The Last of Us Part II Spoiler Discussion Thread
- Thread starter HiiiPower
- Start date
Humble (Not) Mike Tyson
All Star
Your being disingenuous.
The games couldn't be anymore different--story-wise.
I don't know how you compare Joel and Arthur's deaths. Please, the floor is yours, brother.
Game 1: Makes you love C1 and C2
Game 2: Kills C1 (you control them for a bit) and constantly has C2 job out to C3...you play as C3 for have the game express to you why that wasn't a big deal.
I don't see that formula working in any other franchise. Congratulations to ND.
But, don't treat people like this story is so good that'll you'd have to be a bigot, sexist pig not to love it.
That's not how RD1 and 2 work.
Last edited:
Writing was objectively trash. If nikkas can’t see that, I don’t know why you would even post. Gameplay was fine. The project lacked any soul unlike the original. Not even interested in playing through again to platinum. Was straight.
"Objectively trash" is not valid criticism G(This is the best deep dive into the writing I've seen so far)
Child_Of_God
Love is a long road.
As much as I love this game and how much it has incels mad.....nikkas do be going out sad in this series.
Sam and Henry
Isaac
Naughty Dog better have a black protag in their next game
Imagine if Abby was black, internet would have been furious
I’m glad that I ain’t the only who noticed that Naughty Dog has a strange tendency of killing off prominent Black characters in the series.
Last edited:
Abby‘s father did not have the right to take Ellie life and as Joel stepped into the operating room Abby father should’ve just backed off let Joel take Ellie and kept it fukking move-ing
he grabbed a shank put it in Joel face and the rest is history
Joel did not kill Abby‘s father
Abby‘s father killed himself
That's the point of the story though - Abby's father is not absolved of wrongdoing, nor is Joel, Abby, or Ellie. Characters make difficult decisions and live with them, then karma catches up. One selfish act begets another. The ending is meant to be Ellie and Abby breaking that cycle.
I’m glad that I ain’t the only who noticed that Naughty Dog has a strange tendency of killing off prominent Black characters in the series.
David Fincher movies and Naughty Dog games are both on their
but get passes because of the consistency in quality
Your being disingenuous.
The games couldn't be anymore different--story-wise.
I don't know how you compare Joel and Arthur's deaths. Please, the floor is yours, brother.
Game 1: Makes you love C1 and C2
Game 2: Kills C1 (you control them for a bit) and constantly has C2 job out to C3...you play as C3 for have the game express to you why that wasn't a big deal.
Congratulations to ND.
But, don't treat people like this story is so good that'll you'd have to be a bigot, sexist pig not to love it.
That's not how RD1 and 2 work.
I wasn’t comparing their story’s or referring to Joel/arthur, I was referring to side characters that get headshotted quickly with no warning like Jesse, manny or Sean
Last edited:
Just beat it and can finally read through this thread 
it’s been a long journey.
I loved this game I have no real complaints. I will say going from the crazy cinema scene to going back to day 1 as Abby was
at first but she was fun to play with.
Not even buying the
they selling about part 3. Find a way to get Ellie and Abby on the same squad.
it’s been a long journey.I loved this game I have no real complaints. I will say going from the crazy cinema scene to going back to day 1 as Abby was
at first but she was fun to play with.Not even buying the
they selling about part 3. Find a way to get Ellie and Abby on the same squad.
Last edited:
Angry Joe missed the point, a lot
one of his criticisms is that he thinks it’s unfair Abby has better weapons than Ellie....despite currently living and being raised in a militia, and its manipulation that Ellie has to kill dogs but Abby doesn’t, despite Ellie not owning a dog where the WLVS do, or that Ellie didn’t pick up the PS vita despite Ellie usually liking that kind of shyt as if she isn’t infiltrating an enemy base
one of his criticisms is that he thinks it’s unfair Abby has better weapons than Ellie....despite currently living and being raised in a militia, and its manipulation that Ellie has to kill dogs but Abby doesn’t, despite Ellie not owning a dog where the WLVS do, or that Ellie didn’t pick up the PS vita despite Ellie usually liking that kind of shyt as if she isn’t infiltrating an enemy base
Last edited:
Youhadasparkwhenustarted
Superstar
I don't get the complaints about the writing, it's amazing and better than 99% of the bullshyt you can find in gaming. I think the story is immersive, engaging, and told very well ( Good storytelling is still a big issue in gaming imo, even when the story has potential, it feels like developers still have a hard time of marrying game play with story, so pacing suffers or the plot is presented in a convoluted way ).The pacing is fantastic( it feels like the story and gameplay hits its peaks and valleys at just the right times, and it kept things from feeling monotonous )and Seattle is really fleshed out. Side quests and exploration always feels worth it because you either find something that develops the characters, or develops the in-game world in a meaningful way; It's in-game world building done right, and the developers that still make those shytty in-game quests where you have to kill 5 rats for a villager you just met should take notes. Also, I like how the story sets its self up for larger plot points or for other segments of the game, like l love how all the conflict in Seattle serves as a backdrop for Ellie's campaign, and then you're right in the thick of all that conflict once you start to play with Abby; It engaged me with her story right away, and gave me a reason to care for her campaign while the story develops Abby and the other characters, it's brilliant imo.
