The importance of the number 0

[Brown_Pride]

We set these parameters with our minds... these task are what we give ourselves, but really the days go on regardless if we do them or not...

I guess this is gonna come off as smart dumb, but here's a few corrections for you

lol nice catch on the year thing, while my point was technically wrong because of hte actual mechanics, the point still stands. Or rather let me revise:
A new day is nothing more than the result of ONE spinning ball.

Bottom line is the point still stands.

1) "A new day is nothing more than the result of one ball going around another ball ": No, a new day is only the result of the earth's spin and it's relation to the other ball...... the Year is what reflects the ball going around the other ball but that 150 kilometers out leaves enough space for the earth to tilt enough and provide seasons that go in order and rotate. The years go on and on..... Everything is on rotation. Nothing stops resets and all the shyt we put up in our minds to make it seem that was are an illusion. There is no magic, as u stated, but things are just measure in time, starts, stops and other random bs- because that's what we made up --- those things are as valid as the concept of god and the holy ghost - it's just that those things seem real and god seems like it's the only thing made up. We see things that "aren't true - like energy lost (dying, blowing shyt up, etc) Energy is never lost, time is never lost, nothing ever stops, and numbers never end.

outside of the technical correction i have no god damn clue what you're talking about? Maybe it's all the esoteric math speak but ultimately hte point being made isn't clear...i'm being generous in say that there is an actual point btw, if there is a point in either what you respond with or what the OP is getting at then make the point, keep the fuzzy math proofs out of it...at least that way we can judge the point apart from the proof.

2) "This has NOTHING to do with the concept of zero or base ten mathematics"

: Well, Buddha says "“What we think, we become.” Why would we wanna become limited??

did i say that? These number are only hear because we think them. The rules for them are only there because we made them. Everything is connected to the concept of zero... only in the sense that without an understanding of it you don't understand that there is no "nothing".

As mentioned first book for the rule on Zero was called : The Opening of the Universe saying zero divided by zero is zero. Understanding that there is a value to zero. The concept of zero makes this an invalid statement " This has NOTHING to do with the concept of zero or base ten mathematics" Some buddist think that 0= voidness but that voidness isn't nothingness but that "all things lack intrinsic reality, intrinsic objectivity, intrinsic identity or intrinsic referentiality. Lacking such static essence or substance does not make them not exist —- it makes them thoroughly relative" It's difficult to explain on here, but 10 is just the first number that isn't 0 that contains the number 0 it all starts over like the way I described the Earth's rotation and is opposite of the way you described the balls going around the other balls.

what about 1.01? again, if there's a point to be made stop trying to prove it with fuzzy math, it's not making the point any clearer and if anything is detracting from a possible good point (again i'm being generous).

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

But what if I don't choose base 10 to represent counting friend?

If I use tick marks as Brown Pride said?

& & & & & & & & & & &

That's 11.

It doesn't matter what you use. That's the point. Take a digit away from our number system, you're still gonna have to "start over" somewhere. Add as many digits as you want, you're still gonna have to "start over" somewhere.

Use tick marks if you like, but eventually you will run out of space and have to "start over" on a new line.

Our numerals, no matter what they look like and what their base number is, are just symbols representing an idea.

If I take the numeral 6 out of the number system and we both count "15" units, I'll be at "14" while you'll be at "15". These numerals only mean what we say they mean. Does 14=15? Only if we agree that I skipped number 6, this making our values even. When you got to 9 you "began" a tens place. I didn't "begin" my tens place until a full unit later. No. The truth is, neither one of us "began" over, only our representations of the value being expressed.

 

[WhiteDawg3000]

LOL

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

@Shabazz Mathematics Allah , SINCE YOU ARE AN EXPERT IN MATH, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH SOME OF MY SON'S HOMEWORK, BROTHER?

Problem 1. Find the solution to:

Problem 2. Solve the initial value problem

Problem 3. The fox squirrel is a small mammal native to the Rocky Mountains. These squirrels are very territorial:

• if the population is large, their rate of growth decreases or even becomes negative;
• if the population is too small, fertile adults run the risk of not being able to find suitable mates, so again the rate of growth is negative

The carrying capacity N indicates what population is too big, and the sparsity parameter M indicates when the population is too small. A mathematical model which will agree with the above assumptions is the modified logistic model:

1.
Find the equilibrium (critical) points. Classify them as : source, sink or node. Justify your answers.
2.
Sketch the slope-field.
3.
Assume N=100 and M=1 and k = 1. Sketch the graph of the solution which satisfies the initial condition y(0)=20.
4.
Assume that squirrels are emigrating (from a certain region) with a fixed rate E. Write down the new differential equation.
Discuss the equilibrium (critical) points under the parameter E. When do you observe a bifurcation?

