Of course it isn't solely youtube videos, but it's the most real, substantial and legitimate evidence anyone has showed. Cause like I said it isn't close, it has MILLIONS more. There is a reason it has MILLIONS more when both albums are on there. I'm not making a point about quality, it's about how many people fukk with it worldwide. Infamous is like an iconic album worldwide. Who doesn't know Shook Ones 2? If you look at it there was like 3 or 4 songs from Infamous that had more than ANY Cube song from DC. The only reason I posted that was cause people were saying untruths like no-one knows Mobb Deep outside QB, that is crazy and definitely false.
The Infamous vs Death Certificate
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Of course it isn't solely youtube videos, but it's the most real, substantial and legitimate evidence anyone has showed. Cause like I said it isn't close, it has MILLIONS more. There is a reason it has MILLIONS more when both albums are on there. I'm not making a point about quality, it's about how many people fukk with it worldwide. Infamous is like an iconic album worldwide. Who doesn't know Shook Ones 2? If you look at it there was like 3 or 4 songs from Infamous that had more than ANY Cube song from DC. The only reason I posted that was cause people were saying untruths like no-one knows Mobb Deep outside QB, that is crazy and definitely false.
If you never felt the depression of growing up in the hood you cant truly appreciate the greatness of the infamous anywayThere are some legitimate criticisms of The Infamous, repetitive beats being one, beats that aged far better than DC production but never the less a legitimate gripe, but anyone dismissing it as just a bunch of generic empty gangsta rap doesn't know what they're talking about. The album is every bit as socially reflective as DC, it just doesn't have the opinions & sideline observations because they was in it, while Cube was a nikka on the outside looking in, which makes it better than DC imo. The emotional connection is there with Infamous that just isn't with DC. Infamous captures the combination of anger, depression & hopelessness of the lost & ostracized adolescents in the ghetto in a way that no album ever has in the history of music. Album should be a point of reference for sociologists, album should be preserved for historians, the music & poetry on infamous is as significant and potent as on 'Strange Fruit', this is the 1990's version of Strange Fruit.
I wouldn't say Infamous was just empty gangsta rap, but it was definitely gangsta rap and not much else. Doesn't take away from it's classic status tho. And it's nowhere near as socially reflective as DC, that's bullshyt and you know it. and saying they were in it and Cube wasn't, nigg how do you know? Were you living with them or something? How do you know what Cube did or didn't do? Or what Prodigy and Havoc daily lives were? You're just making assumptions now. Cube at that point wasn't a 50/Jay type nikka where he had so much money he was far removed from those elements. Cube was surrounded by just as many gangsters as Mobb Deep was at that time. How do you know his level of involvement at the time? How do you know if he didn't kick it in South Central daily? You don't. And he spoke on most of the issues on DC from a first person perspective. And you saying there's an emotional connection to Infamous and not D.C. is purely a personal opinion. One that I think many would disagree with. Me for one.
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False. "DC" came out in '91, "The Infamous" came out in '95. There was rap message boards in '93....there was zero rap message boards in '91. Less than half of 1% of the U.S. population had the internet in '91. The mid 90's the internet had started to explode. Obviously Youtube didn't exist back then, but rap fans using the internet grew right along side Mobb Deep's rise....which is why dumb shyt like "Youtube views" is even a factor in this discussion.
And no, Youtube views means absolutely nothing. Again, look at my Wu-Tang comparison. Or, "1st Of The Month" has 3.5 million views, slightly more than "Survival Of The Fittest"....who in their right mind would argue these songs are equally well known? One is off an album that struggled to go gold, one is off a 4x plat seller.
Because Mobb Deep wasn't even that big while NY was on top....the fukk makes you people think they're big now, over seas?
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Thank you. Anyone mentioning Youtube is retarded. There's songs out now that are from albums that didn't even sell 100,000 copies that have 10 million views, and songs that were huge billboard hits that don't even have a million. Means nothing.
The fact that the Youtube view numbers are all over the place for the artists you listed should be a big ass clue there's no kind of rhyme or reason to them.
And no....I've yet to see anybody other than Mobb Deep stans say they "stopped updating their sales". I've never heard that in my life. By that logic I could sit here and say "oh, they stopped updating Cube's numbers, DC went diamond".
Mobb Deep has one plat album in their entire discography. That's it. The only place Mobb Deep is bigger than Cube is inside your mind.
You're delusional. There's no nice way to put it. You say things that are impossible to prove....they stopped updating their sales....you know hip-hop heads world-wide. shyt is retarded. They stopped updating sales for ALL their albums?
Let's say you do know hip-hop heads world-wide....there's 7 billion people on the planet, it's meaningless. There's no way you know enough people for that to matter either way.
Factually, Mobb Deep never sold anywhere near as much as Cube. They weren't even a top tier group in NY, when NY was on top. They were never a Wu or BIG or Nas type group. They were B-list, selling gold when the others were multi-plat.
