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[OHSNAP!]

Gotta agree with @JustCKing here, even though @NO-BadAzz has a few valid points

NL did use the entire "75 million records sold" (almost impossible to prove, probably untrue) and "world's nr 1 indy rap label" (true in 97-00) as marketing ploys, and it made sense

Mystikal was ALWAYS bigger than Mia X, maybe by a slighter margin in 97/98 when Mia's albums did well, but she never went plat, Ghetto Fabulous and Unpredictable both did. And Mystikal's old songs Here I Go and Y'All Ain't Ready Yet were still getting play after he joined NL, unfortunately his NL singles (Ain't No Limit and That's That Rapper) flopped, but The Man Right Chea had some buzz, and It Ain't My Fault 1 AND 2 were bigger hits than Mia ever had, plus his legendary part on Make Em Say Uhh

DC also only sung the hook on Geto Boys' single in late 98, they weren't THAT big yet, only a one hit wonder at that point, of course that changed in 1999 and on...NL was waaaay bigger than DC in 97/98

Shell Shocked didn't hit gold. Shame

CI2DG went platinum because it stayed on the BB album charts forever due to NL's popularity. However he had a strong female fanbase, basically NL's heartthrob lol

C-Murder's albums were never marketed like that, he was a pure gangsta rapper that won't appeal to females or pop stations. Nonetheless LOD went plat, incredible. Fans knew he'd bring the heat, and did he ever, one of the greatest gangsta rap albums ever imo. Some of BBTP's finest work too, fantastic dark atmosphere throughout

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Show me proof that those albums went Gold and Platinum. There's an RIAA database where you can find Gold and Plat. certifications for any album. Therefore it's laughable that you'd even argue a Wiki article against the association that certifies albums.

In terms of No Limit selling 75 million records, it could very well be 75. It could be 80-100. It could be 50.

How could it be that number when you are using the RIAA database for your reference, you should know the exact count eh??

So that whole 80-100, how could that number be reached when you are short changing albums?

Let's see

 

[OHSNAP!]

How could it be that number when you are using the RIAA database for your reference, you should know the exact count eh??

So that whole 80-100, how could that number be reached when you are short changing albums?

Let's see

Example:

Young Bleed's album went gold with 550k sold - you can see that RIAA gold plaque

Shell Shocked sold 450k - no RIAA gold plaque

Difference between both: a mere 100k

Can't use RIAA as a source for exact sales therefore

 

[JustCKing]

Smh You are going by a RIAA database, I'm going by the terms and standards how things were done. I just explained to you that Mom and Pop stores (they are not around today) but those CDs were not counted into total sales breh. Mom and Pop stores would sell out of NL CDs.

If we are going by RIAA database like you said, Let's total up all of NL albums and see if it's 75 million, it should be wayyyyyy short of that number..maybe hitting the 23 mark

23 and 75 are night and day, so why is P reaching for 75?

RIAA is the standard. You can't get a Gold or a Platinum plaque without an RIAA certification. It's still false that Mac has a Gold album and that Silkk has a double platinum album.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Gotta agree with @JustCKing here, even though @NO-BadAzz has a few valid points

NL did use the entire "75 million records sold" (almost impossible to prove, probably untrue) and "world's nr 1 indy rap label" (true in 97-00) as marketing ploys, and it made sense

Mystikal was ALWAYS bigger than Mia X, maybe by a slighter margin in 97/98 when Mia's albums did well, but she never went plat, Ghetto Fabulous and Unpredictable both did. And Mystikal's old songs Here I Go and Y'All Ain't Ready Yet were still getting play after he joined NL, unfortunately his NL singles (Ain't No Limit and That's That Rapper) flopped, but The Man Right Chea had some buzz, and It Ain't My Fault 1 AND 2 were bigger hits than Mia ever had, plus his legendary part on Make Em Say Uhh

DC also only sung the hook on Geto Boys' single in late 98, they weren't THAT big yet, only a one hit wonder at that point, of course that changed in 1999 and on...NL was waaaay bigger than DC in 97/98

Shell Shocked didn't hit gold. Shame

CI2DG went platinum because it stayed on the BB album charts forever due to NL's popularity. However he had a strong female fanbase, basically NL's heartthrob lol

C-Murder's albums were never marketed like that, he was a pure gangsta rapper that won't appeal to females or pop stations. Nonetheless LOD went plat, incredible. Fans knew he'd bring the heat, and did he ever, one of the greatest gangsta rap albums ever imo. Some of BBTP's finest work too, fantastic dark atmosphere throughout

Respect that,

But you stated something that was/is key, It aint my fault was a bigger hit, Mia X "Party Don't Stop" was big for her and it had Foxy on the record which gave it spins on the radio and was shown on TV, but you state that Silk's "It aint my fault was bigger" but yet dude states that song was far from being one of the biggest songs that year.


DC wasn't that big, as what I'm trying to tell breh, he's going about it by looking at sales of the "single" and I"m telling him a million single sold wasn't that impressive back then, you would still be consider not really known/fresh plus they were a new act on the scene.

Shell Shocked didn't hit gold base on the internet standard but the Mom and Pop stores as I stated were not always counted into the total of albums sold, I pulled up on Wiki it sits at 444k or something (but that's not real and someone may have edited that 444k or so) but the fact that it sold and to me I think it hit Gold just off the Mom and Pop stores selling out of it. (with only one barely played video my I add) Everybody in the hood was bumping Murder Murder Kill Kill and hood nikkas pick up CDs at the Mom and Pop stores not Circuit City.

