The Internet Is Smoothing Sex Into Oblivion

[Big Jo]

Thread is full of truth. I've been saying this for a while now, internet porn is hyper stimulating and will massively warp the brains of young men now that is a common tendency to indulge on it

We've already seen this trend appearing in teenagers and 20 somethings, and I shutter to think exactly how today's generation of boys growing up with a cornucopia of high speed pornography at their finger tips binge orgasming every day will mature and develop as they get older and attempt to purse sex and relationships with real women when their tastes have already escalated to "genres" like DP gangbangs and facial compilations

This post is not meant as fear mongering or to vilify porn, we just don't understand or approach the ramifications of technology seriously and probably won't until significant damage has already been done

 

[NZA]

first porn was going to turn you into a rapist, now it's going to turn young boys into eunuchs. japan's issues are always being exaggerated in some racist way by american media.

 

[Big Jo]

first porn was going to turn you into a rapist, now it's going to turn young boys into eunuchs. japan's issues are always being exaggerated in some racist way by american media.

there's a good amount of research that shows the brain response to porn spikes dopamine levels in a fashion that's identical to hard drugs

survey a classroom of 16 year old boys and i guarantee you 95% will admit to viewing online porn and masturbating to it at least once a day. porn traffic dominates every other internet category by a large margin, and young and sexually immature men are particularly susceptible to it

knowing this, it's no stretch to hypothesize that habitual porn uses (especially younger ones) will lose interest in social interactions and sexual encounters with real women. this hasn't been proven quantitatively yet per se but there's massive amounts of anecdotal evidence including entire forums full of men using high amounts of porn, frustrated with their sex lives (or lack there of) and looking to "reboot"

for you to imply it's an old wives tail is very uniformed imo

 

[NZA]

there's a good amount of research that shows the brain response to porn spikes dopamine levels in a fashion that's identical to hard drugs

survey a classroom of 16 year old boys and i guarantee you 95% will admit to viewing online porn and masturbating to it at least once a day. porn traffic dominates every other internet category by a large margin, and young and sexually immature men are particularly susceptible to it

knowing this, it's no stretch to hypothesize that habitual porn uses (especially younger ones) will lose interest in social interactions and sexual encounters with real women. this hasn't been proven quantitatively yet per se but there's massive amounts of anecdotal evidence including entire forums full of men using high amounts of porn, frustrated with their sex lives (or lack there of) and looking to "reboot"

for you to imply it's an old wives tail is very uniformed imo

but various people have entered the public space and said mutually exclusive things. they provide some study to support two different disastrous outcomes from regular porn viewing; one being that males become too aggressive, the other that males lose all interest. they cant both be right, and most likely both are wrong.

 

[tmonster]

Thread is full of truth. I've been saying this for a while now, internet porn is hyper stimulating and will massively warp the brains of young men now that is a common tendency to indulge on it

We've already seen this trend appearing in teenagers and 20 somethings, and I shutter to think exactly how today's generation of boys growing up with a cornucopia of high speed pornography at their finger tips binge orgasming every day will mature and develop as they get older and attempt to purse sex and relationships with real women when their tastes have already escalated to "genres" like DP gangbangs and facial compilations

This post is not meant as fear mongering or to vilify porn, we just don't understand or approach the ramifications of technology seriously and probably won't until significant damage has already been done

it's not like American sexuality was so healthy in the first place

 

[Big Jo]

but various people have entered the public space and said mutually exclusive things. they provide some study to support two different disastrous outcomes from regular porn viewing; one being that males become too aggressive, the other that males lose all interest. they cant both be right, and most likely both are wrong.

point taken. for what it's worth i think the "porn makes men violent" camp has faded considerably and really aren't taken seriously these days. i for one have seen no real study or proof indicating it heightens aggression in men at all outside of rare exceptions in which case a tendency towards those behaviors would have already been apparent.