Cube was an A-list artist on his coast and nation-wide when "DC" dropped. Hell, he was big before that off the strength of "Straight Outta Compton". Cube going solo....merely going solo....received more attention than Mobb Deep did in their entire career. I have no idea what year you got into rap but comparing Cube to Mobb Deep is like comparing 50 Cent circa '04 to Rick Ross at any point in his career. Not necessarily sales wise, I mean mainstream buzz and over all popularity. For you to not know that, you either got into rap well after '91, or were severely sheltered from anything non-NY related until the mid 90's.
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And Cube was in South Central L.A. all during his early career, so "he was on the outside looking in" is false. How do people think Solo ran into him? Not saying he was some kind of super thug but he's no more/less of a studio gangster than Mobb Deep is.
Fred.
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I don't know what you mean. Was talking about the album DC vs the album The Infamous, it isn't all over the place in that regard, Infamous has MILLIONS more on something that is worldwide based.
I think mobbinfms is a very reasonable poster, I disagree with him sometimes but he's civil and reasonable, I don't believe he's lying about it, don't see why he would as he's a huge Ice Cube fan. The other brother who said it is cool too as far as I'm aware. To be honest in these threads I haven't seen anybody really STANNIN P while I've seen massive STANNIN of Cube. Like I'm not a Cube hater at all, I acknowledged DC has some great songs, I DO think it's an overated album as a whole though, but that's my personal feelings, it's regarded as a very dope album, but what I don't get is the downplaying of Infamous, I've literally never heard that bar this forum from anybody. But it's just opinions no issues, I said so many times Cube is a legend and a superstar and a good rapper.
The youtube views isn't inside my mind. You can't change the argument now, I'm NOT arguing Cube vs Mobb Deep. I'm arguing Infamous vs DC. The facts speak for themselves. But people wanna ignore
rationality.
I know A LOT of Hip Hop heads worldwide, course not 7 bill lol. But I know artists worldwide too, people know P. Do you know the producer Beat Butcha or Chemo? I said what I know because people said NO-ONE knows Mobb Deep worldwide, when every Hip Hop head I know knows them. Infamous is a BIG deal. You keep comparing Cube to Mobb Deep, again that is NOT my point AT ALL. I know Cube is bigger than Mobb, that's obvious, I'm talking about the two albums.
I know DC was big at the time, course it was, but I'm talking NOW. Now worldwide Infamous is more talked about, listened to, and people know more songs from it than DC. Like I said before, who doesn't know Shook Ones?
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How many of you remember this commercial from 95'? It was getting much airplay in NYC(possibly other regions) because The Infamous was that hot back then.
Lol at anyone acting it's a random thing that Infamous has multiple songs with masses of more views than any song from DC lol. Denial lol.
Lol at people thinking no-one knows Infamous outside of U.S lol. Utter denial.
I wonder if can find the statistics for the views, that would tell an INTERESTING story lol...
In Germany, another language and they know the lyrics and shyt...
France
Japan
Lol at people thinking no-one knows Infamous outside of U.S lol. Utter denial.
I wonder if can find the statistics for the views, that would tell an INTERESTING story lol...
In Germany, another language and they know the lyrics and shyt...
France
Japan
A "Shook Ones" instrumental in a Sprite commercial isn't an indication of how hot they were. AZ was in a Sprite commercial back then, and he was a C tier artist.
That's like saying Cube was obviously bigger than Mobb Deep nation-wide because he starred in "Boyz N The Hood" and "Higher Learning". Hell, it would make more sense than the Sprite commercial but I still wouldn't use it as an example.
Fred.
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Pass me the rock nikka
Dudes in here being revisionist simple as that. Using RIAA plaques to try and say what's hot and what's not. Like they now anything about the certification process, as if the RIAA is at all consistent in updating especially in hip hop for the most part.
The Infamous and Hell On Earth are not certified Platinum, yet to think they haven't sold a million to this day is ignorant as hell given that these albums are critically acclaimed, certified classics that went Gold in months.
No-one knows them apart from QB though?
Why do they know the lyrics in Chicago then?
What about in Warshaw?
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No-one knows them, when they have songs with 30 million views on youtube. But no-one knows them, is there 30 million people on their block or something then?
Why do they know the lyrics in Chicago then?
What about in Warshaw?
San Diego
No-one knows them, when they have songs with 30 million views on youtube. But no-one knows them, is there 30 million people on their block or something then?
But people on your side of the argument are using Youtube views, and it's ok.
You cats are all over the place. There is literally hundreds of rap albums that have up-to-date certification, but somehow Mobb Deep's entire discography fell through the cracks. I've literally never heard that argument applied to any other rap group, nor have I ever heard of a wide spread problem with RIAA certification of rap albums. So again....what proof do you have of any of this, since we're talking about revisionist history. The only revisionist history I see is people trying to make Mobb Deep out to be more than they actually were.
Fred.