 

[JustCKing]

From 3:56 throughout the end of that song his her doing her thang. It's not a verse?

On that Silk song, Did DC get that time to do their own thing?? That just simply song the hook and Beyonce is a singer

If you think what Lauryn is doing on that song qualifies as a verse, you need to learn what a verse is.

DC did the hook. They were credited as "featured" artists vs. being credited as additional vocalists. Being a star or being known doesn't determine how much you get to do on another artist's song. There are big name artists who only got additional vocals on a song. Some big names have been on songs without even being credited.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Example:

Young Bleed's album went gold with 550k sold - you can see that RIAA gold plaque

Shell Shocked sold 450k - no RIAA gold plaque

Difference between both: a mere 100k

Can't use RIAA as a source for exact sales therefore

By the RIAA standard yes, but they don't factor in ALL sales of an album, they don't catch the Mom and Pop stores is what I'm trying to explain.

Everybody didn't buy CDs at Circuit City or at these other outlets that are connected to the RIAA database.

 

[JustCKing]

Respect that,

But you stated on key thing, It aint my fault was bigger hits, Mia X "Party Don't Stop" was big for her and it had Foxy on the record which gave it spins on the radio and was shown on TV, but you state that Silk's "It aint my fault was bigger" but yet dude states that song was far from being one of the biggest songs that year.


DC wasn't that big, as what I'm trying to tell breh, he's going about it by looking at sales of the "single" and I"m telling him a million single sold wasn't that impressive back then, you would still be consider not really known/fresh plus they were a new act on the scene.

Shell Shocked didn't hit gold base on the internet standard but the Mom and Pop stores as I stated were not always counted into the total of albums sold, I pulled up on Wiki it sits at 444k or something (but that's not real and someone may have edited that 444k or so) but the fact that it sold and to me I think it hit Gold just off the Mom and Pop stores selling out of it. (with only one barely played video my I add) Everybody in the hood was bumping Murder Murder Kill Kill and hood nikkas pick up CDs at the Mom and Pop stores not Circuit City.

You said they weren't known. I was arguing that they were. I never said that they were huge stars, but they were definitely known.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

If you think what Lauryn is doing on that song qualifies as a verse, you need to learn what a verse is.

DC did the hook. They were credited as "featured" artists vs. being credited as additional vocalists. Being a star or being known doesn't determine how much you get to do on another artist's song. There are big name artists who only got additional vocals on a song. Some big names have been on songs without even being credited.

What do you call what she's doing then at the end of the song breh?

Being a star doesn't determine how much you get to do on another artist's song? What?

Breh again, pull me up a big artist that is simply doing 'just' the hook, nothing else, no adding to the song, just the hook

As I stated DC just did only the hook on that song, and added nothing to the song. and yet you say they were known/stars which is not true.

 

[JustCKing]

By the RIAA standard yes, but they don't factor in ALL sales of an album, they don't catch the Mom and Pop stores is what I'm trying to explain.

Everybody didn't buy CDs at Circuit City or at these other outlets that are connected to the RIAA database.

Mac didn't go Gold. Most music I bought in the 90's and the early 00's came from Mom & Pop stores. Mom & Pop stores don't change the fact that Mac doesn't have a gold album regardless of what you think or how many people you know had the album.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

You said they weren't known. I was arguing that they were. I never said that they were huge stars, but they were definitely known.

You based their hit No No No as to being known to the world...TPpl knew of them, I said they were a new act thus as known as you saying and making them out to be.

Known acts do their thing on records breh, Known acts just don't simply sing on Hooks.

 

[JustCKing]

What do you call what she's doing then at the end of the song breh?

Being a star doesn't determine how much you get to do on another artist's song? What?

Breh again, pull me up a big artist that is simply doing 'just' the hook, nothing else, no adding to the song, just the hook

As I stated DC just did only the hook on that song, and added nothing to the song. and yet you say they were known/stars which is not true.

It's called ad-libbing.

Being a star doesn't determine what you do on somebody else's song. The main artist, producer, label etc. determine that.

Adding nothing else to a song besides a hook doesn't determine how big you are. If that's the case random no name artists who have their own verses on somebody else's song are stars.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Mac didn't go Gold. Most music I bought in the 90's and the early 00's came from Mom & Pop stores. Mom & Pop stores don't change the fact that Mac doesn't have a gold album regardless of what you think or how many people you know had the album.

How if you got 40k-50 CDs sold around the world from Mom and Pops store, how you not factor in those sells?

 

[JustCKing]

You based their hit No No No as to being known to the world...TPpl knew of them, I said they were a new act thus as known as you saying and making them out to be.

Known acts do their thing on records breh, Known acts just don't simply sing on Hooks.

Where did I imply that "No No No" made them known to the world? I said they were known.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

It's called ad-libbing.

Being a star doesn't determine what you do on somebody else's song. The main artist, producer, label etc. determine that.

Adding nothing else to a song besides a hook doesn't determine how big you are. If that's the case random no name artists who have their own verses on somebody else's song are stars.

Ok we can go with that..

DC didn't even have a part in the song where they could do that...MJB had her part and also as you said Hill had her part.

So if you're somebody, you would get your chance to shine on a record.

Even new artists today gets their part in a song to shine or add to it.