The Last of Us Part II Spoiler Discussion Thread

[MidniteJay]

I understand that he's super jaded after losing everything but fukk Tommy. My guy really went to Dina and Ellie's home, played with the baby, and then asked Ellie to abandon all that shyt for some revenge in front of Dina.Abby should have blown out his other kneecap.

shyt was brazy as fukk. Knowing the world they live in how you gonna ask a 20 year old broad to cross state lines solo just to avenge your brother?

 

[Carlton Banks]

You have quite literally, missed the entire fukking point to the story, jesus christ.

You start the game as Ellie, the girl who wanted to sacrifice her life for humanity, selfless, wanting meaning to her life and all the death she's experienced. By the time you switch over to Abby, Ellie is damn near completely consumed for her quest for revenge. You start Abby's campaign as someone who was consumed by revenge, achieved revenge but still has PTSD, still has nightmares.

She starts doing shyt that isn't self serving(like revenge) in attempt to redeem what little humanity she believes she has left through helping Yara and Lev, enemies that should not have spared her life. Only after getting those supplies for Yara and going through that adventure with lev, do the nightmares stop and then she comes to find out that while that whole journey was taking place, Ellie has murdered all of her friends. She's once again consumed by revenge, almost achieves it yet again but decides that revenge isn't worth losing Lev, the only one she has left and spares Ellie.

Ellie after killing a pregnant woman, begrudgingly agrees to leave Seattle in order to get Dina home due to her pregnancy. Abby shows up, kills Jessie and disables Tommy, and then gets spared by her.

Ellie on the farm doesn't even want to think about Joel. In her journal, she says she's jealous that Dina can talk about Jesse so much, Dina suggests she try to talk about the good times with Joel, that it might help with her issues. Ellie doesn't even want to try, likens the memories to food poisoning.

At the end, Ellie goes to the boat, seemingly alright with not killing Abby after seeing her destitute state, but sees an image of a dead Joel, which once again triggers her desire for revenge. When she's about to kill Abby, an image of an alive Joel comes to mind. She spares Abby.

The story is not about revenge or forgiveness,or about making you feel bad but wanting to dealing with and moving on from the trauma caused by the cycle of violence.

If Ellie ended up killing Abby, then the story would been a 100% waste of fukking time.

At the very end, Ellie can't even play the guitar properly, her worst fears confirmed, she's alone, Dina has left her, she has no revenge and she has no one to blame but herself. She recalls her very last conversation with Joel. A scene with Joel where she literally states that she wants to forgive Joel from the trauma his lie cause her. She chooses to leave Joel's guitar behind and walks away. She's decided to move the fukk on.


You can not like the story, but the shyt I'm reading online isn't criticism of the story, it's people who can't even comprehend the shyt

It's not even that deep, they hit you over the head with the fukking themes and yall still don't understand

I can't wait for a few months to pass so that the merits/faults of the narrative can actually be coherently discussed.

There was no missed point

I know what they were trying to do but what everyone is saying really is it could've been better. It's funny how damn near everyone agreed when this spoiled that it sucked or could've been better, and now you and all these other contrarions who dapped you are coming out the woodwork to justify the bad writing. Y'all disgust me. So controlled by daps/reps y'all don't got minds of your own. I don't need people to explain to me what I seen with my eyes and ears.

The way Joel died was stupid, the way Abby let Ellie and Tommy live was stupid, the whole Abby angle was stupid, the ending was stupid... There's a lot of stupid shyt going on in the story. I don't care how many "deep in depth" discussions that gets made about it .. in real life if a nikka killed your dad, you just gonna kill all his friends and let him live in the end ? So that now you can make the mistake that he made originally by letting you live??? STUPID. Stop trying to justify mediocre writing. There's many ways they could've wrote this and fixed it.

If Ellie ended up killing Abby, then the story would been a 100% waste of fukking time

The fukk ?!

