The irony of all this is that Triple Haitch is actually a B+ player

[Da King]

He wasn't bigger than Vince.....and Corporate Rock was so hot they created Smackdown after him. Unheard of. Austin is the "man" but heel Rock is getting PPVs and shows named in his honor as the WWF went public on the stock trade. u little nyggas..always good for a laugh.

So Rock says the best matches of his CAREER were against HHH, a B+ player

 

[Stack Money]

nikkas all up in this thread just wylin statin they biased opinions as facts.

Top 10 biggest draws every year from 1983-2008 (It's actually done from 1901, but we don't care about them years cause we never saw them). This is from WrestlingObserver Newsletter in 2009.

Don't think yall nikkas slick ignorin this post when it shut EVERYONE'S arguments down.

Each of those wrestlers in the US that was a top 10 draw of the year WORLDWIDE is a A+ player for their company by default, thread shoulda been closed after this post.

And that list confirms what I always thought was the case that Rock was the #1 guy durin the Attitude Era, Austin was #1 at one point too but overall Rock was the main guy and biggest draw even if Vince intended for Austin to be the face of the company.

I'm not going to front that's not true but allot of his stuff runs together to me


HHH is a legend but he 's not in the league of Flair, Hogan, Rocky, Savage, ,or Austin those guys star power, and or ring ability made them true legends.

he's is in the Bret Hart, John Cena, Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, level guy too me. Those Guys have drawling power but have limited crossover appeal.

HHH has both star power and ring ability so that just proves he in they league, and all those guys have crossover appeal especially HHH Cena and Undertaker. Taker was a household name early in his career off gimmick alone, had alot of people talkin bout him cause there was never a wrestler like that before same wit Andre The Giant people were fascinated by him and little kids were scared of him.

Randy Savage and HHH are two different levels, I thought the publicity Savage's death got taught you this.

What publicity? Any major wrestler that dies young is gonna make headlines if HHH keeled over he'd get the same prolly more media coverage, but you talkin like Savage was all over cable news like Benoit or somethin.

 

[The G.O.D II]

Macho Man was sent to commentary because he was he was 40. Around that time, Vince purged the roster of the 80s guys and Hogan was going to be phased out and into the 'Bruno role' too. The entire reason Hulk went to WCW. Randy Savage and HHH are two different levels, I thought the publicity Savage's death got taught you this. Do you understand what 650,000 ppv buys for Mania 5 in 1989 entails? The number of homes with cable in 1989 are a fraction of today yet that 650k isn't too far off from recent Mania's domestic buys. A number like that means there were two draws.

Another person who does not get it.

 

[Mikael Blowpiff]

Top 10 biggest draws every year from 1983-2008 (It's actually done from 1901, but we don't care about them years cause we never saw them). This is from WrestlingObserver Newsletter in 2009.

Sting's only there once? :mjpanz:
And just barely? :mjpanz:

 

[FreshAIG]

nikkas all up in this thread just wylin statin they biased opinions as facts.


Don't think yall nikkas slick ignorin this post when it shut EVERYONE'S arguments down.

Each of those wrestlers in the US that was a top 10 draw of the year WORLDWIDE is a A+ player for their company by default, thread shoulda been closed after this post.

And that list confirms what I always thought was the case that Rock was the #1 guy durin the Attitude Era, Austin was #1 at one point too but overall Rock was the main guy and biggest draw even if Vince intended for Austin to be the face of the company.


HHH has both star power and ring ability so that just proves he in they league, and all those guys have crossover appeal especially HHH Cena and Undertaker. Taker was a household name early in his career off gimmick alone, had alot of people talkin bout him cause there was never a wrestler like that before same wit Andre The Giant people were fascinated by him and little kids were scared of him.


What publicity? Any major wrestler that dies young is gonna make headlines if HHH keeled over he'd get the same prolly more media coverage, but you talkin like Savage was all over cable news like Benoit or somethin.

