Dr J is one person with an opinion. Opinions are fukkING OPINIONS
The gap between MJ and Lebron is a HOF career
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Dr J is one person with an opinion. Opinions are fukkING OPINIONS
HimmyHendrix
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Dr J, bird and Magic saying the same shyt.
HimmyHendrix
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Expansion era. Those teams were not good.
viktordoomsecretwars
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In addition to this,
The average wins of Jordan's finals opponents is 61.2 wins (and Jordan went 6-0)
The average wins of Lebron's finals opponents is 59.3 wins (and Lebron went 4-6)
And that's just the NBA finals. Lebron fans like to forget about the 1st round, semi's and conference finals since Lebron never really faced any strong teams in those rounds.
Jordan faced countless 50+ and 60+ win teams in the preliminary rounds in addition to the finals
Jordan faced and eliminated more 60+ win teams than any player in NBA history and has a winning record against such teams. Lebron has an atrocious record against great teams in the playoffs.
The average wins of Jordan's finals opponents is 61.2 wins (and Jordan went 6-0)
The average wins of Lebron's finals opponents is 59.3 wins (and Lebron went 4-6)
And that's just the NBA finals. Lebron fans like to forget about the 1st round, semi's and conference finals since Lebron never really faced any strong teams in those rounds.
Jordan faced countless 50+ and 60+ win teams in the preliminary rounds in addition to the finals
Jordan faced and eliminated more 60+ win teams than any player in NBA history and has a winning record against such teams. Lebron has an atrocious record against great teams in the playoffs.
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You only saying this cuz you know Bron ain’t catching Mike
FishNGrits
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These old heads gonna post a bunch of slow cacs and swear that lebron would average 10 and 6 in the 90’s. The era of wide open lanes
viktordoomsecretwars
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How can they not be good if they all have astounding winning records? wtf ?
Expansion teams argument literally makes no sense like many of the arguments used against Jordan.
People don't even know that in the 80's, there were 23 teams till the 89/90 season and teams in the same division faced each other 6 times.
The Showtime Lakers for example were pretty much guaranteed close to 18 wins every season from the atrocious Clippers, Warriors and Sacremento teams in their Pacific division every single year.
All those teams were an abomination during the vast majority of the 80's.
And Larry Bird was trying to defend the integrity of his 67 win 1985/86 Celtics, I get it. But what about the atrocious New Jersey Nets teams of the 80's his Celtics feasted on for a guaranteed 6 wins every season? Or terrible pre-Jordan Bulls teams. Or atrocious Pacers teams?
That argument is fukking stupid.
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viktordoomsecretwars
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Increase in talent
Look at the 1990 MVP race : Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Clyde Drexler, Isiah Thomas,
1989-90 NBA Awards Voting | Basketball-Reference.com
Those are 3 of the top 10 players of all time and 4 of the top 10 players ever if you include Jordan. That was who Jordan competed again.
Everyone else (Barkley, Malone, Robinson etc) is easily top 40 ever at least.
The gap has to do with Jordan being a much better player and far more dominant player than Lebron.
Jordan would have all those accolades and more if he played today.
ESPN and FOX sports. LeShannon, Kendrick perkins and NIck wright won't show how the gap between Jordan and Lebron is literally a top 5-7 player of all time
HimmyHendrix
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Not only that. Bron at worst the 2nd best in the history of the sport and a Buncha inferior players were putting up 23+ a game in the 90s. Players who ain’t even same league as bron, let alone KD or Giannis
Supposed to believe in a league that Brad Daugherty, Kevin Johnson, Chris Mullins, Michaels Adams and Ricky Pierce all managed to score between 20-26 a game, Lebron would somehow struggle to score in?
HimmyHendrix
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Are you really denying that those talent right nowIncrease in talent
Look at the 1990 MVP race : Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Karl Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Clyde Drexler, Isiah Thomas,
1989-90 NBA Awards Voting | Basketball-Reference.com
Those are 3 of the top 10 players of all time and 4 of the top 10 players ever if you include Jordan. That was who Jordan competed again.
Everyone else (Barkley, Malone, Robinson etc) is easily top 40 ever at least.
The gap has to do with Jordan being a much better player and far more dominant player than Lebron.
Jordan would have all those accolades and more if he played today.
ESPN and FOX sports. LeShannon, Kendrick perkins and NIck wright won't show how the gap between Jordan and Lebron is literally a top 5-7 player of all time
Is the much greater than the talent 30 years ago?
you old heads are outta control I swear
viktordoomsecretwars
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Are you really denying that those talent right now
Is the much greater than the talent 30 years ago?
you old heads are outta control I swear
Yeah, I'm denying that and i'm not an old head. You sound retarded and have no arguments.
HimmyHendrix
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nikka that’s so stupid I can’t even put a finger on it
the 1965 mvp race was between Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and Jerry West
all time greats and a flashy list, And that 4 can go up against the top players in the 1990 mvp race easy, it don’t mean that the league didn’t increase in talent over the next 25 years
as the extraordinary becomes more common and players leave behind skill sets that can be studied and improved upon. Jordan debates really bring out the retards, I’m done with it.
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viktordoomsecretwars
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nikka that’s so stupid I can’t even put a finger on it
the 1965 mvp race was between Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and Jerry West
all time greats and a flashy list, And that 4 can go up against the top players in the 1990 mvp race easy, it don’t mean that the league didn’t increase in talent over the next 25 years
Jordan debates really bring out the retards, I’m done with it.
Lmao, you just unironically compared 1965 to 1990
How many of the non-top tier talent in the league will push the needle in ANY of those individual accolades Jordan won? The only ones competing are the top 10-15 guys.Nobody cares about role players coming off the bench and those aren't taking scoring titles away from MJ.
The NBA in the 80's and 90's had more top end talent than the top end talent in 2022 and that doesn't even take into consideration how all the stats are inflated today.
Today's NBA is the fastest paced era since the 60's.
FishNGrits
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You can’t win. I’m sure these old nikkas was screaming in they pillows and punching the air when some 50’s cat looked at them and said “your favorite player would be sitting in the stands in my era because there were less teams so the talent was more condensed.nikka that’s so stupid I can’t even put a finger on it
the 1965 mvp race was between Oscar Robertson, Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell and Jerry West
all time greats and a flashy list, And that 4 can go up against the top players in the 1990 mvp race easy, it don’t mean that the league didn’t increase in talent over the next 25 years
Jordan debates really bring out the retards, I’m done with it.