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[JustCKing]

yea but I think hes referring to the mainstream crossover shows.

Vibe & keenan ivory wayans were black shows.

He specifically mentioned Vibe and Keenan.

there were also lesser acts than master p that got the source cover in 2000.

the vibe cover was in 2002.
juvenile dropped project English the summer before that, while being on the cover of XXL saying that he wanted out of cash money. he didn't drop another album for nearly 2 1/2 years. his career was stalled at this point. and not to mention, project English was a critical disappointment. and he had absolutely nothing going on in 2002.

trick daddy was big in rap, but he wasn't big enough for a Vibe cover. and plus, the album he dropped that summer wasn't as popular as the previous 3, nor did it have the hits like the previous joins.

master p was extremely visible in 2002. his rap career may have been cold, but clearly hes much more than just a rapper. HES MASTER P.
and yes, master p was indeed the main reason the south was at that point. hes the one that made it into a viable region. there is no southern cover without him, whether hes on the cover or not.

mystikal's tarantula album didn't do anywhere near as well as "lets get ready". he lost his core audience with LGR. and tarantula didn't have the hits that LGR had for the casuals. I'm not saying he shouldn't have been on the cover(especially with MOVE coming out as a single. luda & mystikal on the cover was perfect timing). I'm just saying how most of the south stars from the late '90s/early '00s had cooled off by 2002, and the crunk push was a year away. having master p, the biggest icon of the south, filling out the cover wasn't that bad of an idea.

Every act that got a Source cover in 2000 was bigger than Master P.

I know the Vibe cover was in 2002. P dropped an album late 2001 as did Mystikal and Luda, who also appeared on the same cover. That still doesn't excuse the fact that Juve in '02 was bigger than P. Juve still had "She Get It From Her Mama" in rotation. And you can't really argue critical disappointment and having absolutely nothing going on in 2002 without contradicting yourself. Why? Game Face is easily Master P's worst release.

Trick Daddy was coming off his most popular album and Thug Holiday is easily his second most popular.

Master P wasn't visible in 2002. He was coming off of a critical and commercial flop.

I don't really get your argument against Tarantula because to a much larger degree, Game Face cost P his core fanbase and it didn't have hits for casuals.

Master P was not the biggest icon from The South. There were at least a couple of Southern MC's that are/were bigger icons than P.

 

[JustCKing]

GameFace (late 2001) did have some minor hits (Oohwee and Real Love) though, those were bigger than anything Mystikal, Juvenile, Scarface or Trick Daddy put out for their joints at that point in time for their resp.projects.

All those albums (Thug Holiday, Tarantula, The Fix, Game Face, Project English) for those guys flopped commercially though, all of then been selling alot more before and couldn't produce big hits for these projects so to not "sell out". Trick and Juve did bounce back though later on

These are history re-writes. Mystikal's "Bouncing Back" was a much bigger hit than anything Master P put out in 2001-2002. Juvenile's "Set It Off" was also bigger than anything P was putting out at the time. All of them had bigger albums than Master P. P couldn't even sell 250K with Game Face.

Thug Holiday and Project English were far from commercial flops. Project English was a bigger album than G Code.

 

[Wacky D]

Every act that got a Source cover in 2000 was bigger than Master P.

I know the Vibe cover was in 2002. P dropped an album late 2001 as did Mystikal and Luda, who also appeared on the same cover. That still doesn't excuse the fact that Juve in '02 was bigger than P. Juve still had "She Get It From Her Mama" in rotation. And you can't really argue critical disappointment and having absolutely nothing going on in 2002 without contradicting yourself. Why? Game Face is easily Master P's worst release.

Trick Daddy was coming off his most popular album and Thug Holiday is easily his second most popular.

Master P wasn't visible in 2002. He was coming off of a critical and commercial flop.

I don't really get your argument against Tarantula because to a much larger degree, Game Face cost P his core fanbase and it didn't have hits for casuals.

Master P was not the biggest icon from The South. There were at least a couple of Southern MC's that are/were bigger icons than P.

I don't remember all the covers that year, but I remember scarface had a cover, and he wasn't bigger than master p in 2000.

"get it from her mama" was out of rotation by like February. what did juvenile do afterwards? i'll wait.

"thugs r us" is trick's biggest-seller but its not his most popular album.
and that's besides the point. you keep ignoring the part about trick daddy not being big enough for a vibe cover regardless.

master p's core base was already gone before gameface breh.
and again, youre ignoring the fact that master p is much more than a rapper. he can have a flopped album, and still serve his purpose on a magazine cover.

whose a bigger icon from the south than master p on a national level? don't give me no "critically-acclaimed" rappers, and PLEASE don't give me any regional guys.

