There are alot of heel draws...Andre, the Rock, Flair, 4 Horsemen, Freebirds, nwO...lol
The irony of all this is that Triple Haitch is actually a B+ player
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I'm not saying a heel can't be a draw, or that Vader for example didn't draw money..but to try to argue they were pushed as a bigger star in WCW than Sting is pure ignorance. To use title reigns as an argument is even more ignorant.
No one in the Attitude Era drew more than the Rock in 2000..he eclipsed every Austin PPV there ever was and he passed him ratings wise in the fall of 99 during a depush for the Cripple H/ Austin program. No one in wrestling history was mainstream in pro wrestling than the Rock in 2000...not Hogan...not Austin..not anyone. He was everywhere and he brought ratings up every where he went. None of that weird Thunder in Paradise or Nash Bridges...guy was so over fans were chanting his name during WCW PPV main events in 99....alot of shyt they give Austin credit for on the money sheets is Rock related but they didn't want verify the Rock as a draw until post Backlash.
Vader ran WCW for a minute. .why do u think the WWF snatched him like that. What are u talking about? Then they did the weird Hogan feuds for 2 years to iffy results post initial Flair match.
WWF and WCW signed a lot of each others wrestlers..so what that they signed Vader? That argument really holds no water.
Vader didn;t run shyt. Being the champ doesn't mean you the top guy. Phil Brooks was WWE champ for over a year.. there was never one moment in time where he was on the same show as John Cena and they didn't present Cena as a bigger star. Cena was always the top guy, no matter what. When HHH had title reigns during the Attitude era, everyone knew the top guy was still either Rock or Austin. Every feud Sting was in was the biggest one on the show whether he had the strap or not.
I'm not saying Vader wasn't ONE of the top guys. He was their top heel for a few years, but Sting was pushed as THE GUY. There's a reason that on TV they actually came out and called him "the franchise of WCW".
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You Cripple H supporters do realize that he wrote himself into a few of those title reigns, right!?!?
Thread is showing that wrestling fans also have that wack ass tendency to point to only numbers and receipts as a catch all but not examine the circumstances surrounding the numbers like rap fans often do these days.
I wonder how many of the people so down on Sting were actually watching/have bothered to go back and grit your way thru some old WCW 1991-1994, or are we just going off what we've read and been told about it as basis for our debate. .. especially the 92-93 years and seen how bad of shape that company was in management wise. It was embarrassing and a chore to follow the product as a WHOLE
Yes. Sting was the face of it and should shoulder a bulk of the fallout of it for that reason as he's so closely associated with wcw, you'll never get an argument out of me on that but the way folks squarely place all blame on him is laughable. I know some folks do it because Stings defenders here are nearly as easy to rile up as hhh haters
He's my personal favorite of all time clearly and being unbiased no I wouldn't put him above B+ if I'm using the criteria y'all use.
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I wonder how many of the people so down on Sting were actually watching/have bothered to go back and grit your way thru some old WCW 1991-1994, or are we just going off what we've read and been told about it as basis for our debate. .. especially the 92-93 years and seen how bad of shape that company was in management wise. It was embarrassing and a chore to follow the product as a WHOLE
Yes. Sting was the face of it and should shoulder a bulk of the fallout of it for that reason as he's so closely associated with wcw, you'll never get an argument out of me on that but the way folks squarely place all blame on him is laughable. I know some folks do it because Stings defenders here are nearly as easy to rile up as hhh haters
He's my personal favorite of all time clearly and being unbiased no I wouldn't put him above B+ if I'm using the criteria y'all use.
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I don't have the old observers on me but Austin was the number one merchandise seller of all time. He even doubled the nWo in shirt sells.
I can get the PPV numbers later.
Vince McMahon himself said Austin drew in more money than any wrestler ever for him. I'm sure he would know more than any of us. There's numbers he's privy to that we're not, and he's always said Austin is the biggest star and biggest money maker he's ever had. That should end all speculation.
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When will we as wrestling fans learn that we have no business in numbers discussion? We have the luxury of having minimal information given to us and an open forum to discuss with no consequence. Don't let that fool you into thinking we are suddenly authorities when it comes to money and ratings.
Vince changed his position on money making depending on who fell out with him. He was anti Austin in 2002. He had Hogan ranked like #24 of biggest stars on one of those recent list/DVDs. Acted like the Rock didn't exist for most of his Hollywood sojourn. Him saying the top guy he had the most TV angles is with is a ego stroke that fits his agenda. The McMahon way.
I don't think u were watching that stuff during that time. Vader and Flair towards Starrcade wasn't the top program? That's crazy. Career vs title.
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The lack of mentions for Chris Jericho in this thread is sickening.
False. You can debate if Rock or Austin was bigger all you want.
However Hogan is the biggest most mainstream star in pro wrestling history. He is THE most famous wrestler of all time. Everyone knows who Hulk Hogan is. Everyone. He is up there with people like Michael Jordan and shyt.
Hogan used to be...he is not bigger in 2014. That's absolute madness. That's why the Rock makes certain crowds mad..he's been too good in record time.