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how come nobody mentions that HHH has to be a heel because he is not likeable? His perfect character is the OG hunter hearst helmsley aristocrat gimmick, he can't be anything else than that because of how his face looks.
The irony of all this is that Triple Haitch is actually a B+ player
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To rank him A- is to classify him in that league. Very simple analysis. Guy has never drew a PPV on his own.
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I agree but this guy is so bias against HBK that it's insanity.
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If HHH retired in 2000 you could make a case for him being an A player. But his career post-Attitude has had so much fukkery...like, I know I talk about how Austin made his own star fade with the Sheriff of Raw shyt and post-Invasion stuff in general, but at least he was wrapping up his career with that shyt. HHH has tried to get us to buy him as a big-time player A DECADE after that ship sailed
Look at the past decade and HHH has played second fiddle to Cena, Undertaker, Lesnar, hell, arguably even HBK. And HHH had full control of booking all that time. And Cena can't even buy a reaction that ismt mixed...but HHH still can't beat him out
Look at the past decade and HHH has played second fiddle to Cena, Undertaker, Lesnar, hell, arguably even HBK. And HHH had full control of booking all that time. And Cena can't even buy a reaction that ismt mixed...but HHH still can't beat him out
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Are we talking about draw or personal opinion now?
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Noticed I'm seein alot of disrespect for the dead man, Undertaker easily A+ off the strength of his longevity and status at the top. He was around for every major era from Hogan to New Generation to Attitude to Ruthless Aggression to PG and he was a top dog thruout, the one consistent the E had all these years durin each period he got significant runs as the guy and whenever they transitioned to another era he was the wrestler they could count on to be #1 while they looked for the next face of the company.
His gimmick while over as fukk was never the type that could be the face doin interviews on talk shows before the American Badass gimmick, but bein a textbook ring general able to work wit anyone cause he has so many styles, both powerful and quick/agile at the same time made him A+ by default. No better example of his versatility then when he was showin HBK all his different finishers durin their Wrestlemania buildup, Tombstone Last Ride Hell's Gate Chokeslam Triangle Choke, nobody got that diverse a arsenal especially a guy his size he would be like the Kevin Durant of the WWE wit what he can do in that ring.
As far as mic skills I used to think he wasn't a great talker til Ministry and American Badass cause of Paul Bearer mostly speakin for him and his delivery while effective for his gimmick was slow and borin (the same way others feel about Orton) but after his cult and biker runs I realized his mic skills is A+ too. And the E wouldn't have anyone less than a A+ player be a lockerroom leader to the point that even other A+ players answer to him and if they get outta line he either punks them like HBK or literally judges them in wrestlers court.
Bottom line in every category nikkas in here basin they judgements on Undertaker fits each one perfect, one of the most popular wrestlers ever, is an undeniable draw even before wit classic matches and storylines that headlined PPVs but especially now wit his Wrestlemania streak matches bein both main events and match of the night for the last 5-6 years. He had not only PPVs themed after him (Judgment Day Unforgiven Hell In A Cell) but entire matches (Casket Match Buried Alive Hell In A Cell) and he was arguably the best wrestler ever not just for his size but even compared to 99% of the other wrestlers.
So not only is Undertaker A+ he also DA GOAT.
Not to mention bein considered the greatest WRESTLER of his generation, technically sound, can work a match, athleticism like the LeBron of the WWE even pullin off moonsaults at his size but still doin the physical beast moves expected from big men, actually has good mic skills when allowed to show more personality and go off script, though like Taker his way of speakin fits his souless android like serial killer persona, he always has every aspect facial expressions/mannerisms of his character down to a tee particularly durin this sociopathic schizophrenic Viper era, and was so over wit the crowd they had to turn him in Evolution cause he was too popular. Throw in how he put Rock's show Smackdown on his back tho these last several years and is the only reason it stayed relevant pickin up Undertaker's slack after he became too
to continue caryin the brand and he definitely ain't B+ of this era.
(Each of those facts are basically all the shyt smarks conveniently forgot after choosin Orton as their next wrestler to turn on that week)
Outside of Cena he been their most important go to guy cause he's capable and has that loyal built in crossover fanbase like Cena has, when nikkas talk this B+ shyt they forget HHH was sayin it in the context of right now in their own era. Bryan Edge New Age Outlaws Ricky Steamboat etc was B+ for their era but wit yall turnin it into a all time rank them nikkas would be all Ds gettin F+ and shyt. If you top 2 of your era than you A+ cause you was able to consistently put in work for your company buildin a large fanbase and becomin a draw and Orton definitely did those things plain and simple.
Steph pushed Cena? She was one of the people who gave Orton a push too and was very high on Jackson Andrews, wonder if she chooses wrestlers based on which ones she thinks are hot and lets them fukk her for pushes.