I think all the character's are great too, even if they aren't all likable, they're interesting and developed beyond common tropes at least. I think a lot of people are too hung up on Joel dying. I know it sucks to see a character you like die in such a gruesome way, but he had it coming tbh. It's starts Abby off from a position of un-likability, but i feel like as long as you can understand and empathize with a character's motives, you don't have to necessarily like that character to enjoy their story( I did grow to like Abby though, and Lev is my favorite in-game character). To keep it real I like that story doesn't make concessions for the characters and makes storytelling the priority. I beat this game in 4 days, and I can't remember the last game that compelled me to binge so much. Last of Us 2 is a 10/10 game for me, and I'm thinking about playing it again already.
I think all the character's are great too, even if they aren't all likable, they're interesting and developed beyond common tropes at least. I think a lot of people are too hung up on Joel dying. I know it sucks to see a character you like die in such a gruesome way, but he had it coming tbh. It's starts Abby off from a position of un-likability, but i feel like as long as you can understand and empathize with a character's motives, you don't have to necessarily like that character to enjoy their story( I did grow to like Abby though, and Lev is my favorite in-game character). To keep it real I like that story doesn't make concessions for the characters and makes storytelling the priority. I beat this game in 4 days, and I can't remember the last game that compelled me to binge so much. Last of Us 2 is a 10/10 game for me, and I'm thinking about playing it again already.
OnFleekTing
Superstar
Among AAA titles released in the last 3 years this is probably on the mid to bottom tier in terms of story. Comparing this to the Witcher 3 or RDR2 and saying this belongs on gaming story mount rushmore is a joke
The message of the game is dumb and can't even jive with the gameplay
If you want to make someone feel bad about killing and revenge you need to at least include a pacifism option in playthrough even Kojima got this message off in MGS without it looking stupid.
Ellie killed so many people just to kill Abby and then she stops because one more person would be continuing the cycle of revenge like all the dogs and human beings she killed beforehand don't have people who cared about them.
Didn't even do a good job of demonizing Joel since people are still all in over hating Abby even at the finale. At least include a flashback of Joel during his time as a ambusher or something but no all they got is Joel killing some stupid ass surgeon who pulled a knife on him so he could kill a young girl for a "chance" at a vaccine
Then they ruin Ellie for the purposes of the plot to progress. Sony should definitely be most mad about this
This franchise got ruined in 2 games
Make Tommy's character inconsistent af one minute he's like nah fukk revenge and then a couple of years later he's like wtf we gotta kill this girl. No reasoning needed apparently
Its too much and its stuff like that along with all the boring characters peppered throughout the story that just make this story so much worse than the first games.
Gameplay is immaculate but the story is severely lacking
The message of the game is dumb and can't even jive with the gameplay
If you want to make someone feel bad about killing and revenge you need to at least include a pacifism option in playthrough even Kojima got this message off in MGS without it looking stupid.
Ellie killed so many people just to kill Abby and then she stops because one more person would be continuing the cycle of revenge like all the dogs and human beings she killed beforehand don't have people who cared about them.
Didn't even do a good job of demonizing Joel since people are still all in over hating Abby even at the finale. At least include a flashback of Joel during his time as a ambusher or something but no all they got is Joel killing some stupid ass surgeon who pulled a knife on him so he could kill a young girl for a "chance" at a vaccine
Then they ruin Ellie for the purposes of the plot to progress. Sony should definitely be most mad about this
This franchise got ruined in 2 games
Make Tommy's character inconsistent af one minute he's like nah fukk revenge and then a couple of years later he's like wtf we gotta kill this girl. No reasoning needed apparently
Its too much and its stuff like that along with all the boring characters peppered throughout the story that just make this story so much worse than the first games.
Gameplay is immaculate but the story is severely lacking
Uchiha God
Veteran
I tried to watch that Angry Joe review and had to press the eject button early on when he tried that comedy segment questioning Tommy’s motivations. Talking about how initially he was reluctant to go to Seattle and engage the WLF and how he switches in the end and asks Ellie to go after Abby as if there’s an inconsistency in writing or something.
I legit can’t believe there are this many adults that are so illiterate. Emotionally and otherwise.
When Tommy first pulls up to Ellie’s house and is voicing his concerns about going after the WLF, he’s partially speaking for his wife (Maria), who, understandably, didn’t want him to go and get himself killed nor did she want to leave Jackson weaker/unprotected by sending people in what could be a suicide mission. Ellie even days “is this you talking or her?” Also, Tommy knows Joel didn’t exactly live an exemplary life, furthermore, Tommy served with the fireflies, he has training and wanted to do things with precision/more information. But as that conversation progresses it becomes clear that nothing will stop Ellie, so he sets out by himself (taking one of the horses that Ellie and Dina were planning on using) hoping that he can finish things before Ellie goes and gets herself killed or at least that’ll hinder Ellie’s departure enough to buy himself time to get it done.
