Religion/Spirituality The Intelligent Design/God/Theism Thread

[blackzeus]

false.

bayes is often misused by charlatans like yourself who try to apply it to the unknown...and you can not do this.

"complexity" is a human demarcation of utility.

It bears no significant meaning in the real world.

False. Probability is different from deterministic prediction...which statistics doesn't do, but only reflects on.

You just don't like the fact that life exists without inserting your god into it. Stop dancing.


Go read your wiki page on frequentist statistics.

It can not be usefully applied to the unknown.

Stop perverting statistics with this inane bullshyt.

This is just like the fukking Watchmaker Fallacy

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_design

1) The irony of YOU mentioning Bayesian statistics then calling me a charlatan for proving I'M NOT using it is truly hilarious breh

2) Yes, it's fallacious to infer because a watch has a designer, a tiger must have a designer. It's not fallacious however to state it's statistically probable. That's the major difference between ID and the creation theory. Creationists use comparative logic, ID uses empirical data, refer you again to post #5, get educated on ID before you speak on it, that's what this whole f*ckin' thread is about

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

1) The irony of YOU mentioning Bayesian statistics then calling me a charlatan for proving I'M NOT using it is truly hilarious breh

2) Yes, it's fallacious to infer because a watch has a designer, a tiger must have a designer. It's not fallacious however to state it's statistically probable. That's the major difference between ID and the creation theory. Creationists use comparative logic, ID uses empirical data, refer you again to post #5, get educated on ID before you speak on it, that's what this whole f*ckin' thread is about

Wait...did you say theres a difference between creationism and intelligent design?

Fam, both your arguments rely on the notion that everything is too complicated for you, therefore god did it.

 

[blackzeus]

"complexity" is a human demarcation of utility.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/complexity

complexity
noun
1
the state or quality of having many interrelated parts or aspects <the complexity of the company's computer system is such that a full-time repairman is needed>

Talk statistics and lack a mastery of high school level English brehs.

EDIT: Please note I am trying to refrain from ad hominems, but you are literally redefining words to suit your argument

 

[blackzeus]

Wait...did you say theres a difference between creationism and intelligent design?

Fam, both your arguments rely on the notion that everything is too complicated for you, therefore god did it.

Did you not read the first 4 pages of this thread? I refer you to post #12, it's on the first f*ckin' page Please stop twisting the concept of ID. To try to simplify it as much as possible for you, ID states that everything we know exists by intelligent design, due to the statistical improbability that the universe is the happenstance of a chance occurrence, or more directly, of randomness. while a proponent of ID CAN be a proponent of Creationism, they are not the same, not even close, anymore than a Buddhist who is a proponent of Christ

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

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im out of this thread. robespierre has aspergers

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

while a proponent of ID CAN be a proponent of Creationism, they are not the same, not even close

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Pandas_and_People#Pandas_and_.22cdesign_proponentsists.22

INTELLIGENT DESIGN REALLY IS CREATIONISM RENAMED, BROTHER!

 

[blackzeus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Pandas_and_People#Pandas_and_.22cdesign_proponentsists.22

INTELLIGENT DESIGN REALLY IS CREATIONISM RENAMED, BROTHER!

So Plato was a creationist? So because Congress changed "creation" to "intelligent design", that means ID is creationism? If tomorrow Congress said "all Japanese are Communists and should be interred, does that make it a fact?

 

[blackzeus]

So Plato was a creationist? So because Congress changed "creation" to "intelligent design", that means ID is creationism? If tomorrow Congress said "all Japanese are Communists and should be interred, does that make it a fact?

EDIT: And what do these red herrings have to do with the ID's premise?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Did you not read the first 4 pages of this thread? I refer you to post #12, it's on the first f*ckin' page Please stop twisting the concept of ID. To try to simplify it as much as possible for you, ID states that everything we know exists by intelligent design, due to the statistical improbability that the universe is the happenstance of a chance occurrence, or more directly, of randomness. while a proponent of ID CAN be a proponent of Creationism, they are not the same, not even close, anymore than a Buddhist who is a proponent of Christ

Yeah, this shyt is too complex for you to fathom, therefore god did it.

Like I said.

 

[blackzeus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Pandas_and_People#Pandas_and_.22cdesign_proponentsists.22

INTELLIGENT DESIGN REALLY IS CREATIONISM RENAMED, BROTHER!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligent_design#History

While intelligent design proponents have pointed out past examples of the phrase intelligent design which they said were not creationist and faith-based, they have failed to show that these usages had any influence on those who introduced the label in the intelligent design movement.

Not everybody who flags is really a gang banger breh, in ID, just like in atheism () you have people misrepresenting the idea of ID

 

[blackzeus]

Yeah, this shyt is too complex for you to fathom, therefore god did it.

Like I said.

Let's just agree to disagree breh, you're a broken tape recorder right now. Statistical improbability = lack of ability to understand now?

 

[blackzeus]

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im out of this thread. robespierre has aspergers

you gon' let ignorance win? this thread started out so beautifully

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

So because Congress changed "creation" to "intelligent design", that means ID is creationism?

Congress didn't make that change. The creationist activists, who were trying to use public schools to promote their religious beliefs, went through their creationist textbook and changed each instance of "creationist" to "intelligent design proponent." They only did this because the courts told them, in no uncertain terms, that creationism is not science, it's religion, and the public schools won't be used to violate the establishment clause.

Then they went to court again and lost because it was easy to see through their bullshyt, which you're simply regurgitating here.

 

[blackzeus]

Congress didn't make that change. The creationist activists, who were trying to use public schools to promote their religious beliefs, went through their creationist textbook and changed each instance of "creationist" to "intelligent design proponent." They only did this because the courts told them, in no uncertain terms, that creationism is not science, it's religion, and the public schools won't be used to violate the establishment clause.

Then they went to court again and lost because it was easy to see through their bullshyt, which you're simply regurgitating here.

So let me get this straight, creationists tried to graft their theory with that of ID, so that their message could continue in public schools, and somehow that's ID's fault?

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

So let me get this straight, creationists tried to graft their theory with that of ID, so that their message could continue in public schools, and somehow that's ID's fault?

"Intelligent design is just the Logos theology of John's Gospel restated in the idiom of information theory." --- William Dembski, creationist and "Intelligent Design" proponent