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[shonuff]

Side note but Ellie in the show is partly responsible for Henry's death.

She knew his lil bro was immune and didn't reveal it to him when they could have at least shared his last moments together and have Joel terminate him at the end. That was an insane mistake

Uhh she's a kid

She did what kids do - she thought by rubbing her blood on his injury that it help him - that already lets you know even she doesn't understand what it means to be immune

 

[shonuff]

Too bad they killed off Kathleen. Imagine her and her people tracking Joel and Ellie all the way to the hospital and having a standoff with everybody. Her tusslin' with Marlene for alpha female status would've made for amazing television.

She didn't care about Joel she was only interested in killing Henry - once Henry was dead shed have gone back to KC to kill off anyone else that she could kill that she thought or she was told was a collaborator

 

[Json]

The fact Joel tried to kill himself adds context to the Henry and Sam scene.

Even though Henry was pointing gun at him he tried to get the gun from Henry cause he knew where this was going.

 

[King Static X]

Ellie was severely disadvantaged too-

she was fukking unconscious.....

and sam being 8 and ellie being 14 are the SAME thing - they are kids - they even show you how she gets down easily on his level - she still even does kid things like run off when she is excited ..... at the end of the day shes a child .

Ellie being unconscious is not the same as Sam being deaf. Also, yes, Ellie & Sam are children but they are still at different stages of maturity. In no world (real or fake) would a 14 year old be viewed as the same as an 8 year old. In the real world (since you seem to be basing your logic on this), a 14 year old can be employed - an 8 year old can't.

again he is a guy that does bad guy things - just like Henry did bad guy things - Henry didnt just get to betray the leader by doing that ONE betrayal - he had to betray a LOT of people and cause their deaths to eventually get next to the leader to betray him cause his torturous death and save his brother

so again maybe there are no good guys ( im certainly not saying he is a Good Guy ) - but you cant say Joel in his act against the FF and saving Elllie makes him a "bad" guy.

he did exactly what he should have done.

Joel did what Joel wanted to do. Killing (almost) all of the people in the hospital is NOT what Ellie would have wanted, so it's definitely not what he should have done.

 

[King Static X]

Uhh she's a kid

She did what kids do - she thought by rubbing her blood on his injury that it help him - that already lets you know even she doesn't understand what it means to be immune

Ellie views her purpose to be "savior of the world". She doesn't fully understand her immunity but she views it as a superpower.

She feels as though it's her duty to help others (from being infected).

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

Joel is the only shooter I respect :

 

[shonuff]

Ellie being unconscious is not the same as Sam being deaf. Also, yes, Ellie & Sam are children but they are still at different stages of maturity. In no world (real or fake) would a 14 year old be viewed as the same as an 8 year old. In the real world (since you seem to be basing your logic on this), a 14 year old can be employed - an 8 year old can't.


Joel did what Joel wanted to do. Killing (almost) all of the people in the hospital is NOT what Ellie would have wanted, so it's definitely not what he should have done.

a 14 year can know about sex and fukking whereas a 8year old may not know anything - but despite that difference in maturity BOTH are considered children and they can't give consent. So a 14 year old with a savior complex definitely can't agree knowingly about them.giving up their life for an experimental surgery

Ellie views her purpose to be "savior of the world". She doesn't fully understand her immunity but she views it as a superpower.

She feels as though it's her duty to help others (from being infected).

Ok and she thinks that way because she's a CHILD - you can see her immaturity even in dealing with David

As for Joel killing everyone at the hospital he killed the guys that were trying to kill him and keep him from getting to Ellie - if you were a soldier no.matter how wounded you are you are still.a threat especially in this world- Joel is the apex predator in the rules of killing. And thenworld.operates on those rules .

he killed the doctor becuase the doctor pretty much let him know he was gonna fight him and Joel taught him that rule about bringing a knife ( or scalpel) to a gun fight

Marlene had to die and yeh ellie probably wouldn't have wanted Marlene to be killed but as Joel said - they wouldn't stop looking for ellie if he let her live and that would jeapordize even the people in Jackson where he knew he would take her.

