splitting hairs to prove his point
The irony of all this is that Triple Haitch is actually a B+ player
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CHURCH
AKM-95
All Star
@ the idea that HHH only has ONE classic match
I'm not going to front that's not true but allot of his stuff runs together to me
HHH is a legend but he 's not in the league of Flair, Hogan, Rocky, Savage, ,or Austin those guys star power, and or ring ability made them true legends.
he's is in the Bret Hart, John Cena, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, level guy too me. Those Guys have drawling power but have limited crossover appeal.
he was the top draw at that time...but that's like saying he was the shiniest piece of shyt. WWF damn near ran itself out of business at that time cause their ratings/attendance/ppv's were so bad in the bret/HBK era.
The Canada thing is irrelevant -- that's his hometown and his whole gimmick was pro Canada/anti-America. The fact that they did the show there doesnt prove anything other than that he was a big draw in his hometown.
Macho Man was sent to commentary because he was he was 40. Around that time, Vince purged the roster of the 80s guys and Hogan was going to be phased out and into the 'Bruno role' too. The entire reason Hulk went to WCW. Randy Savage and HHH are two different levels, I thought the publicity Savage's death got taught you this. Do you understand what 650,000 ppv buys for Mania 5 in 1989 entails? The number of homes with cable in 1989 are a fraction of today yet that 650k isn't too far off from recent Mania's domestic buys. A number like that means there were two draws.
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
hell in a cell vs cactus jack
last man standing vs Jericho
iron man vs rock
three stages of hell versus Austin
triple threat vs hbk vs benoit
two man power trip vs benoit/Jericho :
I know he was on the floor, but still...it is a classic match.
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Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
at mania,...when Austin turned.
that is argueably the best mania match ever, tied with bloodstone.
art barr
Art Barr
INVADING SOHH CHAMPION
that is because the booking was not aligned with savage or sting in that time period.
you are stating this from a mark's perspective.
art barr
Classic yet the E acts like most those matches never existed. And if they can't credit any of Macho ' s work, then nothing Cripple H has done has ever mattered.
splitting hairs once again
No it was not "Hogan then everyone else" because if that was the case, Hogan would have drawn big with everyone he faced and everywhere he wrestled. He didn't. If Hogan didn't have a good antagonist he didn't draw that well (He never drew when he faced Hennig, Rude, or anyone significantly smaller than him except for when he fought, ding ding you guessed it, Randy Savage, Piper and Orndorff) , and in certain places Piper drew more than Hogan.
Savage and Hogan did better business than any of Hogan's other opponents for a reason. You think you replace Savage in those matches with anyone else they're doing that kinda business? Not a chance. They did 650k buys in 1989, when only 7 million homes had PPV access. Do you understand how insane that is? If they kept that same percentage with the amount of homes that carry PPV now, do you understand how many buys that would be? We're talking astronomical through the roof numbers.
And come on man, the business was in the shyts back 1992. Nobody could draw in that era. Hogan left because his drawing power was all but gone at that point, WWF was facing the big steroid scandal. It was a terrible time. But look at Savage as a draw in his WCW years. He did pretty good and him and Flair's feud was pumping back up WCW's business in the beginning of 1996 before the nWo came and Hogan was mostly gone. 7 years in his career Savage was a top 10 draw. 2 of the years he was top 2, and 3 of the years he was top 5. That's incredible.
The problem with your Triple H/Savage comparison is nobody is saying Savage is Hogan, The Rock, Austin as a draw. We're saying he was a great antagonist. HHH was a great antaganoist for The Rock. You replace HHH with say Ken Shamrock or the Big Bossman in 2000, and the Rock isn't breaking any records. People criticize Triple H's drawing power when people compare him to Austin, the Rock and so on. We're not comparing Savage to the A+ guys, just the A guys.
And no that last sentence has to be trolling. Vince was trying to get Savage back in the ring during that period whenever he could to pop business a little.
I'm not reading this long diatribe above me completely. But just the fact I see Hogan name dozens of time proves my point. HE ONLY DREW with HOGAN. NOT FLAIR. NOT WARRIOR. Same with Sting who only drew with flair or hogan. These guys were not top flight level guys. Why is that so hard to understand?
No shyt. That's the point.
Kevin_Nash
2x WWE Hall of Famer
Until I see any of these "A+" players survive a war like the one I survived in this Gauntlet Match, I'm the only "A+" player pal. Like my buddy 2pac once said, All Eyes we On Me anytime I was on TV.
MSG is Advantage:Warrior though Savage headlined the building 6 times in 8 months huh?