Juvenile's "Set It Off" was also bigger than anything P was putting out at the time. All of them had bigger albums than Master P. P couldn't even sell 250K with Game Face.

Project English was a bigger album than G Code.

juvenile dropped "set it off" an entire year before that magazine cover breh.
he was basically stuck on the shelf & in contract limbo thru 2002-2003.

project English wasn't bigger than g-code. you buggin.

 

[OHSNAP!]

These are history re-writes. Mystikal's "Bouncing Back" was a much bigger hit than anything Master P put out in 2001-2002. Juvenile's "Set It Off" was also bigger than anything P was putting out at the time. All of them had bigger albums than Master P. P couldn't even sell 250K with Game Face.

Thug Holiday and Project English were far from commercial flops. Project English was a bigger album than G Code.

Let's just say Bouncin' Back and MAYBE Momma Got Ass were as big a (minor) hit as Oohwee, that one I can see

Everything else is bs. P was a bigger name than all of em (of course he lost tons of fans in 2000/01), Thug Holiday was NOT TDD's 2nd most popular album (his previous two were way more beloved or successful, hell even www.thug.com was probably more successful). It was simply overlooked, I really enjoyed it back then tho

The Fix, Thug Holiday and Project English (more popular than Tha G-Code? Brah you wildin' hard) went gold almost exclusively because of their core fanbase, which MP lost tons of. Quality didn't matter shyt for sales, Face and TDD should have went multi plat if we talkin' quality, while the 3 NO stars put out some very (MP) or mildly disappointing (Juve, Mystikal) albums out

Set It Off didn't move shyt. Momma Got Ass was a small-time smash

Luda and Kast were more popular and successful than TDD/MP/Face/Juve/Mystikal at this point. ATL takeover started. Crunk era made it even more visible

 

[Wacky D]

Luda and Kast were more popular and successful than TDD/MP/Face/Juve/Mystikal at this point. ATL takeover started. Crunk era made it even more visible

outkast was more crossover pop/r&b popular than rap popular at this point. they weren't big on some south chit.

ATL takeover started with crunk, even tho it was used as a pawn to dumb-down hip-hop.

but yea, Ludacris was huge. underrated career.

 

[JustCKing]

I don't remember all the covers that year, but I remember scarface had a cover, and he wasn't bigger than master p in 2000.

"get it from her mama" was out of rotation by like February. what did juvenile do afterwards? i'll wait.

"thugs r us" is trick's biggest-seller but its not his most popular album.
and that's besides the point. you keep ignoring the part about trick daddy not being big enough for a vibe cover regardless.

master p's core base was already gone before gameface breh.
and again, youre ignoring the fact that master p is much more than a rapper. he can have a flopped album, and still serve his purpose on a magazine cover.

whose a bigger icon from the south than master p on a national level? don't give me no "critically-acclaimed" rappers, and PLEASE don't give me any regional guys.

It was Face's first solo album since Untouchable and that was a bigger deal than P.

How was Trick Daddy not big enough for a Vibe cover, but Master P in 2002 was? That doesn't even make sense.

Of course, P is also an entrepreneur and a pioneer in Southern Hip Hop, but that doesn't warrant getting a magazine cover.

Claim Master P is the biggest "Southern" Icon, but then make a condition not to name anyone regional. Pretty defeatist. If Master P truly is he biggest Southern Icon, there wouldn't be any conditions. Scarface and OutKast are bigger icons from the South than Master P.

juvenile dropped "set it off" an entire year before that magazine cover breh.
he was basically stuck on the shelf & in contract limbo thru 2002-2003.

project English wasn't bigger than g-code. you buggin.

Juve was still a bigger deal than Master P in '02.

You're right about Project English vs. G-Code.

 

[JustCKing]

Let's just say Bouncin' Back and MAYBE Momma Got Ass were as big a (minor) hit as Oohwee, that one I can see

Everything else is bs. P was a bigger name than all of em (of course he lost tons of fans in 2000/01), Thug Holiday was NOT TDD's 2nd most popular album (his previous two were way more beloved or successful, hell even www.thug.com was probably more successful). It was simply overlooked, I really enjoyed it back then tho

The Fix, Thug Holiday and Project English (more popular than Tha G-Code? Brah you wildin' hard) went gold almost exclusively because of their core fanbase, which MP lost tons of. Quality didn't matter shyt for sales, Face and TDD should have went multi plat if we talkin' quality, while the 3 NO stars put out some very (MP) or mildly disappointing (Juve, Mystikal) albums out

Set It Off didn't move shyt. Momma Got Ass was a small-time smash

Luda and Kast were more popular and successful than TDD/MP/Face/Juve/Mystikal at this point. ATL takeover started. Crunk era made it even more visible

There's no maybes. "Bouncin Back" was a bigger song than "Oohwee". P was not a bigger name than them by '02.