Problem 4. Consider the autonomous differential equation

where the graph of f(y) is

1.
Sketch the Slope Fields of this differential equation
Hint: the graph of the solutions and the graph of f(y) are two different entities!
2.
Sketch the graph of the solution to the IVP

Find the

3.
Sketch the graph of the solution to the IVP

Find the

 

[Hip-Hop-Bulls]

lol nice catch on the year thing, while my point was technically wrong because of hte actual mechanics, the point still stands. Or rather let me revise:
A new day is nothing more than the result of ONE spinning ball.

Bottom line is the point still stands.


outside of the technical correction i have no god damn clue what you're talking about? Maybe it's all the esoteric math speak but ultimately hte point being made isn't clear...i'm being generous in say that there is an actual point btw, if there is a point in either what you respond with or what the OP is getting at then make the point, keep the fuzzy math proofs out of it...at least that way we can judge the point apart from the proof.


did i say that? These number are only hear because we think them. The rules for them are only there because we made them. Everything is connected to the concept of zero... only in the sense that without an understanding of it you don't understand that there is no "nothing".


what about 1.01? again, if there's a point to be made stop trying to prove it with fuzzy math, it's not making the point any clearer and if anything is detracting from a possible good point (again i'm being generous).

Many examples of the cycle process was given, but if I'm understanding your posts, you don't acknowledge cycles. You just believe that life is just one straight line basically. From the beginning(whenever that was) til now. If I have a tough life growing up, and I get involved in gangs etc and get locked up, are you saying I can't renew my history and start over?

 

[Hip-Hop-Bulls]

@Shabazz Mathematics Allah , SINCE YOU ARE AN EXPERT IN MATH, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH SOME OF MY SON'S HOMEWORK, BROTHER?

Add on or keep it moving brother. Never said I was an 'expert' and that wasn't the point of the thread. I'm dealing with the simple mathematics of life. Supreme Mathematics.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Add on or keep it moving brother. Never said I was an 'expert' and that wasn't the point of the thread. I'm dealing with the simple mathematics of life. Supreme Mathematics.

SO YOU'RE A "GOD" AND YOU HAVE "SUPREME" MATH BUT YOU'RE COMPLETELY UNFAMILIAR WITH BASIC DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS, BROTHER? YOUR LEVEL OF "KNOWLEDGE" IS LESS THAN THAT OF A COLLEGE FRESHMAN, DUDE! THIS CRITICISM IS ADDING SOMETHING VALUABLE TO THIS DISCUSSION, MEAN GENE! YOU'RE A JARGON-SPITTING LOSER, BROTHER!

 

[Hip-Hop-Bulls]

SO YOU'RE A "GOD" AND YOU HAVE "SUPREME" MATH BUT YOU'RE COMPLETELY UNFAMILIAR WITH BASIC DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS, BROTHER? YOUR LEVEL OF "KNOWLEDGE" IS LESS THAN THAT OF A COLLEGE FRESHMAN, DUDE! THIS CRITICISM IS ADDING SOMETHING VALUABLE TO THIS DISCUSSION, MEAN GENE! YOU'RE A JARGON-SPITTING LOSER, BROTHER!

Pardon self if having a piece of paper from college is what makes me qualified to speak on the daily mathematics that we all live out. That which you posted above will not save me or anyone else's life. Knowing the laws of the universe and living them out accordingly though? It gets no better. Again, keep it moving brother.

Peace

 

[Type Username Here]

Explain this.

Let's say you and I are counting points in a basketball game. We both count 5 buckets. I count 5 points, you count 10. So in this case, my 5 = your 10 right? 5 baskets is 5 baskets, regardless of how you count them, by 1's, 2's, 3.14's, tick marks, whatever.

No matter how you count it, what we know as the number 5 is the amount of baskets that were made, right? I say that to say this... numbers are a tool. We use them to measure quantities of units. Numbers are a mathematical alphabet, if you will. Certain symbols represent certain sounds, we all them letters. Certain symbols represent certain values, we call them numbers.

So now let's consider counting time. Time is infinite, would you agree. Yet we say 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11

or easier seen

01
02
03
04
05
06
07
08
09
10
11

So after 0, we started at 1 again, in the ones place right? Because that's how our number system works. Decimal. Based on 10 digits. But 10 doesn't represent the end of our counting, even though we're starting back at 1. So did that 0 really represent the end? It represented the end of a set in our number system but in terms of time, what we're counting, that "0" doesn't exist and there is no "starting back at one". Time just keeps going.