now i do agree with the other side, that porn is a catalyst for losing interest, though i realize it's a complicated issue. there's typically a sense of taboo and shame that suffocates porn users, which creates an addiction cycle in and of itself. so suddenly internet porn is not merely the culprit, it's both porn's stimulating nature and a belief that indulging in porn makes you a bad person or a failure. the result? more porn consumption and even less of an effort towards social interactions, a less mentally healthy individual, and a situation that is much bigger than one sole factor or cause.

i think if nothing else we can both agree the subject is not black and white. it just makes my blood boil seeing arguments like "internet porn is no worse than a playboy magazine" or "boys will boys" (not saying you were suggesting that, it's just a very common rebuttal to these type of articles)

 

[sun raw]

I don't know if porn makes men violent, the word on that might be that it makes them no more violent than video games or movies, I don't know. However, consuming porn definitely has an effect on people's minds, on the way one interacts with the world. It's the same as any other media and the "boys will boys" mentality is very much a way of sidestepping that. I think it distorts men's (cause let's be honest here, we're talking about men) expectations and attitudes towards woman and sex. And then when the reality doesn't live up to the fantasy, they indulge further in the fantasy. I can't blame it only on that though, it's definitely a complicated issue and I can't claim to know much about it.

 

[tmonster]

I don't know if porn makes men violent, the word on that might be that it makes them no more violent than video games or movies, I don't know. However, consuming porn definitely has an effect on people's minds, on the way one interacts with the world. It's the same as any other media and the "boys will boys" mentality is very much a way of sidestepping that. I think it distorts men's (cause let's be honest here, we're talking about men) expectations and attitudes towards woman and sex. And then when the reality doesn't live up to the fantasy, they indulge further in the fantasy. I can't blame it only on that though, it's definitely a complicated issue and I can't claim to know much about it.

1. let's not forget that women watch porn too
2. I propose that testosterone in the real motivator, I look at porn as the chicken and testosterone as the egg. Started with the egg but the chicken can make eggs (damn... I just about skull fukked this analogy to death)

 

[Big Jo]

1. let's not forget that women watch porn too

Women might watch porn occasionally, all the while giggling about it and looking for a way to "spice up your life in the bedroom" per the latest cosmopolitan magazine or whatever bullsh1t it is they read these days

Finding an actual woman who watches porn compulsively and uses it as a source of escapism is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Yes they exist but I'd say the ratio on porn addicted men to women is 1000:1

 

[tmonster]

Women might watch porn occasionally, all the while giggling about it and looking for a way to "spice up your life in the bedroom" per the latest cosmopolitan magazine or whatever bullsh1t it is they read these days

Finding an actual woman who watches porn compulsively and uses it as a source of escapism is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Yes they exist but I'd say the ratio on porn addicted men to women is 1000:1

Guess What? Many Ladies Love Porn: 10 Interesting Facts About Women's Porn Habits
What do we actually know about the roles, consumption and viewing habits of women? Turns out, a lot.

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  Nothing perplexes people quite like the combined topics of women and pornography. Do ladies love porn or hate it? Do they hate it but still watch it? What kind of woman gets into porn? What kind of woman gets off to it? Can Fifty Shades of Grey be blamed? Or Sasha Grey? Porn has been a hot-button issue for years now, but what do we actually know about the roles, consumption and viewing habits of women? Once you get past the heated rhetoric and moralizing, it turns out we know a lot.
  
  10. Women Watch Porn...
  
  This should be a resounding “doye,” or if you’re feeling emphatic, “Doyes ‘R’ Us” or “Doye Story III.” Some women have been consuming and enjoying porn for a long time. And not just a fringe minority. One in three adults browsing Internet porn sites are women, according to Nielsen ratings. In 2007, almost 13 million were watching porn on a monthly basis. Despite this, the myth persists that all women hate porn (and certainly many do). But their Internet habits tell another story.
  
