The GOAT spitting Ether at Shaq

[Lakerman0834]

Kobe had Pau, Bynum, Lamar, Ariza/Artest, and Fish during those 2009 and 2010 championship runs.

The nerve of anyone to act like these Laker championship teams weren't super talented beyond their superstars.

And I could probably argue that Pau is an all-time great big men. It's not too much of a reach. Shiiiiiet, for the modern big man, he's a damn near gawd. Stop frontin.

And Bynum was having a breakout year during that 30-16 start. Point blank, Kobe has done no more with the talent around him than any other great player.

Those teams aint as talented as Pippen/Jordan/Rodman/Kukoc or Bosh/Bron/Wade Kobe won wit a bunch of losers/underachievers

 

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Kobe had Pau, Bynum, Lamar, Ariza/Artest, and Fish during those 2009 and 2010 championship runs.

The nerve of anyone to act like these Laker championship teams weren't super talented beyond their superstars.

And I could probably argue that Pau is an all-time great big men. It's not too much of a reach. Shiiiiiet, for the modern big man, he's a damn near gawd. Stop frontin.

And Bynum was having a breakout year during that 30-16 start. Point blank, Kobe has done no more with the talent around him than any other great player.

wrong.

sorry, an always hurt bynum on one leg at center. gasol who i like a lot turning into a girl every other day. ariza hit a lot of 3's that year. but yet he cant seem to hit them anymore since he's left the lakers. i wonder why? he's wide open since know one trusts his jumper. why cant he hit? smush parker had the best year of his life as a laker. went to the heat and got kicked out of the nba ever since. what happen? dwade was there, what happen?

lol at kobe doesnt make his teammates better.

kwame cant catch brown had his highest fg% of his career by far playing next to ... KOBE BRYANT.

MJ didnt make kerr better. kerr was a marksmen out of college. the guy was money on the suns and the cavs for most of his time there. yes kerr had his highest 3pt% playing with all the legends on the bulls. but it wasnt a ton higher then it was his 2nd year in the nba playing with the cavs( a not so bad team that year).

and lets not forget pippen was passing it to kerr as much or more then mj was.

kwame got most of his passes from kobe. fisher got most of his kick outs from kobe. smush got all of his kick outs from kobe.

remember what i said about mj having 1 job vs kobe having 2. no matter what the stats show in apg. that isnt going to show you who had the job of being the floor general and setup guy. run the offense guy. and that wont show you how you miss assists because kwame will drop a pass in a heart beat . lets not forget what old man MJ called a young kwame that broke his spirit.

 

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For the most part I agree with this........there is ONE thing though....

The Lakers had one of the best records in the league that year BEFORE the Pau Gasol trade.


People tend to both not give Pau enough credit and give him too much credit.

actually someone has one a ship alone. Hakeem did it once all by his lonesome.
1994 people. he's the only one to ever pull that off. which is why i inclined to put him in the GOAT discussion. no one else was able to do more with less then he was. some will say dirk. NOPE. and notice dirk didnt repeat either. but thats another story. Jason terry was proven. sam cassel was a rookie. horry was a kid still.

 

[Rekkapryde]

Back on Topic...Snaq don't want it with Cap.

 

[Street Knowledge]

Kobe had Pau, Bynum, Lamar, Ariza/Artest, and Fish during those 2009 and 2010 championship runs.

The nerve of anyone to act like these Laker championship teams weren't super talented beyond their superstars.

And I could probably argue that Pau is an all-time great big men. It's not too much of a reach. Shiiiiiet, for the modern big man, he's a damn near gawd. Stop frontin.

And Bynum was having a breakout year during that 30-16 start. Point blank, Kobe has done no more with the talent around him than any other great player.

are u serious?

Bynum never played from February on in 2008. And when he did play in the 09' and 10' playoffs he averaged 7 points and 3 rebounds in about 20 MPG. Please don't make Bynum out to be more then he actually was, he was a role player nothing more nothing less(like ariza in 09') so was odom who's a bench guy. Fish was... Fish

 

[iPod Raheem 2.0]

Those teams aint as talented as Pippen/Jordan/Rodman/Kukoc or Bosh/Bron/Wade Kobe won wit a bunch of losers/underachievers

Maybe not, but they weren't garbage either. I actually think it's closer than you think.

I think Pau has been a strong No. 2 for the Lakers. Maybe not on the level of Pippen but I think he's been just as good if not better than Wade as the No. 2.

Also, you have to consider that Pau has taken a lesser role since being with the Lakers, just like Wade did during the Heat's 2012 championship run, in order to accommodate Kobe and serve the Laker's team needs better. In short, he's better than you think.

Moreover, the Pau-Bynum frontcourt has arguably been the best in the L since 2009. How can you discredit this? How has Kobe not benefited from this?

 

[iPod Raheem 2.0]

are u serious?

Bynum never played from February on in 2008. And when he did play in the 09' and 10' playoffs he averaged 7 points and 3 rebounds in about 20 MPG. Please don't make Bynum out to be more then he actually was, he was a role player nothing more nothing less(like ariza in 09') so was odom who's a bench guy. Fish was... Fish

I'm just saying they weren't garbage.

