The Last of Us Part II Spoiler Discussion Thread
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her father was gonna kill Ellie when Joel came into the operating room her father could’ve easily backed up
and let him take Ellie away
fukk Abby ... da bytch doesn’t deserve any sympathy 
Are there any black characters in this game?
I got the impression the studio did like white people often do and felt like having gays is enough diversity and tried to keep everyone as pale as possible.
I got the impression the studio did like white people often do and felt like having gays is enough diversity and tried to keep everyone as pale as possible.
They were trying to save humanity. Joel put one life over millions against most of humanities wishes (Ellie included). I don't disagree with it but you're only looking at it from their point of view.
when Joel came into the operating room her father could’ve easily backed up
The decision weighed on the doctor too, it's not like he just wanted to kill her. He had to to save humanity. Remove your attachments to the characters and look at it objectively.
Abby is a young girl (who clearly isn't hardened like she'll later become) who's dad is a doctor about to save humanity, and someone runs in and kills him and you find him dead. From her perspective revenge is justified. Even if her dad was an unbridled piece of shyt with no good intentions(which he's not he's actually trying to save the human race) it would be normal human behavior to want to seek revenge for someone murdering your dad. At the same time from Ellie's perspective, revenge is justified.
Both their 'dads' were murdered and both of them sought retribution for it. What did Abby do that Ellie hasn't done equally as bad?
Joel had a past of some pretty bad acts he's committed to catch up to him as well, you could even argue he had it coming. If anything Abby's dad had the most noble cause of any character in the fictional universe and other than that we don't know of him being anything but a good person. Making Abby's initial gripe potentially more morally valid than Ellies.
Do I like Abby more than Ellie? No
Would I have saved Ellie in the first game as Joel? Yes
Doesn't mean the motivations of each side don't make sense to me or seem equally justified from each point of view.
That seemed to be the whole point of the game, is everyone in this universe is doing fukked up shyt for justifiable reasons, that all only make sense from their perspective.
You still didn’t address my original point .... Abby’s father the doctor a.k.a. the surgeon could have easily back the way and allow Joel to take Ellie out of the operating room he was the one that forced Joel to kill him ; that’s on him .... again, if he let Joel go - he would still be alive today
and from what I remember from the original story.... it was no proof that operating on Ellie brain and taking whatever DNA from her was going to be the cure all of humanity according to Marlene - there have been several people prior that was immune to the virus just like Ellie and their DNA didn’t result into a cure
personally speaking I wasn’t a huge fan of Ellie anyway but if I was Joel I probably would’ve did the same thing I couldn’t see myself being attached to a young girl that could have been my daughter and take her to that journey across the country just to give her up for something that wasn't 100%
Like most of the motivations for characters in this world the morality is grey. Most decisions have a good argument either way.
I don't think Joel was wrong, but the doctor believed he had to do this for good reasons. My only point is if the doctor was your dad are you gonna go "well shoulda let Joel take her" or are you going to be boiling with rage over the murder of your dad? Abby's emotions and motivations make perfect sense.
The point of the plot is the villain is just whoever your opposition is. Both sides are essentially doing the same types of shyt for the same types of reasons, so who is really the evil here? It's all circumstance and perspective.
Obviously we have an attachment to Ellie and Joel so we're rooting for Abbys downfall, I couldn't wait to kill her. But by the end I understood why Ellie didn't. I think Ellie realized they are both the same.
This game reminds me of the MGS2 outrage but I loved that game too.
What did I say that wasn’t true?
One of the few black people in the game there’s a mini game where you have to manually bash their face in
The axe murderer
For I am death and I ride on a pale horse
Lmfao
I simply said she wasn’t a treh and white people emotion porn was the same thing the first one was based on.I dont know why u think it's funny, you were defending this trash.
This is just a continuation of what the first one was. Why y’all acting all disappointed cause it got a buff ass chick in it?