  9. They Just Don’t Like to Pay for It
  
  According to the neuroscientists who wrote A Billion Wicked Thoughts,women do not often pay for porn. Authors Ogas and Gaddam write: “According to CCBill, the billing service most commonly used by the online adult industry, only 2 percent of all subscriptions to pornography sites are made on credit cards with women's names. In fact, CCBill even flags female names as potential fraud, since so many of these charges result in an angry wife or mother demanding a refund for the misuse of her card.”
  
  8. Porn Origins
  
  Porn has been around since the Paleolithic period, and yes, it was conducted on cave walls. In addition to woolly mammoths, engraved images of nude women and crude vulvas (think Pac-Man meets ice cream cone), and doggy-style drawings exist as early as 10,000 BCE. Granted, some of them look like they’ve been drawn by sexually precocious first-graders, but hey, we can’t all be Vincent van Ho.
  
  7. Porn Stars Have Higher Self-Esteem Than You
  
  The stereotype that all female porn stars are damaged goods, come from backgrounds of abuse, and have poor self-images is finally being put to bed. According to findings in the Journal of Sex Research, porn stars have higher self-esteem, are more spiritual, and feel better about their bodies than women not in the adult industry. The study also found that porn stars were far more likely to identify as bisexual (67 percent, compared to the match group's 7 percent), that they had sex at an earlier age (15, compared to the match group's 17), had more sexual partners (on average, a porn star has more sex partners in one year than a non-porn star has in her lifetime, and this doesn't include their work partners), enjoyed sex more, and were more concerned about contracting STDs.
  
  6. The Average American Female Porn Star Looks Like...
  
  Picture a porn star in your mind. What do you see? Blonde? Triple-D rack? Stilettos, tans and talons that would make most lesbians recoil in terror? According to writer and researcher Jon Millward’s study of 10,000 actors in the Internet Adult Film Database, your average porn star has brown hair, is from California, has a 34B cup, is 5’5" and is probably named Nikki Lee. The stereotype of the busty blonde bombshell turns out to be just that, a stereotype.
  
  5. The Most Popular Female Roles in Porn
  
  Millward’s study also looked at the most common female roles in porn and found that “teen” won by a landslide; the word appeared in 1,966 titles. Curiously, “MILF” came in second, with 954 titles. (If you haven’t seen How I Banged Your Mother 6, you simply must!) This seems like a curious age gap -- women in porn are desirable as teenagers and then not again until motherhood? -- until you realize that “fukkable moms” in porn are on average 33 years old, and many are far younger. The third most common role in porn is “wife” at 499 titles, which would be sweet except that every film title that had “wife” was actually about the concept of fukking someone else’s spouse.
  
  Authors from A Billion Wicked Thoughts came to similar conclusions. They analyzed a year’s worth of terms entered into search engine aggregators, and found that, of the searches that were sexual, the term “youth” was No. 1, “MILF” was No. 3. and “cheating wives” was No. 5.
  
  4. What Kind of Porn Women Like
  
  You’ve no doubt heard the expression “different strokes for different folks,” and this applies to the porn-watching habits of women, which are just as diverse as the habits of men (except when it comes to teen MILF wifes, obviously). But as with anything, some trends have emerged. If you’re trying to get your ladyfriend to watch porn with you, you should avoid cum shots above the neck, overt fakeness (women tend to like porn that looks/feels “real”), porn with no storyline (though please, no more Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Bone), and porn with no foreplay. While softer images, lighting and music are a theme, this isn’t to say women can’t get down with more hardcore action. According to sex columnist Violet Blue, female director Candida Royalle's hard-core erotic videos, which are made for women viewers, sell at the rate of approximately 10,000 copies a month.
  
  3. Female Porn Stars Outearn Male Peers
  
  Porn is one of the few professions where women make more money than men do. “While female performers often earn between $600 and $1,000 for a scene, men are usually only paid less than $150 for a scene,” according to All Time 10s, and theGuardian. Take that, wage gap! Way to stick it to the man...by sticking it in yourself.
  