The story moves on and we get to the point where Jessie gets killed in front, and you could even argue because of him (same case with Joel’s death), and he takes a bullet to the back of the head which leaves him disfigured and handicapped.
Fast forward even more, this is a guy who’s now a shell of his former self, who lost his brother, his friend/apprentice in Jessie (since the patrol kids looked up to Joel and Tommy) and was arguably at fault for both of their deaths, and has now lost his wife (his marriage with Maria crumbled in the aftermath of what he did/happened to him, and they’re now separated). At the core of all this is Abby. Is it really far fetched that at this point his hatred for her has been festering every thinking minute and breath he has? That he wants nothing more than to see her dead? This is amplified by him not being physically capable of doing it himself. Of course he’d want to use all means available to him to see it happening, even if it includes someone he’s been protective of, Ellie. Risking your bonds/relationships and putting people you love in danger in pursuit of selfish wants is one of the themes in this game. All this accentuated by Ellie being one of the catalysts for Tommy to go engage the WLF and the fact that she promised him that she was going to body Abby, after Jessie got offed and he got popped.
Where’s the inconsistency?
I’m yet to see a compelling argument against the writing of this game. People not liking the story is cool because that’s subjective, but every time all they do is scream “bad writing” and are never able to substantiate it. Then they resort to poor attempts at humor or disingenuous paragraphs full of elementary holes. Or they just keep typing “bad writing” over and over as if it will make it true.
I legit can’t believe there are this many adults that are so illiterate. Emotionally and otherwise.
When Tommy first pulls up to Ellie’s house and is voicing his concerns about going after the WLF, he’s partially speaking for his wife (Maria), who, understandably, didn’t want him to go and get himself killed nor did she want to leave Jackson weaker/unprotected by sending people in what could be a suicide mission. Ellie even days “is this you talking or her?” Also, Tommy knows Joel didn’t exactly live an exemplary life, furthermore, Tommy served with the fireflies, he has training and wanted to do things with precision/more information. But as that conversation progresses it becomes clear that nothing will stop Ellie, so he sets out by himself (taking one of the horses that Ellie and Dina were planning on using) hoping that he can finish things before Ellie goes and gets herself killed or at least that’ll hinder Ellie’s departure enough to buy himself time to get it done.
The story moves on and we get to the point where Jessie gets killed in front, and you could even argue because of him (same case with Joel’s death), and he takes a bullet to the back of the head which leaves him disfigured and handicapped.
Fast forward even more, this is a guy who’s now a shell of his former self, who lost his brother, his friend/apprentice in Jessie (since the patrol kids looked up to Joel and Tommy) and was arguably at fault for both of their deaths, and has now lost his wife (his marriage with Maria crumbled in the aftermath of what he did/happened to him, and they’re now separated). At the core of all this is Abby. Is it really far fetched that at this point his hatred for her has been festering every thinking minute and breath he has? That he wants nothing more than to see her dead? This is amplified by him not being physically capable of doing it himself. Of course he’d want to use all means available to him to see it happening, even if it includes someone he’s been protective of, Ellie. Risking your bonds/relationships and putting people you love in danger in pursuit of selfish wants is one of the themes in this game. All this accentuated by Ellie being one of the catalysts for Tommy to go engage the WLF and the fact that she promised him that she was going to body Abby, after Jessie got offed and he got popped.
Where’s the inconsistency?
I’m yet to see a compelling argument against the writing of this game. People not liking the story is cool because that’s subjective, but every time all they do is scream “bad writing” and are never able to substantiate it. Then they resort to poor attempts at humor or disingenuous paragraphs full of elementary holes. Or they just keep typing “bad writing” over and over as if it will make it true.
Uchiha God
Veteran
Lol I literally just deconstructed the “Tommy is inconsistent” trope with that long ass post and the post above it regurgitates that same dumb shyt.
Also, a lot of the combat encounters in this game can be stealthed, much like in Metal Gear Solid, some of them you’ll have to kill, much like in Metal Gear Solid, and in a considerable number of them you’re acting in self-defense, much like in Metal Gear Solid.
Also, a lot of the combat encounters in this game can be stealthed, much like in Metal Gear Solid, some of them you’ll have to kill, much like in Metal Gear Solid, and in a considerable number of them you’re acting in self-defense, much like in Metal Gear Solid.
Pure Water
Superstar
Now all you b*stards know how I felt when people kept shytting on Mass Effect Andromeda because it didn’t meet their wet dream of a game they thought it was going to be.
The Fukin Prophecy
RIP Champ
Angry Jose review was on point and bodied this game...
Seems like all the unbias reviewers agree, the story and writing of this game is shyt...
Seems like all the unbias reviewers agree, the story and writing of this game is shyt...