She did it once before wit HHH.
HHH was a big time player durin the Attitude Era and especially the 2000-02 era, even after that he still made a impact by possibly bein Orton's greatest rival too and now he a big time player on the corporate side of things. LOL @ playin second fiddle to Lesnar when they both had the titles on two seperate shows, reachin at its finest. Virgins can throw shade all they want he came up the hard way took his lumps for fukkin up at MSG like Taker said which got him respect, became a cornerstone of the greatest era in wrestlin and ain't even get wit Steph til after he already was on his way to legend status, and he been had pull backstage since the Kliq days so he ain't need Steph to succeed. Errbody admits he can go in the ring got good psychology knows how to tell a story and is clearly a great talker both backstage and on camera, wit all that goin for him he was HOF bound regardless.
His gimmick while over as fukk was never the type that could be the face doin interviews on talk shows before the American Badass gimmick, but bein a textbook ring general able to work wit anyone cause he has so many styles, both powerful and quick/agile at the same time made him A+ by default. No better example of his versatility then when he was showin HBK all his different finishers durin their Wrestlemania buildup, Tombstone Last Ride Hell's Gate Chokeslam Triangle Choke, nobody got that diverse a arsenal especially a guy his size he would be like the Kevin Durant of the WWE wit what he can do in that ring.
As far as mic skills I used to think he wasn't a great talker til Ministry and American Badass cause of Paul Bearer mostly speakin for him and his delivery while effective for his gimmick was slow and borin (the same way others feel about Orton) but after his cult and biker runs I realized his mic skills is A+ too. And the E wouldn't have anyone less than a A+ player be a lockerroom leader to the point that even other A+ players answer to him and if they get outta line he either punks them like HBK or literally judges them in wrestlers court.
Bottom line in every category nikkas in here basin they judgements on Undertaker fits each one perfect, one of the most popular wrestlers ever, is an undeniable draw even before wit classic matches and storylines that headlined PPVs but especially now wit his Wrestlemania streak matches bein both main events and match of the night for the last 5-6 years. He had not only PPVs themed after him (Judgment Day Unforgiven Hell In A Cell) but entire matches (Casket Match Buried Alive Hell In A Cell) and he was arguably the best wrestler ever not just for his size but even compared to 99% of the other wrestlers.
So not only is Undertaker A+ he also DA GOAT.
So we gonna act like HHH ain't have classic feuds wit Rock who calls HHH his greatest rival, and 2 of the greatest matches ever in his Wrestlemania matches wit Undertaker?
Orton been in that Savage/Rock position as the clear #2 for the past decade and at times pushed as THE guy, that monster heel run in 09, becomin the first unified WWE World Heavyweight Champion and gettin marketed as the current face of the WWE. When he wasn't #1 he either was the #1 guy's greatest rival like HHH to Rock or he was teamin up wit the #1 on some Mega Powers/Two Man Power Trip shyt (Orton and Cena takin out the entire locker room in handicap matches).
Not to mention bein considered the greatest WRESTLER of his generation, technically sound, can work a match, athleticism like the LeBron of the WWE even pullin off moonsaults at his size but still doin the physical beast moves expected from big men, actually has good mic skills when allowed to show more personality and go off script, though like Taker his way of speakin fits his souless android like serial killer persona, he always has every aspect facial expressions/mannerisms of his character down to a tee particularly durin this sociopathic schizophrenic Viper era, and was so over wit the crowd they had to turn him in Evolution cause he was too popular. Throw in how he put Rock's show Smackdown on his back tho these last several years and is the only reason it stayed relevant pickin up Undertaker's slack after he became too
to continue caryin the brand and he definitely ain't B+ of this era.(Each of those facts are basically all the shyt smarks conveniently forgot after choosin Orton as their next wrestler to turn on that week)
Outside of Cena he been their most important go to guy cause he's capable and has that loyal built in crossover fanbase like Cena has, when nikkas talk this B+ shyt they forget HHH was sayin it in the context of right now in their own era. Bryan Edge New Age Outlaws Ricky Steamboat etc was B+ for their era but wit yall turnin it into a all time rank them nikkas would be all Ds gettin F+ and shyt. If you top 2 of your era than you A+ cause you was able to consistently put in work for your company buildin a large fanbase and becomin a draw and Orton definitely did those things plain and simple.