  2. Women Get Aroused by ... Everything
  
  A 2008 study by Meredith Chivers, detailed in the New York Times, found that straight women showed signs of physical arousal when shown images of just about everything -- masturbation, straight sex, girl-on-girl action, guy-on-guy action, and even footage of bonobo chimps mating. What didn't turn them on, you ask? Pictures of naked men. However, even though women showed strong signs of arousal, there was a marked disconnect between what was happening to their bodies and what was happening in their brains. Meaning they were turned on, but didn’t know it.
  
  1. Don’t Know What Porn to Watch? Ask Oprah
  
  Porn makers and distributors are tuning into the fact that women are getting on the porn bandwagon. Nothing speaks truer to the mainstreaming of porn than the fact that Oprah Winfrey has porn recommendations, filtered through the wisdom of Violet Blue. She recommends sites like SugarDVD.com and GreenCine.com, Comstock Films’ Real People, Real Life, Real Sex Series (which focus on an actual couple), vintage erotica, and one Jenna Jameson flick with her husband for good measure. There’s no word on whether the recommendations will continue, but I think we can all agree that’d be a club we could get behind.

 

[Easy-E]

We need to slow down. The problem is that speed, transience, and fluidity are part and parcel of capitalism. The automation of factories was one of the first instances of this trend, and we have seen it accelerated to staggering degrees with the advent of online communication technologies and virtual finance capital. Slowness is intolerable. Disjuncture must be smoothed. Time—your time—is money, as they say. To slow down is to act against capital.

We need a large scale mental shift from capitalist pathologies of anxious transience and chronic isolation. This begins with a mental break from the daily grind of constant communication, constant social leveraging, and constant exchange. I don’t mean planned “digital detox” times so we can reinsert ourselves into the flow of capital and commodities with more vigor later. To be sure, it’s telling that digital detox camps like Camp Grounded are popular with the business crowd.

Ain't this the truth...

Great article, overall.

 

[Big Jo]

Ooooooh a monthly basis, stop the presses. Tell the brehs at JBO you watch porn once a month and you'll get laughed out of the room for being an amateur. that's a drop in the bucket compared to the average male internet porn user

I get it, some women are curious about porn and watch it semi-regularly for whatever silly reason. That said, the dynamic of an addiction just isn't there. If you look at the user base on porn addiction forums, the ratio is legitimately around 1000:1 male to female, no exaggeration

This is just petty fogging the discussion anyway, that internet pornography is unequivocally causing disruptions among the psyche of young men. You can't dispute that.

 

[sun raw]

1. let's not forget that women watch porn too

The majority of porn is targeted towards men, who make up the majority of the porn-watching audience though. Women do watch porn but not on the same scale as men.

 

[IAmGettingAMailOrderBride]

Id love to smush with a Japanese girl

 

[tmonster]

Ooooooh a monthly basis, stop the presses. Tell the brehs at JBO you watch porn once a month and you'll get laughed out of the room for being an amateur. that's a drop in the bucket compared to the average male internet porn user

I get it, some women are curious about porn and watch it semi-regularly for whatever silly reason. That said, the dynamic of an addiction just isn't there. If you look at the user base on porn addiction forums, the ratio is legitimately around 1000:1 male to female, no exaggeration

This is just petty fogging the discussion anyway, that internet pornography is unequivocally causing disruptions among the psyche of young men. You can't dispute that.

I think too wide of a brush is being used
1. are we conflating porn addicts and habitual porn viewers when it suits the argument being made?
2. looking at the user base of porn addiction forums, what is the number of porn addicts?

I think it can be disputed, I really don't care too much who's right about this. I'm certainly skeptical that these effects are as prevalent or severe as they are being made out.

Pornography Statistics | Women's Services

• Size of the Industry $57.0 billion world-wide - $12.0 billion US

-Adult Videos $20.0 billion
-Escort Services $11.0 billion
-Magazines $ 7.5 billion
-Sex Clubs $ 5.0 billion
-Phone Sex $ 4.5 billion
-Cable & Pay Per View $ 2.5 billion
-Internet $ 2.5 billion
-CD-Rom $ 1.5 billion
-Novelties $ 1.0 billion
-Other $ 1.5 billion

• Porn revenue is larger than all combined revenues of all professional football, baseball and basketball franchises.
  