As you said:



But what is really beginning? Nothing relative. Just a reference for us, but in reality, what our numbers represent as "beginning" is actually "continuing".

"We" begin a tens column but time knows no such boundaries.

Friend, I honestly mean this in a sincere way, but this comes across to me as New Age nonsense. It's something that might come across deep to some, but not to me. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather be in here debating this with you over 90% of the other shyt on this site, but I can't cosign this.

To each his own.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

That which you posted above will not save me or anyone else's life.

THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE WRONG, BROTHER! LEARNING REAL MATH CAN LEAD TO A FAMILY-SUPPORTING CAREER IN ENGINEERING, CHEMISTRY, ECONOMICS, AND ANY NUMBER OF OTHER VALUABLE OCCUPATIONS THAT REQUIRE A STRONG MATH BACKGROUND, DUDE! LEARNING "SUPREME" MATH LEADS TO BITING THE WU-TANG CLAN, MEAN GENE!

 

[Type Username Here]

THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE WRONG, BROTHER! LEARNING REAL MATH CAN LEAD TO A FAMILY-SUPPORTING CAREER IN ENGINEERING, CHEMISTRY, ECONOMICS, AND ANY NUMBER OF OTHER VALUABLE OCCUPATIONS THAT REQUIRE A STRONG MATH BACKGROUND, DUDE! LEARNING "SUPREME" MATH LEADS TO BITING THE WU-TANG CLAN, MEAN GENE!

Don't put Economics in there with the rest, especially in referencing occupations/disciplines that are supposedly valuable to the human race.

Spot on though.

 

[Hip-Hop-Bulls]

THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE WRONG, BROTHER! LEARNING REAL MATH CAN LEAD TO A FAMILY-SUPPORTING CAREER IN ENGINEERING, CHEMISTRY, ECONOMICS, AND ANY NUMBER OF OTHER VALUABLE OCCUPATIONS THAT REQUIRE A STRONG MATH BACKGROUND, DUDE! LEARNING "SUPREME" MATH LEADS TO BITING THE WU-TANG CLAN, MEAN GENE!

Yup, they may have good careers but that's not what I was talking about. Pardon self but life is much more than the work you get paid for. Maybe or maybe you don't understand that. But knowing life's laws and their order is the best thing to happen to me. There's no limitation to what I can do(within the boundaries).

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

Yup, they may have good careers but that's not what I was talking about. Pardon self but life is much more than the work you get paid for. Maybe or maybe you don't understand that. But knowing life's laws and their order is the best thing to happen to me. There's no limitation to what I can do(within the boundaries).

LIFE IS ABOUT PROVIDING FOR YOUR FAMILY, BROTHER! THAT'S WHAT A MAN DOES, DUDE! I'M GOING TO GUESS YOU DON'T HAVE ANY KIDS BECAUSE YOUR PRIORITIES ARE JUST NONSENSICAL, MEAN GENE!

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Friend, I honestly mean this in a sincere way, but this comes across to me as New Age nonsense. It's something that might come across deep to some, but not to me. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather be in here debating this with you over 90% of the other shyt on this site, but I can't cosign this.

To each his own.

It's really not deep at all, breh.

When we count, when we get to 10, we start again at 1 even though the thing we're counting may not be starting over.

This isn't even philosophical to me, it's a very simple fact.

In order to count to 15, I must first exhaust all digits then start the process over with another 1 in the ones place. My 3 year old learns this in pre-school, nothing "new age" about it.

Maybe you're looking too deep because this seems like an easy concept to grasp. Especially since you've already consigned without even knowing it. You said when we get to 9 we begin a tens place. Did you "begin" life again at age 10 or is that just a limitation of our number system?

 

[Hip-Hop-Bulls]

LIFE IS ABOUT PROVIDING FOR YOUR FAMILY, BROTHER! THAT'S WHAT A MAN DOES, DUDE! I'M GOING TO GUESS YOU DON'T HAVE ANY KIDS BECAUSE YOUR PRIORITIES ARE JUST NONSENSICAL, MEAN GENE!

Classic example of someone living out the math the wrong way smh. Brother, you don't know me, and while I don't have kids, I know my priorities are right & exact. I teach others to educate themselves, either through college or self education, and I work 6 days out the week for the bills. Do the knowledge before trying to get at me brother. You have done well in derailing the thread, so I will not reply to any more of your posts.

Peace!