I and a lot of other players felt like we wasted our time by not killing her. It's literally the only motivating reason we all played. Get this deeper than the surface bullshyt out of here fam... Whether she killed Abby or not Ellie was still going to end up alone by choosing to leave in the first place. If I'm Dina or Tommy, and Ellie leaves and doesn't even get the job done when she had the chance, I'ma be mad AF. Y'all doing the most thinking something was beautiful about this ending. But this is the coli and y'all like to be the opposite of everything in real life.

 

[Carlton Banks]

shyt was brazy as fukk. Knowing the world they live in how you gonna ask a 20 year old broad to cross state lines solo just to avenge your brother?

Cuz Joel would've done it for her (and has) . Tommy lost a niece, his brother, his ability to move around well, his eyesight maybe, probably gonna lose his wife. It's not out of the ordinary to be angry and want revenge. He obviously can't do it himself. The only person that could and should be motivated to do something is Ellie. The fact that Ellie has Abby dead to rights and didn't do nothing should make any logical person mad AF. If I'm Tommy I'm never speaking to Ellie again if she tells me she let her go. Funny how this game tries so hard to empower women and be all "pro feminist" when it just ends up showing us the stupidity/illogicalities of them and why it takes a MAN to do a MAN'S job. Abby and Ellie are both dumb AF and written as emotional idiots.

 

[Carlton Banks]

So this dyke bytch getn creatine 8 year after the world ended

This game looks fun as hell to play

Technically 24 years after the world ended

 

[Carlton Banks]

That shyt was hilarious to me. Joel killed Abby's dad. Tommy and Ellie killed all of her friends. Abby let them live twice. But Tommy's still ready to go to war.

Cuz Abby is an idiot for letting them live in the first place. The writing was stupid. And crazy part of it all is Ellie, Tommy, Joel, Maria, Dina, Jesse, etc don't even know that Joel killed her Dad cuz it's never said to any of them. All they know is "Joel had enemies," "Joel killed the fireflies" .. Abby never tells them why she specifically tortures Joel...

I can go on and on about a lot of the stupidity of it

 

[Carlton Banks]

Just to say one more time, y'all nikkas so full of shyt. The game leaked and y'all were so against it and were even saying y'all would skip out on it. Now that it dropped and all these paid corporate critics giving it 10/10 across the boards and the creators are giving "deep dives" about the writing now it's "hmmm guess its not so bad, people were just being emotional "

Can't think for yourselves... just fukking stupid

 

[Hyperion]

Breh am I really rolling with a chick who looks like she’s 9 months pregnant

The irony of it all is... She didn't even get clapped in the field, she got clapped in the one location she was supposed to be safe in. The higher ups were clearly on some shyt though, because someone should've said no to Mel going out and fighting against crazy religious nikkas in leather ponchos.

That shyt was hilarious to me. Joel killed Abby's dad. Tommy and Ellie killed all of her friends. Abby let them live twice. But Tommy's still ready to go to war.

I understand that Tommy probably feels the most upset over what happened to Joel considering that's his actual brother, but he was wrong for that. As much as someone could say that Dina was selfish for not wanting Ellie to leave, she truly had love for Ellie and wanted to make sure she was safe. But you could see the fear and sadness in Ellie's face when Tommy brought all of that up to her again.

Abby vs. Ellie and Tommy is like Broly vs. Goku and Vegeta -- bodied repeatedly, but our heroes eventually get the W. (Or, well... At least Ellie could've but chose not to at the very last second. ) Tommy especially, because just like Vegeta, he'll get his ass whooped repeatedly and still want to talk that shyt. Man lost an eye and the full usage of one leg, he should be the one chilling peacefully on a farm.