  
• US porn revenue exceeds the combined revenues of ABC, CBS, and NBC (6.2 billion)
  
  
• Child pornography generates $3 billion annually

Internet Porn Statistics

• Pornographic websites 4.2 million (12% of total websites)
  
  
• Pornographic pages 372 million
  
  
• Daily pornographic search engine requests 68 million (25% of total search engine requests)
  
  
• Daily pornographic emails 2.5 billion (8% of total emails)
  
  
• Average daily pornographic emails/user 4.5 per Internet user
  
  
• Monthly Pornographic downloads (Peer-to-peer) 1.5 billion (35% of all downloads)
  
  
• Daily Gnutella “child pornography” requests 116 thousand
  
  
• Websites offering illegal child pornography 100 thousand
  
  
• Sexual solicitations of youth made in chat rooms 89%
  
  
• Youths who received sexual solicitation 20%
  
  
• Worldwide visitors to pornographic web sites 72 million annually

Children's Exposure to Pornography

• Average age of first Internet exposure to pornography 11 years old
  
  
• Largest consumer of Internet pornography 12-17 age group
  
  
• 15-17 year olds having multiple hard-core exposures 80%
  
  
• 8-16 year olds having viewed porn online 90% (most while doing homework)
  
  
• 7-17 year olds who would freely give out home address 29%
  
  
• 7-17 year olds who would freely give out email address 14%
  
  
• Children's characters linked to thousands of porn links 26 (including Pokeman and Action Man) rule 34

Adult Internet Porn Statistics

• Men admitting to accessing pornography at work 20%
  
  
• US adults who regularly visit Internet pornography websites 40 million
  
  
• Promise Keeper men who viewed pornography in last week 53%
  
  
• Christians who said pornography is a major problem in the home 47%
  
  
• Adults admitting to Internet sexual addiction 10%
  
  
• Breakdown of male/female visitors to pornography sites 72% male - 28% female

Women and Pornography

• 13% of Women admit to accessing pornography at work.
  
  
• 70% of women keep their cyber activities secret.
  
  
• 17% of all women struggle with pornography addiction.
  
  
• Women, far more than men, are likely to act out their behaviors in real life, such as having multiple partners, casual sex, or affairs.
  
  
• Women favor chat rooms 2X more than men.
  
  
• 1 of 3 visitors to all adult web sites are women.
  
  
• 9.4 million women access adult web sites each month.

These statistics have been derived from a number of reputable sources including

Alexa research, NRC,PBS, WordTracker, Google, and MSNBC.

Obtained from Pornography Statistics

Given that BYU is a religious university, I doubled checked this 1:3 stat and found this

More Women Are Watching Porn - Yahoo Voices - voices.yahoo.com
Nielsen/Net ratings indicate that about one-in-three visitors to adult entertainment websites are female, with nearly 13 million American women checking out porn online once a month. In addition, according to a survey on "risqué behavior," of over 1,000 men and women, conducted by The Sun:

• 66% of women watch porn
• 57% of women watch porn with their partner
• 87% of women that view porn are married or in a relationship
• 10% of women that view porn are single
• 6% of women admitted to watching porn once a day
• 26% of women admitted to watching porn once a month
• Out of the 57 % of women who watch porn with a partner, a third regularly use it as part of foreplay, while 41% admit to having watched it several times with their man.

Theresa Flynt, vice president of marketing for Hustler video, says that women account for 56 percent of business at her company's video stores. "And the female audience is increasing," she adds. "Women are buying more porn." And according to female director Candida Royalle's, her erotic videos which are made expressly for women viewers, sell at the rate of approximately 10,000 copies a month.

Do you see pornography as "unequivocally causing disruptions among the psyche of young women" as well?