You know what you right but so what? We gonna act like every guy just got over without any management support? The only one is probably Austin. Hogan was brought in specifically to be pushed to the highest moon by Vince. Rock was dead in the water and would have probably been Diabase Jr status if he wasn't close with Patterson() Same with Cena. Would be on Wildside if not for Steph. Everyone had influence from someone
Steph pushed Cena? She was one of the people who gave Orton a push too and was very high on Jackson Andrews, wonder if she chooses wrestlers based on which ones she thinks are hot and lets them fukk her for pushes.She did it once before wit HHH.Nah real talk tho this the shyt I hate about smarks, always tryna look like insiders so desperate to live their fantasy as "one of the boys backstage" that they run around statin random bullshyt rumors like they facts. Gossipin like a buncha females and shyt, don't nan one of yall know what goes on in that company or who comes up wit the idea to push/bury someone but since its still real to yall it gotta be the heel HHH even tho in reality Vince makes all the decisions if he ain't fukkin wit it the shyt don't happen and vice versa.
HHH was a big time player durin the Attitude Era and especially the 2000-02 era, even after that he still made a impact by possibly bein Orton's greatest rival too and now he a big time player on the corporate side of things. LOL @ playin second fiddle to Lesnar when they both had the titles on two seperate shows, reachin at its finest. Virgins can throw shade all they want he came up the hard way took his lumps for fukkin up at MSG like Taker said which got him respect, became a cornerstone of the greatest era in wrestlin and ain't even get wit Steph til after he already was on his way to legend status, and he been had pull backstage since the Kliq days so he ain't need Steph to succeed. Errbody admits he can go in the ring got good psychology knows how to tell a story and is clearly a great talker both backstage and on camera, wit all that goin for him he was HOF bound regardless.
nikkas been done said fukk the facts and just postin what grade they want the wrestlers they stan/hate to get.
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So we gonna act like HHH ain't have classic feuds wit Rock who calls HHH his greatest rival, and 2 of the greatest matches ever in his Wrestlemania matches wit Undertaker
nikkas been done said fukk the facts and just postin what grade they want the wrestlers they stan/hate to get.
let's be real though Austin/Rock feud is just as important to his career as his series with HHH. You acting like i'm calling the man garbage or something. He was a great Heel during his run but he wasn't the guy you would choose too run with for a extended period of time. HHH was the Roddy Piper of his era, he was a great heel and a decent face but he wasn't the draw compared to his rivals Hogan and Savage.
So if your opening a wrestling company up from scratch and you can pick any body from any era for your first pick are you really going to pick "The Game" ?
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let's be real though Austin/Rock feud is just as important to his career as his series with HHH. You acting like i'm calling the man garbage or something. He was a great Heel during his run but he wasn't the guy you would choose too run with for a extended period of time. HHH was the Roddy Piper of his era, he was a great heel and a decent face but he wasn't the draw compared to his rivals Hogan and Savage.
So if your opening a wrestling company up from scratch and you can pick any body from any era for your first pick are you really going to pick "The Game" ?
You ain't gonna pick "Macho Man" either tho, really errbody pickin Hogan/Rock cause they crossover appeal was >>>>> Austin had that hardcore dedicated fanbase but didn't get the women and children the way those two did and you can throw in Cena when it comes to that too. HHH was = Savage in fact Trips gets the edge cause his heel work blows Savage out of the water so comparin him to Piper ain't a good analogy, Punk is more Piper than anyone.But playin devil's advocate HHH ain't a bad choice at all he can be your face for a while but sooner or later he'd become your top heel second to none in the business which by default is gonna make stars out of every face he feuds wit, faces are only as good as the heel they're up against and HHH gives you alot to work off of you could literally build your roster from the guys initially challengin heel HHH. And backstage no wrestler has a better mind for the business than him he knows how to "play the game" and can one day take over your company, so wit HHH you'd be gettin alot more than any other guy could give you in the long run beyond just makin money but makin other stars that make money and havin a heir apparent.
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But playin devil's advocate HHH ain't a bad choice at all he can be your face for a while but sooner or later he'd become your top heel second to none in the business which by default is gonna make stars out of every face he feuds wit, faces are only as good as the heel they're up against and HHH gives you alot to work off of you could literally build your roster from the guys initially challengin heel HHH. And backstage no wrestler has a better mind for the business than him he knows how to "play the game" and can one day take over your company, so wit HHH you'd be gettin alot more than any other guy could give you in the long run beyond just makin money but makin other stars that make money and havin a heir apparent.
Nobody said HHH and Piper had the same gimmick, I said they were lower priority to other stars during their run. As for picking HHH yeah dude has a great mind for the business but the point is to draw money and there are better options in Hogan, Rocky, and Austin. I know you ain't saying trips and Cena are on Austin level.
I think you underrating Macho Man impact on the industry man, Dude is a wrestling icon,he could talk, has some legendary matches in his catalog, he had crossover appeal which allowed him to appear in movies, cartoons, and he dropped a Rap album. Not to mention he also help to establish DDP during their feud in WCW.
HHH is an A player. I can't believe this is even an argument.
nikka...Who the fukk considers Orton the greatest wrestler of his generation?
All that bullshyt you typed trying to hype Orton was wrong, but this line is by far the dumbest I've ever read on TSC.