 

[TobiOT]

 

[MidniteJay]

Cuz Joel would've done it for her (and has) . Tommy lost a niece, his brother, his ability to move around well, his eyesight maybe, probably gonna lose his wife. It's not out of the ordinary to be angry and want revenge. He obviously can't do it himself. The only person that could and should be motivated to do something is Ellie. The fact that Ellie has Abby dead to rights and didn't do nothing should make any logical person mad AF. If I'm Tommy I'm never speaking to Ellie again if she tells me she let her go. Funny how this game tries so hard to empower women and be all "pro feminist" when it just ends up showing us the stupidity/illogicalities of them and why it takes a MAN to do a MAN'S job. Abby and Ellie are both dumb AF and written as emotional idiots.

I don't agree, after all that mess and taking the L I would have just said fukk it and become a family man. What Dina and Ellie had at the farm was greater than the need for vengeance.

 

[HiiiPower]

Just to say one more time, y'all nikkas so of shyt. The game leaked and y'all were so against it and were even saying y'all would skip out on it. Now that it dropped and all these paid corporate critics giving it 10/10 across the boards and the creators are giving "deep dives" about the writing now it's "hmmm guess its not so bad, people were just being emotional "

Can't think for yourselves... just fukking stupid

Because now they have actually played it and they actually really enjoyed playing it? And assuming reviews were payed off because of that is dumb

I could quite easily just say “all of y’all who don’t like it are basing your opinion off some out of context plot points and you don’t get it, you can’t think for yourselves” and it would sound just as stupid

a lot of people don’t like this story, a lot of people love it

 

[HiiiPower]

Cuz Abby is an idiot for letting them live in the first place. The writing was stupid. And crazy part of it all is Ellie, Tommy, Joel, Maria, Dina, Jesse, etc don't even know that Joel killed her Dad cuz it's never said to any of them. All they know is "Joel had enemies," "Joel killed the fireflies" .. Abby never tells them why she specifically tortures Joel...

I can go on and on about a lot of the stupidity of it

Also this is incorrect, Nora told Ellie after she made her talk in the hospital, you just don’t see it because I’m guessing they wanted the player to find out through Abbys flashback

 

[TobiOT]

Can we just say some folks don't like the story while some do and just leave as an agree to disagree without belittling one another?

Seems like a situation if they included an multiplayer, it wouldn't have received this much backlash as it did since folks ain't trashing the game mechanics (if they are then there's no hope for them )

I don't like how the story turned out but the gameplay wants me to low-key cop, I'll wait a few months before I do and Ebay will have a lot more pre-owned copies waiting for me

 

[Kiyoshi-Dono]

muthafukkas really defending this shyt
The same goofies calling this a classic..
I saw in the Watch Dogs 2 thread
And Days Gone thread..
shytting on both..
But didn’t play either
Now it comes to this shyt..
And it’s

you just a homophobe/incel
You’re not a deep thinker
I always knew gamers weren’t shyt..
But got damn
With takes like this..
Companies are going to keep pulling shyt like this
And watching that interview with that fakkit Neil
Troy Baker is officially a fakkit in my eyes
And Ashley..
The amount of juelzing and shots at fans
I really hope Corey Balrog kills Kratos..
On some fukk shyt in the next game..
Hopefully the first hour..
Can’t wait to see you clowns switch up

 

[HiiiPower]

muthafukkas really defending this shyt
The same goofies calling this a classic..
I saw in the Watch Dogs 2 thread
And Days Gone thread..
shytting on both..
But didn’t play either
Now it comes to this shyt..
And it’s

you just a homophobe/incel
You’re not a deep thinker
I always knew gamers weren’t shyt..
But got damn
With takes like this..
Companies are going to keep pulling shyt like this
And watching that interview with that fakkit Neil
Troy Baker is officially a fakkit in my eyes
And Ashley..
The amount of juelzing and shots at fans
I really hope Corey Balrog kills Kratos..
On some fukk shyt in the next game..
Hopefully the first hour..
Can’t wait to see you clowns switch up

You played it?

 

[Wiles]

He worked for them and this proof?

This is like a artist giving himself a grammy