The Last of Us Part II Spoiler Discussion Thread
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The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
That a persona fan never mind that it deals with police abusing authority and corrupt politicians
The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
Selective outrage
Joel death and the reaction to it reminds me why I hate how Marvel has ruined media.
I think I know what you mean, but care to elaborate anyway?
I think I mentioned this earlier but people just keep viewing this franchise as some bizarre clear cut character motive story of good vs evil. They speak on Joel as if he’s a hero just because of pt 1. Yes I understand you play as him in the first. But ppl are like Joel deserved better like he should have went out like Iron man in endgame or John Marston in RDR. And they try to bolster that like oh he wasn’t so trusting in pt 1. Like he’s not older and hasnt been part of a peaceful community for 6 years. It’s just a shallow way of thinking. And because Druckmann doesn’t have a cliched way of storytelling to placate expectations people are upset.
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Yeah, this is mainly what I thought you meant, people are mad Joel didn’t have this big meaningful heartfelt speech or heroic ending moment or important final line that was a big callback. It’s a lawless cut throat world and he ran into the killers that wanted him dead, no time for an ending monologue when you’re busy getting the breaks beat off you, and there Damn sure aren’t any hero’s either
also I gotta point out to the people who think he should of died because he was saving/protecting Ellie from something..he did, It was just 4 years later
no hate on marvel either I love the MCU and what they do
I just think part 1 attracted many dude bros , who played an epic game of a guy losing his daughter and escorting a girl from point A to point B while doing some awesome stuff and killing many people along the way. Part 1 didn't really explore ellie being a lesbian/bi or any adult theme like that. The only part that cause a small commotion was the ending, a lot of people would have liked a simpler ending such as ellie being used for the cure without dying.
This video is a Perfect example of what I’m saying. That guy is a c00n incel btw
And also the fact is video games have so long ingrained to people that you are suppose to win. Doesn’t matter the genre. So the fact that this game’s ending leaves you exhausted, empty, and slightly confused instead of the typical gratification is causing fury. Good for ND to challenge people’s norms of how storytelling should go.
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That’s what I think basically all this comes down too. People wanted a basic cookie cutter ass story.
If the story was about Tommy getting killed (because we like Tommy, but we don’t love Tommy like Joel), from something he did in his past as a Firefly, and Joel goes on another adventure with Ellie across the US to avenge Tommy’s death. And along the way, Ellie falls in love with a young man, Joel gets kidnapped by some basic antagonist that’s easy to make people hate him, and Ellie and her love interest go save Joel and kill the antagonist. Then Ellie and her boyfriend have a daughter and name her Sarah. People would love that basic ass shyt and it would be no controversy. But ND wanted something a little more layered and complex, and are now getting shytted on for it.
It’s like the ending of “No Country For Old Men”. The gratifying ending would be Llewelyn having one big showdown with Chigurh, killing him, taking off with the money, and living happily ever after with Carla Jean. But Llewelyn gets killed, Chigurh kills Carla Jean, takes off, and the Sheriff retires. It’s more powerful because, to understand the world he lives in. The morals and violence the sheriff is confronted with make little sense to him, and his eventual retirement amounts to the character choosing to live what time remains to him in peace.
Instead of Ellie choosing that peace she had with Dina and JJ at the farm, she could not let that need for revenge go, thus loosing Dina, JJ, and the peace she had at the farm to chase that revenge. Only to finally get to the doorstep of what she thinks she wanted, but understand that would most likely continue the circle of violence, once Lev eventually grows up and starts to get revenge on Ellie. So she decided to end it. Only she already lost everything, even her fingers to play guitar that she loved so much. I understand why it’s polarizing, but it was much more interesting that way for me.
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It wouldnt surprise me if some dudes would be pissed off if Ellie got a man lol on some "Look at ellie hooking up with a Brad." type of shyt.
Anyways , i really like the part where you fight againts Ellie as Abby in the theater ....got me thinking the whole time that i was on a multiplayer match againts a very good player lol.
Double post but oh well.
Yeah , Both Ellie and Abby lost a lot along the way. The guitar was like the last connection ellie had with Joel , learning how to play it and all but due to her on-going revenge..she ends up losing her fingers so now cant play it as well.
Abby on the other hand , loses her muscular form which i think that she got from training in preparation to kill Joel , she also loses her braided hair which all connected her to her father. I think the story would have suffered, at least for me,
if Ellie would have gotten her revenge and drowned Abby.
