The Legacies Of The Cavs,Warriors And...Gil Scott Herion

[mr. smoke weed]

Warriors are definitely an all time great regular season team. Playoffs....meh.

I've said all along that I don't thing the Warriors are THAT talented....but when curry is on

This cleveland team isn't an all-time great team.

Replace kerr with a sensible coli poster and the warriors win game 7

@malcolmxxx_45

 

[Thegospel]

Post season >>>>>>>>>>>. Regular season

nobody tries during the regular season

Michael Jordan tried though, hence why he's the GOAT while LeBron goes on chill mode.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

They weren't complacent tho, they got shut down for long stretches of the series and Curry was terrible at point. It was a recipe for disaster.

Well clearly you were watching a different series to me (and everyone else). They were the very definition of complacent as soon as they went up 3-1. They didn't get shut down for long stretches during that series, in fact they were given open looks (mostly role players) for long stretches. They had 19 open 3-pt attempts in G5 and only made FOUR of them - that's the type of shyt that was on offer. Barnes went 5-32 over the last three games, on mostly open shots. Their uncontested shot-rate in G6 was even worse from all over the floor. Down the stretch of G7, almost half of their shots missed were open looks. The Cavs weren't doing anything spectacular on defense, the Warriors were just shytting the bed on offense and couldn't do a damn thing to stop LeBron/Kyrie on the other end.

 

[FTBS]

at the regular season suddenly being so important. They got 1 chip, no matter how many regular season wins it is sandwiched between, they still got one chip. That does not an all-time great team make, period. ATG teams don't get pushed to 6 by a team whose second best player is Timofey fukking Mosgov. ATG teams don't blow 3-1 leads with 2 games at home because their 7th most important player got hurt (just throwing a number out there didn't sit and calculate the shyt but they clearly have multiple players that are more important that flat out didn't show up). Now they could go out over the next 5 years and stack a bunch of trophies and they will indeed have earned ATG status or they could become the 2000s Pistons and have a surprise solo chip followed by a bunch of really nice, close but no cigar ass seasons . In short, the jury is still out on their all time great status.

 

[Damnshow]

Nah. There would be popular talking point(s) about how the league is rigged in favor of GS (it's been in rotation for the last two seasons now), that the Warriors are the luckiest team of all time and that the Cavs were the better team when both squad had their full complement of players. Another title, another asterisk.

But that's the natural part of being NBA fan, this was done before plenty times, when Bron won his first in 2012 they said give him the asterisk because of shortened season while ignoring that everybody had to play that same season.

No one was saying a bad word about the warriors in 2013 or 2014, once they got the 1st seed the talks started to happen. It's natural, you become a scary team and the talks start happening.

Another thing is warriors are a young team, winning championship suddenly does not all of a sudden earn everyones respect, thats not how it goes, I know it sounds silly but hey it is what it is, fans wanna see champions having amazing challenging series before crowing them. This team so far had two amazing series, against okc and cavs.

If we are looking at the former champs, when was the last time a championship team had easier run than 2015 warriors, would that be 07 spurs?

 

[ThaGlow]

If based on potential, GSW gotta be an ATG team. If I said Warriors gonna go 70-12 and win a championship next season.... that ain't even a reach.

Personally though, I wouldn't call them an ATG team just yet. 1 ring and a historic regular season. It's a great starting point, way too early though. String together some more deep playoff runs.

Current Cavs team... same as Warriors. Not an ATG team yet either.

I'd say Lebron Heat team is an ATG. They were expected to beat everybody, East or West. Four straight finals and won 2/4 championships.

 

[WEED]

 

[BaldingSoHard]

Warriors wouldn't even have won last year if Kyrie was playing with the way Mosgov was killing the Warriors

Cavs wouldn't even have won this year if Harrison Barnes shot 20% over the last 3 games.

We can play the 'if' game all day, breh.

