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[NO-BadAzz]

That got counted accurate in terms of certification. You can't just go around saying random albums went Gold and Platinum just because you think they did.

If RIAA has an album at 450k or an album at 950k, In that time from 97-99, the way NL was selling and on top. I know 50k was easily not counted around the country at these Mom and Pop store. I know easily 50k sold at these Mom and Pops stores around the country

So the movie I'm Bout It Bout It, You think it sold only 500k copies or whatever the number P said it sold?

You think they counted the sells of that movie from it being sold out of a Mom and Pop store?

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Breh, this BS about not getting a chance to shine you are harping on has absolutely nothing to do with being a star.

A "known" artist is not just simply singing a bland ass hook breh like how DC did on that song. They will have a segment in a song for them to do them.

 

[JustCKing]

A "known" artist is not just simply singing a bland ass hook breh like how DC did on that song. They will have a segment in a song for them to do them.

No they don't. You're making up criteria just to support the narrative you are trying to push.

 

[JustCKing]

If RIAA has an album at 450k or an album at 950k, In that time from 97-99, the way NL was selling and on top. I know 50k was easily not counted around the country at these Mom and Pop store. I know easily 50k sold at these Mom and Pops stores around the country

So the movie I'm Bout It Bout It, You think it sold only 500k copies or whatever the number P said it sold?

You think they counted the sells of that movie from it being sold out of a Mom and Pop store?

You don't have the proof and RIAA doesn't have an album at any number. It's not Gold point blank, period. It doesn't matter how easily you think 50K was attainable. The fact is that it isn't Gold now and it wasn't Gold then. You can attempt to argue this to the moon. Unless you find official Soundscan numbers that support what you're spewing, all you're doing is typing for the sake of typing at this point.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

No they don't. You're making up criteria just to support the narrative you are trying to push.

Post me a "known" artist that's just, just only singing the hook to fit your narrative.

I time stamped the 2 examples you tried to swoop in, where one is singing their own verse and harmonizing throughout the song, and the other artist is (in your words) ad-libbing for close to 20-30 secs at the end of the song. Both artist presence were felt.

I posted DC just simply singing the hook on a song, adding nothing to the song other than the hook. Most forgot they were even on that song.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

You don't have the proof and RIAA doesn't have an album at any number. It's not Gold point blank, period. It doesn't matter how easily you think 50K was attainable. The fact is that it isn't Gold now and it wasn't Gold then. You can attempt to argue this to the moon. Unless you find official Soundscan numbers that support what you're spewing, all you're doing is typing for the sake of typing at this point.

If that makes you happy pleighboi.

I know how the game worked in 97-98 and who was selling out in Mom and Pops stores around my way.

 

[JustCKing]

Post me a "known" artist that's just, just only singing the hook to fit your narrative.

I time stamped the 2 examples you tried to swoop in, where one is singing their own verse and harmonizing throughout the song, and the other artist is (in your words) ad-libbing for close to 20-30 secs at the end of the song. Both artist presence were felt.

I posted DC just simply singing the hook on a song, adding nothing to the song other than the hook. Most forgot they were even on that song.

I gave you two examples and you're still trying to argue that Lauryn had her own verse (she didn't) and then proceeded to post another song. I'm not doing this.

 

[JustCKing]

If that makes you happy pleighboi.

I know how the game worked in 97-98 and who was selling out in Mom and Pops stores around my way.

Huge problem with The Coli. Just because something was selling out around your way is by no means indicative of the rest of the country or the rest of the world.

 

[ThatTruth777]

this thread got me on a no limit vibe now

 

[OHSNAP!]

Post me a "known" artist that's just, just only singing the hook to fit your narrative.

I time stamped the 2 examples you tried to swoop in, where one is singing their own verse and harmonizing throughout the song, and the other artist is (in your words) ad-libbing for close to 20-30 secs at the end of the song. Both artist presence were felt.

I posted DC just simply singing the hook on a song, adding nothing to the song other than the hook. Most forgot they were even on that song.

 

[OHSNAP!]

Damn you two brehs need to chill and vibe to some No Limit classics

 

[T.H.E. Goat]

A lot of No Limit knowledge I didn't know about in this thread

Props to @OHSNAP! @JustCKing and @NO-BadAzz for dropping gems the last few pages

 

[Wacky D]

I'm not killing my own argument. They had virtual nobodies out here with videos and huge ads in magazines

Why P won the award is irrelevant. You were saying that No Limit wasn't getting looks after they began to fall off, I provided proof that they were.

I cant tell if youre just playing dumb with these two arguments or if youre serious.

You missed the part where dude specifically said that No Limit wasn't appearing on those type of shows.

yea but I think hes referring to the mainstream crossover shows.

Vibe & keenan ivory wayans were black shows.