I may have overstated Bynum's role, specifically his playoff performances. He helped them win regular season games, though. I actually thought it made a difference just to have him on the court in 2010 during Game 7 while Kendrick was riding that pine.

The Lakers don't even get past the Nuggets in 2009 without Ariza's steals, don't even front.

I see you ain't try to diminish Pau's importance

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

Zero. Being a Laker helped him out greatly. Just like being a Laker helped Kobe out greatly. Why do you think Dwight wanted to be traded to LA? Why did Steve Nash choose LA? Why did Shaq choose LA? Why did the Mailman and the Glove go to LA in the twilight of their careers? Last question, if Kobe would've been stuck on the Hornets, you think he still has the same kind of career?

Kobe in the east? Many more scoring titles. Maybe one less ring. Maybe. Kobe has been proven he can be built around. Then you want to put him in the eastern conference too? Easy work. Easy money. Probably easier than the western finals.

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

how many playoff series Kobe win without Shaq or Pau?

Zero. Your point? Oh you didn't have one. But let's put things in perspective.
Chuck Atkins ,Lamar odom, Luke walton, Chris mihm, Brian cook, Kwame brown,etc. In the west. The west where teams with sub .500 records cant make the playoffs. But that's what happens when you use context.

 

[iPod Raheem 2.0]

Kobe in the east? Many more scoring titles. Maybe one less ring. Maybe. Kobe has been proven he can be built around. Then you want to put him in the eastern conference too? Easy work. Easy money. Probably easier than the western finals.

So we ain't gonna given Jerry West, Mitch, or Jerry Buss any credit for Kobe's success

Sure that nikka has balled out on the court--can't take that away from him-- BUT the Lakers organization has built good teams around him

You acting as if it's as simple as put Kobe there and they will come

If (and who the fukk cares about ifs, right? ) Kobe would've stayed with the Hornets, he would've finished his rookie contract with no ships and then signed to none other than...the Lakers--because let's face it, players are attracted to winning organizations

 

[Mic-Nificent]

I'm just saying they weren't garbage.

I may have overstated Bynum's role, specifically his playoff performances. He helped them win regular season games, though. I actually thought it made a difference just to have him on the court in 2010 during Game 7 while Kendrick was riding that pine.

The Lakers don't even get past the Nuggets in 2009 without Ariza's steals, don't even front.

I see you ain't try to diminish Pau's importance

I'l say this about those Lakers teams....They were VERY top heavy.

Once you got pass Kobe and Pau everybody was inconsistent. Once you got past Odom, Ron, and arguably Ariza everybody just flat out sucked.

Look at those old Lakers rosters and you'll see a bunch of guys who aren't even in the fukking league anymore or had career highs while playing with the Lakers.


As for Pau, he's definitely important, as evidenced by that fact that the Lakers do well when he's playing to potential and don't do well when he pulls his disappearing act.

 

[iPod Raheem 2.0]

wrong.

sorry, an always hurt bynum on one leg at center. gasol who i like a lot turning into a girl every other day. ariza hit a lot of 3's that year. but yet he cant seem to hit them anymore since he's left the lakers. i wonder why? he's wide open since know one trusts his jumper. why cant he hit? smush parker had the best year of his life as a laker. went to the heat and got kicked out of the nba ever since. what happen? dwade was there, what happen?

lol at kobe doesnt make his teammates better.

kwame cant catch brown had his highest fg% of his career by far playing next to ... KOBE BRYANT.

MJ didnt make kerr better. kerr was a marksmen out of college. the guy was money on the suns and the cavs for most of his time there. yes kerr had his highest 3pt% playing with all the legends on the bulls. but it wasnt a ton higher then it was his 2nd year in the nba playing with the cavs( a not so bad team that year).

and lets not forget pippen was passing it to kerr as much or more then mj was.

kwame got most of his passes from kobe. fisher got most of his kick outs from kobe. smush got all of his kick outs from kobe.

remember what i said about mj having 1 job vs kobe having 2. no matter what the stats show in apg. that isnt going to show you who had the job of being the floor general and setup guy. run the offense guy. and that wont show you how you miss assists because kwame will drop a pass in a heart beat . lets not forget what old man MJ called a young kwame that broke his spirit.

How did I miss this? This is disgusting. You're arguing that just by being in Kobe Bryant's presence, nikkas ball better. I'm not saying he doesn't make his teammates better, but you are going too far.

And you're gonna pretend that Kobe's a passer and not a gunner?

 

[bigmanharris]

need to re ask the question name the players that won without another top 50 player all time on their team (only Kobe)

negged for not knowing your history.

The Dream, Tim Duncan, The whole Pistons squad, Dirk....

 

[dantheman9758]

Bosh was considered soft like Gasol so therefore we will just throw those 2 out of the equation

So we have and winning without dominant bigs

Rick Barry did it too... no joke

 

[Leonard Washington]

Rick Barry did it too... no joke

Well we need a Rick Barry smiley in here too. That could be the Mount Rushmore of the Coli