 

[MJ Truth]

Win/Loss was the same, but the Cavs offense playing at an unprecedented offensive level in the postseason put you far above last years run. Broke all sorts of efficiency records and playing objectively at an all time great level in large part thanks to being more healthy and additions to the roster. Like I said in the first post I do think they'll get there eventually but it's just gonna take some time to see how this group responds to a title defense and how they play the season out next year with Kyrie presumably ready for a full season of work

Warriors probably are in that conversation of GOAT teams not to win in a single season I suppose. Just have to see how they respond in the future and how many more title runs they have to find out where they ultimately will rank, but I'd say they've done enough to be somewhere on that long list and will probably be joined by the Cavs as one of the top teams of this era.



I'd question whether or not they were really fans or maybe they were trying to downplay the importance of one of the best rim protectors in the league + an elite high post passer and screener for a motion offense. Losing a guy like that is pretty important



Pretty much. Nobody really cares to hear it but the Warriors have become by far the most despised team in the league, so any set of circumstances against them don't really matter as much as others who face the same while playing them. It's pure hypocrisy to ignore what factors may have played in their series result but then go back to last year and point out every subtle detail in an attempt to call a championship team a fraud.

Not a fan of what ifs in sports but that was literally the biggest talking point last offseason so I'm sure as hell not conveniently forgetting that or other similar runs when anyone brings up attaching an asterisk to last years title.

Andrew Bogut's impact on the game/Warriors simply isn't comparable to Kyrie's, or even Kevin Love's LAST season, though.

 

[MJ Truth]

OKC for one series is tougher than playing Detroit,Atlanta, and Toronto

No way the Cavs would switch their path with the Warriors

Guaranteed the Cavs would've had a much easier time with that Thunder team than the Warriors did, don't go down 3-1, and then have everyone calling the Thunder garbage/overrated to discredit what LeBron does.

 

[USSInsiders]

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[King Poetic]

Neither team....

Legacies are Lakers and Boston

Followed by

The spurs 20 year run, the bulls decade run

Then u have teams u will never forget the pistons mid 80s to 91 and 2 chips, because of the bad boy mystique

People know Houston 2 titles, but people will say Jordan retired

These 2 teams have years ago to build a legacy, which unfortunately won't happen

 

[Goat poster]

Watch it white man.

Warriors are an all time great team on the merit of winning 73 games alone, whether ya'll like it or not

They only played HEALTHY ELITE competition TWICE in the past two years in the playoffs.

It can't be understated that they went through the playoffs the past 2 years without playing the SPURS, MAVERICKS, or CLIPPERS and they only played the THUNDER ONCE.

Now what happened the only 2 times they played healthy Elite teams???

They went down 3-1 to the Thunder and had to be by KLAY in game 6 or they woulda got sent home.

Then they proceed to LOSE IN THE WORST CHOKE JOB IN HISTORY!!

They are NOT an ALL TIME GREAT TEAM....




*Maybe ATG REGULAR SEASON team

 

[CurrencyChase]

Nobody likes to talk about this, but if the roles were reversed:

Cavs up 3-1 when both teams at basically full-strength
Cavs player suspended in G5
Cavs player injured in G5 and out for the rest of the series
Cavs player injured in G6 and becoming a non-factor
Warriors win G7

it would be the main talking point for the rest of the offseason - about how "rigged" it was in their favor and how "lucky" they were because of said circumstances. I could just see all these dudes saying 'but the Cavs proved to be the better team when both teams were at full-strength - it was only because of that suspension and those injuries why the Warriors came back and won'.

ahhhh something like that happened last season to the Cavs. Love out injured then Kyrie injured in the finals.

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

Guaranteed the Cavs would've had a much easier time with that Thunder team than the Warriors did, don't go down 3-1, and then have everyone calling the Thunder garbage/overrated to discredit what LeBron does.

I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that even if Det and Atl>Por and Houston

Cavs would still rather play those 2 than the Thunder in route to the finals