Noone in the Fireflies or in Fedra knows about Jackson and ellie can grow up there ( which she does which makes the events in TLOU2 stupid )

Spoiler: if you havnt played TLOU2 or you're waiting on next season DONT CLICK THIS

the argument that Ellie would have wanted to be killed to be the cure is kinda undone in the second game where she is an adult and she could have gone out to find the Fireflies on her own but she stayed and lived her life which makes her getting mad at Joel about his lie so ridiculous- yes I understand she's mad that he made a choice for her but the game sort of ignores that if she's mad at Joel about taking away her choice she should be equally as mangy at Marlene and the FF who also took her choice

In the game as an adult she's alive and could choose to be a guinea pig but she remains in Jackson to start a family so she obviously didn't feel that she was some one Iof a kind savior that should sacrifice herself which again shows that her assessment that she was a savior is one borne out of childishness and naivete

 

[King Static X]

But a 14 year can know about sex whereas a 8year old may not know anything - but BOTH are considered children and they can't give consent

Irrelevant. This isn't about sex and this is a post-apocalptic world.

Ok and she thinks that way because she's a CHILD

No. She thinks that way because that's her personality and she has survivor's guilt (which anyone of any age can have)

As for Joel killing everyone at the hospital he killed the gugs that were trying to kill him and keep him from getting to Ellie - he killed the doctor becuase the doctor pretty much let him know he was gonna fight him and Joel taught him that rule about bringing a knife ( or scalpel) to a gun fight

Marlene had to die and yeh ellie probably wouldn't have wanted Marlene to be killed but as Joel.said - they wouldn't stop looking for ellie if he let her live and that would jeapordize even the people in Jackson where he knew he would take her

Noone in the Fireflies or in Fedra knows about Jackson and ellie can grow up there ( which she does which makes the events in TLOU2 stupid )

Spoiler: if you havnt played TLOU2 or you're waiting on next season DONT CLICK THIS

the argument that Ellie would have wanted to be killed to be the cure is kinda undone in the second game where she is an adult and she could have gone out to find the Fireflies on her own but she stayed and lived her life which makes her getting mad at Joel about his lie so ridiculous- yes I understand she's mad that he made a choice for her but the game sort of ignores that if she's mad at Joel about taking away her choice she should be equally as mangy at Marlene and the FF who also took her choice

In the game as an adult she's alive and could choose to be a guinea pig but she remains in Jackson to start a family so she obviously didn't feel that she was some one Iof a kind savior that should sacrifice herself which again shows that her assessment that she was a savior is one borne out of childishness and naivete

Well, I'm not going to continue going in circles. I'll agree to disagree.

Spoiler

You want Ellie to be mad at Marlene and the Fireflies but she isn't because she would have been fine dying at that moment - and that's her right to feel that way.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Joel is the only shooter I respect :

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

Going to finish the ps4 version of the game since I own it from the psn collection.. can’t wait to play left behind

 

[shonuff]

Irrelevant. This isn't about sex and this is a post-apocalptic world.


No. She thinks that way because that's her personality and she has survivor's guilt (which anyone of any age can have)


Well, I'm not going to continue going in circles. I'll agree to disagree.

Spoiler

You want Ellie to be mad at Marlene and the Fireflies but she isn't because she would have been fine dying at that moment - and that's her right to feel that way.

I didn't say it was about sex the issue was whether they could adequately act on what they want - yes they may be different levels of maturity but they are both STILL children

And if she has "survivors guilt " she absolutely COULD NOT make an informed decision about being put to death ..

Spoiler

I don't want ellie to be mad at Marlene but its silly to say she's mad in one instance having her choice taken from.her by Joel and then turn around and say she's OK with Marlene taking her choice from her ...

 

[King Static X]

I didn't say it was about sex the issue was whether they could adequately act on what they want - yes they may be different levels of maturity but they are both STILL children

Which is irrelevant because TLOU isn't the real world. Anyways, teenagers can make life or death decisions about their own lives especially in a post-apocalyptic world.

And if she has "survivors guilt " she absolutely COULD NOT make an informed decision about being put to death ..

Well, then Joel can't make any decisions based on his guilt over Sarah's death (which is why he saves Ellie). Fair is fair.

Spoiler

I don't want ellie to be mad at Marlene but its silly to say she's mad in one instance having her choice taken from.her by Joel and then turn around and say she's OK with Marlene taking her choice from her ...

Spoiler

I've said before that both Joel & Marlene are wrong not giving Ellie a choice.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

People forget that Game of Thrones started on a relatively modest budget as well, House of The Dragon is significantly higher budget. TLOU will get there next season.

 

[LinusCaldwell]

Decent show I give it a solid 7.5/10 more undead would be cool but if it’s cannon just like the video game then it is what it is.

 

[Diondon]

Druckman better be lining up TLOU3