There were bigger acts in 2000 at the time when P got that cover.

In regard to the Vibe cover

- Juve had not disappeared. In fact, he'd just given CMR their biggest album since I Got That Work
- Trick Daddy was definitely bigger than Master P at that point. This was after "I'm A Thug" and "Take It To The House" and he was about to release another album.
- The South was not at a pit-stop in terms of star power. Luda was huge. Trick was near the height of his popularity. 2001 was Juve's comeback with "Set It Off".
- P wasn't really visible at the point and he wasn't the main reason the South was at that point. He was one of the reasons, but not THE reason. Mystikal was a much bigger star than Master P in 2002.

there were also lesser acts than master p that got the source cover in 2000.

the vibe cover was in 2002.
juvenile dropped project English the summer before that, while being on the cover of XXL saying that he wanted out of cash money. he didn't drop another album for nearly 2 1/2 years. his career was stalled at this point. and not to mention, project English was a critical disappointment. and he had absolutely nothing going on in 2002.

trick daddy was big in rap, but he wasn't big enough for a Vibe cover. and plus, the album he dropped that summer wasn't as popular as the previous 3, nor did it have the hits like the previous joins.

master p was extremely visible in 2002. his rap career may have been cold, but clearly hes much more than just a rapper. HES MASTER P.
and yes, master p was indeed the main reason the south was at that point. hes the one that made it into a viable region. there is no southern cover without him, whether hes on the cover or not.

mystikal's tarantula album didn't do anywhere near as well as "lets get ready". he lost his core audience with LGR. and tarantula didn't have the hits that LGR had for the casuals. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been on the cover(especially with MOVE coming out as a single. luda & mystikal on the cover was perfect timing). I'm just saying how most of the south stars from the late '90s/early '00s had cooled off by 2002, and the crunk push was a year away. having master p, the biggest icon of the south, filling out the cover wasn't that bad of an idea.

 

[OHSNAP!]

I cant tell if youre just playing dumb with these two arguments or if youre serious.





yea but I think hes referring to the mainstream crossover shows.

Vibe & keenan ivory wayans were black shows.





there were also lesser acts than master p that got the source cover in 2000.

the vibe cover was in 2002.
juvenile dropped project English the summer before that, while being on the cover of XXL saying that he wanted out of cash money. he didn't drop another album for nearly 2 1/2 years. his career was stalled at this point. and not to mention, project English was a critical disappointment. and he had absolutely nothing going on in 2002.

trick daddy was big in rap, but he wasn't big enough for a Vibe cover. and plus, the album he dropped that summer wasn't as popular as the previous 3, nor did it have the hits like the previous joins.

master p was extremely visible in 2002. his rap career may have been cold, but clearly hes much more than just a rapper. HES MASTER P.
and yes, master p was indeed the main reason the south was at that point. hes the one that made it into a viable region. there is no southern cover without him, whether hes on the cover or not.

mystikal's tarantula album didn't do anywhere near as well as "lets get ready". he lost his core audience with LGR. and tarantula didn't have the hits that LGR had for the casuals. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been on the cover(especially with MOVE coming out as a single. luda & mystikal on the cover was perfect timing). I'm just saying how most of the south stars from the late '90s/early '00s had cooled off by 2002, and the crunk push was a year away. having master p, the biggest icon of the south, filling out the cover wasn't that bad of an idea.

Fair enough points

I do agree that MP and No Limit was marketed heavily towards the black audience, like you mentioned with Keenan Ivory's show. Only MP and Snoop were household names for almost everyone in the US during NL' s heyday, everyone else (even Silkk) was only known to hiphop/R&B cats. That changed for Mystikal when Shake Ya Azz blew up

GameFace (late 2001) did have some minor hits (Oohwee and Real Love) though, those were bigger than anything Mystikal, Juvenile, Scarface or Trick Daddy put out for their joints at that point in time for their resp.projects.

All those albums (Thug Holiday, Tarantula, The Fix, Game Face, Project English) for those guys flopped commercially though, all of then been selling alot more before and couldn't produce big hits for these projects so to not "sell out". Trick and Juve did bounce back though later on

 

[Wacky D]

A "known" artist is not just simply singing a bland ass hook breh like how DC did on that song. They will have a segment in a song for them to do them.

nah.
I see what youre saying but there are still examples of stars who just sung the hook and nothing else. some weren't even credited like that.
mary j blige being one of them. multiple times.

and as far as destinys child goes, I don't know when the song was recorded. they might've did it before they even came out. I remember they were saying how latoya got master p on their album. I'm guessing that master p got them to do the hook for silkk in the same session.

but by the time the video for "just be straight with me" dropped, they were definitely known. and if youre an r&b fan, they were WELL-KNOWN by that time. "no no no" was way bigger than this song.

they were indeed stars in the r&b world in 1998.