (more often stated that Hakeem's run in back to back seasons was that), but how is that similar to Cleveland who were the odds on favorite to win the championship before the season started. It's not like the Cavs were some monster underdog before the year began or anything, they were a trendy pick to get back here and win it all. It was the Warriors efforts in the RS and the Cavs starting slow with Irving having to work himself back from injury that got people to change their minds back.

It's Green's fault he got suspended. That was purely self-inflicted. Warriors had their big 3 in tact for games 6 and 7 and they shyt the bed both games (save Draymond in game 7). All of a sudden basketball is about the whole roster . No it's top heavy and it's all about your top guys. If the top guys play like top guys they win easy.

Warriors body of work is one chip. Suns did all that other shyt 10 years ago minus the defense part. But they won no chips so they aren't even in consideration for ATG status. All time greatness is about chips, not great regular seasons.

 

[LinusCaldwell]

@Gil Scott-Heroin the people want you on the show breh

 

[Consumed]

It's Green's fault he got suspended. That was purely self-inflicted. Warriors had their big 3 in tact for games 6 and 7 and they shyt the bed both games (save Draymond in game 7). All of a sudden basketball is about the whole roster . No it's top heavy and it's all about your top guys. If the top guys play like top guys they win easy.

Warriors body of work is one chip. Suns did all that other shyt 10 years ago minus the defense part. But they won no chips so they aren't even in consideration for ATG status. All time greatness is about chips, not great regular seasons.

Sure, Green did play a major role in that suspension. It is still a break for the Cavs because of his importance to the team and that it was on the road.

Warriors body of work is a championship, 171 wins and arguably the best offensive stretch this league has ever seen. To compare them to the MDA Suns is to ignore what great defense looks like. The reason they're in position to break records and win titles is because of their elite play on both ends of the floor.

I keep saying this but it gets ignored - KG's Celtics are an all time great squad. They have one title, but had what is arguably the best defense this game has ever seen and that matters. If you can boast of something about your team's abilities in a historical vein over a stretch of time on top of winning a title and prove to be among the very best of your era, you should be in the conversation. I'd like to see the Cavs produce another year like this one to see if they can do that as well.

 

[#1 pick]

I voted the Warriors. That regular season elite

 

[FTBS]

Sure, Green did play a major role in that suspension. It is still a break for the Cavs because of his importance to the team and that it was on the road.

Warriors body of work is a championship, 171 wins and arguably the best offensive stretch this league has ever seen. To compare them to the MDA Suns is to ignore what great defense looks like. It's not even comparable, the reason they're in position to win titles is because of their elite play on both ends of the floor.

It's a break that was completely avoidable and a Warrior was at fault. Thusly it can't be compared to an injury.

I didn't compare them. I just made the point that that stuff you were using to try to boost them was true about those Suns as well (they actually led the charge to volume 3pt shooting and spacing and more uptempo offense in the modern NBA, the Warriors just added defense to it) so thusly it's irrelevant. Their body of work is a championship, none of that other stuff is worth anything without rings . They got one, just like the Sonics in the 70s and Mavericks a few years ago. They certainly have ATG potential but you gotta actually do it.

 

[JameisNewton]

This thread pretty much confirmed what we all suspected: Gil Scott Heroin is a 300 lb virgin