Agree with most of this post, only thing is Austin did better PPV buys and sold way more merchandise than The Rock. And it's not fair to compare 2000 because Austin was gone basically that whole year. So the Rock was the number 1 guy by default. It would be like if Hogan left after 85, Piper would've been the number 1 guy by default even though Hogan was clearly above him in status, but since he's gone, someone would have to replace him. Not saying The Rock isn't right there with Austin but he's a little below when you count everything. Austin's peak is higher than anyone else's in drawing money in every facet, by a significant margin. Problem was he was only on top for 5 years. 3 really.

 

[FreshAIG]

Sting's only there once? :mjpanz:
And just barely? :mjpanz:

Sting was never a draw

"When Sting was on top, the fans came dressed as chairs"

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Sting was never a draw

"When Sting was on top, the fans came dressed as chairs"

never heard that quote.

Crow Sting was probably him at his peak in terms of draw (tv/attendance), and even then, it's hard to isolate the variables to determine how much he actually contributed to the ratings and attendance as they were both high anyway before that..but a lot of that popularity was due to the nWo..dont think it would have been as big if it wasnt for the nWo and done by itself.

 

[Yung Yogurt]

They need to sign Doink the clown to generate some new buzz

 

[Da King]

"When Sting was on top, the fans came dressed as chairs"

:shaqhaha:

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

They need to sign Doink the clown to generate some new buzz

he died

 

[Art Barr]

No shyt. That's the point.

no, it is not.
as you made a comment like sting and macho were not who they were.
when, anyone who is a smart.
of which, you are not.
any smart knows that sting and macho were both booked as champion.
with a certain goblin and flair there looking to sabotage their draw.
to protect their slot on the card.
when, if booked properly, both would have developed or sustained a boom period.
go and see what type of content and booking both sting and macho got.
as a matter of fact clique rules were developed solely damn near off, limiting sting and macho.
plus, its effectiveness to dull a boom period and return the former me clique guy to prominence.
were authenicated with sting and macho being the main victims.
so, how are macho and sting less.
when, they were a+ guys before being tampered with.

also, people fail to realize hogun and flair.
only flair had real talent wholeheartedly, and was limited by wwf monopolizing tv deals.
both, were in on limiting savage and sting multiple times.
when, real talk.....
both guys were feared as both guys originally were the best heels at one point, argueably.
the reason why their former promotions were talent raided was to acquire them.
they were both a players.
only thing separating them was rocky and the will of their companies to see them fully mature.
as mainstream draws, of which both were severely tampered with for the duration of their reigns in the mainstream promotions.

the difference with a guy like hhh is.
he used the clique rules to the best of his know how.
with the promotions full cooperation and continually failed.
that is why he is lower and a b+ player.
all of the clique guys, who drew heavily.
outside of flair and hogun were B+ player to B-minus guys.
as they had the entire promotion behind them and failed as draws.
when given the ball, that goes for hall, Nash, hbk, and hhh.

as, neither of them, ever were really over on their own as some phenomenon.
they were just there and manipulating coups, admin wise.
plus, ruined and had little vision inring as characters to sustain a boom or create one.
only time clique guys achieved was when a boom establishing a+ guy was around on his own.
as in other promtions, before the first company to have a boom.
they never really drew.
same goes for hall, as needed hennig.
plus, hall never drew by himself.
he had a great character in wwf.
yet, he needed the wwf to do it.
he was never as over by himself as a top flight heel or babyface like, sting or macho in other promotions.

same as hbk, hhh, Nash, and others.
as a matter of fact, the clique outside of 123 kid.
were never over or known like that in other promotions.
even hbk was a ripoff of the rnr express in the awa and he was never over like say Jericho in Smokey, or stampede.
which is why I say the clique were at best, B+ to B- minus guys.
as the clique guys needed clique rules to get admin aid.
plus, never succeeded with a variable that alwasy included a promotion who had someone attached to a boom.

sting and macho were phenomenons as draws before they went somewhere that had people connected to a boom period.
plus, if not tampered with.
could have sustained said boom, rather easily.
including, huge mainstream stars that could have rivaled hogun and flair if not tampered with.





Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

So Rock says the best matches of his CAREER were against HHH, a B+ player

you could say that from clique rules and propaganda.
as, hhh was always instituted around the rock's draw to give him rub.
when hhh, was nowhere near the rock's talent level.
as the rock was ramping up, and hhh had already been in numeprus promotions.
plus, was greenlit as a Connecticut guy and continually failed.
if wwe had not fallen under clique rules for most of the late eighties to nineties.
the rock already had his actual real antagonist in the me scene as everyone else.
Who was mankind/mick, who really was the glue that held the attitude era together.
as Mick wrote the template to the attitude era matches as the main principle.


Art Barr

 

[Da King]

you could say that from clique rules and propaganda.

stopped reading right there, I'm quoting the Rock saying he had the best matches of his career against HHH, this isn't spin

 

[K-Apps]

no, it is not.
as you made a comment like sting and macho were not who they were.
when, anyone who is a smart.
of which, you are not.
any smart knows that sting and macho were both booked as champion.
with a certain goblin and flair there looking to sabotage their draw.
to protect their slot on the card.
when, if booked properly, both would have developed or sustained a boom period.
go and see what type of content and booking both sting and macho got.
as a matter of fact clique rules were developed solely damn near off, limiting sting and macho.
plus, its effectiveness to dull a boom period and return the former me clique guy to prominence.
were authenicated with sting and macho being the main victims.
so, how are macho and sting less.
when, they were a+ guys before being tampered with.

also, people fail to realize hogun and flair.
only flair had real talent wholeheartedly, and was limited by wwf monopolizing tv deals.
both, were in on limiting savage and sting multiple times.
when, real talk.....
both guys were feared as both guys originally were the best heels at one point, argueably.
the reason why their former promotions were talent raided was to acquire them.
they were both a players.
only thing separating them was rocky and the will of their companies to see them fully mature.
as mainstream draws, of which both were severely tampered with for the duration of their reigns in the mainstream promotions.

the difference with a guy like hhh is.
he used the clique rules to the best of his know how.
with the promotions full cooperation and continually failed.
that is why he is lower and a b+ player.
all of the clique guys, who drew heavily.
outside of flair and hogun were B+ player to B-minus guys.
as they had the entire promotion behind them and failed as draws.
when given the ball, that goes for hall, Nash, hbk, and hhh.

as, neither of them, ever were really over on their own as some phenomenon.
they were just there and manipulating coups, admin wise.
plus, ruined and had little vision inring as characters to sustain a boom or create one.
only time clique guys achieved was when a boom establishing a+ guy was around on his own.
as in other promtions, before the first company to have a boom.
they never really drew.
same goes for hall, as needed hennig.
plus, hall never drew by himself.
he had a great character in wwf.
yet, he needed the wwf to do it.
he was never as over by himself as a top flight heel or babyface like, sting or macho in other promotions.

same as hbk, hhh, Nash, and others.
as a matter of fact, the clique outside of 123 kid.
were never over or known like that in other promotions.
even hbk was a ripoff of the rnr express in the awa and he was never over like say Jericho in Smokey, or stampede.
which is why I say the clique were at best, B+ to B- minus guys.
as the clique guys needed clique rules to get admin aid.
plus, never succeeded with a variable that alwasy included a promotion who had someone attached to a boom.

sting and macho were phenomenons as draws before they went somewhere that had people connected to a boom period.
plus, if not tampered with.
could have sustained said boom, rather easily.
including, huge mainstream stars that could have rivaled hogun and flair if not tampered with.





Art Barr

Art Barr dropping that knowledge

 

[AKM-95]

HHH has both star power and ring ability so that just proves he in they league, and all those guys have crossover appeal especially HHH Cena and Undertaker. Taker was a household name early in his career off gimmick alone, had alot of people talkin bout him cause there was never a wrestler like that before same wit Andre The Giant people were fascinated by him and little kids were scared of him.

So you think HHH is the same level as Rocky, Austin or Hogan?

those three guys move the needle to their generations where as HHH was just along for the ride. I know WWE propaganda likes to make it seem like their on the same level but WWF/E could of made it without him. Whereas without the 3 guys I mentioned above WWF/E would of been out of business and we would be watching NWA/WCW right now.