 

[OHSNAP!]

There's no maybes. "Bouncin Back" was a bigger song than "Oohwee". P was not a bigger name than them by '02.

This was a few years after P' s prime. He used to be more popular and sell more records than all of them (yup, even Face) in 97-99, so he was still the biggest name out of em. Bigger peak/stronger run than all of em. Recognize

 

[JustCKing]

This was a few years after P' s prime. He used to be more popular and sell more records than all of them (yup, even Face) in 97-99, so he was still the biggest name out of em. Bigger peak/stronger run than all of em. Recognize

He was bigger than Mystikal, not Face. He at one point sold more records than Face, but doesn't mean he's bigger. That's like saying Nelly is still bigger than Jay.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

He specifically mentioned Vibe and Keenan.



Every act that got a Source cover in 2000 was bigger than Master P.

I know the Vibe cover was in 2002. P dropped an album late 2001 as did Mystikal and Luda, who also appeared on the same cover. That still doesn't excuse the fact that Juve in '02 was bigger than P. Juve still had "She Get It From Her Mama" in rotation. And you can't really argue critical disappointment and having absolutely nothing going on in 2002 without contradicting yourself. Why? Game Face is easily Master P's worst release.

Trick Daddy was coming off his most popular album and Thug Holiday is easily his second most popular.

Master P wasn't visible in 2002. He was coming off of a critical and commercial flop.

I don't really get your argument against Tarantula because to a much larger degree, Game Face cost P his core fanbase and it didn't have hits for casuals.

Master P was not the biggest icon from The South. There were at least a couple of Southern MC's that are/were bigger icons than P.

P had the song "oooh wee" out and he had the single Rock the Boat (that's when bounce music was trying to enter the main-stream game)

He was visible in 2002, he flipped the script and went the dance route.

He came out with Choppa Style, He had the 504 boyz, Krazy album, Soulja Slim album.

He had a buzz, not as big as 97, but P was maintaining his existence. Plus he had Romeo in his back pocket

 

[NO-BadAzz]

These are history re-writes. Mystikal's "Bouncing Back" was a much bigger hit than anything Master P put out in 2001-2002. Juvenile's "Set It Off" was also bigger than anything P was putting out at the time. All of them had bigger albums than Master P. P couldn't even sell 250K with Game Face.

Thug Holiday and Project English were far from commercial flops. Project English was a bigger album than G Code.

I don't think Project English was well received, He had a smash hit with set it off, but folks knew where that song came from. Still Juvy did his thing with the beat and it still was a hit song, Get it from my mama was a nice follow up single. I think that time/friction that he and Baby had going into making that album affected the album a lot. Plus Juvy was on his UTP records thing and he wasn't really pushing Project English like that.
G-Code was a good follow up album, I would say that it got more of a push than Project English because he still had a solid relationship wit Baby.

Project English really didn't have the Hot Boys on that album...G-Code still captured that Hot Boy feeling, so to me I would put G-Code over Project English. Now, here, you hear more ppl talk about G-Code over Project English, folks couldn't name you 3 singles off that Project English, other than Set it Off and Get it from your mama.

G-Code you got "U Understand, The Man, Lil Boyz, Never had nothing, 4 minutes, G-Code, etc

 

[NO-BadAzz]

There's no maybes. "Bouncin Back" was a bigger song than "Oohwee". P was not a bigger name than them by '02.

Nah, Bouncin Back was a good 1st single for that album, but Oohwee gave P like a second life, I think it was P 1st release with being on Universal and he as I stated, changed up his style and went more the dance/bounce route for that GameFace album, or launch of the New No Limit.

P's Oohwee was much bigger that summer, Bouncin Back was not a club song, Oohwee stayed in rotation on the radio and in the club that year.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

He was bigger than Mystikal, not Face. He at one point sold more records than Face, but doesn't mean he's bigger. That's like saying Nelly is still bigger than Jay.

Nelly in 00 when country grammar hit the charts and E.I. was killing the club and when he dropped Hot in Here, you wouldn't say during those years Nelly wasn't bigger than Jay?

What did Jay do in 2000? The Blueprint came out in 2001 around the time Nelly's 2nd album (I may be off) but Nelly was killing the game in those years.

Now in 2017 and we can go back to 2007, yea, I'll take Jay, but from 2000-2002, it was all Nelly breh.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

What Jay did in 2000 that was hotter/bigger than this?

This destroyed the summer

 

[Cheech&Chong]

P had one of the goat movements in hip hop history.

Death Row
Wu
Dip Set

No Limit isnt to far behind. P had the game in a head lock and dropped a ton of dope material in his mid career. None of his albums are top 10 goats but like i said his movement was matched by very few in history.