THE DARK KNIGHT RISES REVIEW THREAD [SPOILERS]

[gluvnast]

So the Dent Act was an analogy of the Patriot Act?

yup, and BLACK GATE prision symbolizes GITMO

 

[gluvnast]

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thought I was the only one.

in BOTH TDK and TDKR had symbolism and analogies of real world political analysis'

TDK was essentially an analogy of our failed war on terror.

TDKR touches on everything since then from our economic decline, the tea party/ occupy movements, and so forth....

 

[gluvnast]

I'm sorry but that's bull, organised crime may have been at a minimum but for Nolan to create a Gotham City where NO crime exists is a cheap cop out. Again Batman's remit is not just mobsters, NO crime is too small for him. And then to make it worse he comes back into the swing of things pretty quickly without much internal struggle.

Bruce calling it quits, deflates the ending speech Gordon gives in the end of TDK. You're given a sense that Bruce has now truly embodied "The Dark Knight" of Gotham, doing the work no one else is willing to do, despite the scrutiny of the public, because "He can take it."

two things: THE DENT ACT pretty much took care of even the most pettiest of crimes and BATMAN isn't going to beat down some kid that stole an apple from the grocery store.

 

[Roid Jones]

well, bruce AS batman had NO PURPOSE anymore. how can u FIGHT crime when there's 8 solid years of NO CRIME?

That, to me, is a core misunderstanding of the character that it's really tough to excuse, even in a more "human" take. At the end of the day, as much as I lile the Nolan films, taking the almost super-human drive and determination away from The Batman for the sake of "reality" betrays the core of the character's origin and purpose.

I still like the films (TDK more than Batman Begins and TDKR) but I wish creators could temper their desires to put "their own take" on characters like The Batman and Superman. They're almost a century old and will be here long after us.

There's creative freedom, but there's also dedication to the legacy and the integrity of a character with such history.

 

[Roid Jones]

two things: THE DENT ACT pretty much took care of even the most pettiest of crimes and BATMAN isn't going to beat down some kid that stole an apple from the grocery store.

Again the Dent Act is a cheap device to push an excessive disappearing act that was not need.

If it's going to be dark knight returns or kightfall, fully commit to that.

 

[Theabbot]

That, to me, is a core misunderstanding of the character that it's really tough to excuse, even in a more "human" take. At the end of the day, as much as I lile the Nolan films, taking the almost super-human drive and determination away from The Batman for the sake of "reality" betrays the core of the character's origin and purpose.

I still like the films (Batman Begins more than TDK and TDKR) but I wish creators could temper their desires to put "their own take" on characters like The Batman and Superman. They're almost a century old and will be here long after us.

There's creative freedom, but there's also dedication to the legacy and the integrity of a character with such history.

This. This. And THIS.

 

[gluvnast]

Again the Dent Act is a cheap device to push an excessive disappearing act that was not need.

the dent act, like others have stated was a political stance on nolan's views on the patriot act. the dent act was an excessive law that made the police pretty much bullies of the land. they thrown anyone to jail just if you looked at them crazy. they even coed the jails for extreme females like selina kyle. that sh1t was no joke...

 

[D-NICE]

Again the Dent Act is a cheap device to push an excessive disappearing act that was not need.

If it's going to be dark knight returns or kightfall, fully commit to that.

Batman was gone for that time because he was a wanted, not because of the dent act or a lack of crime. You see what happened when he came back. The cops said fukk bane and crew that just stuck up the stock market and started trying to take down batman.

 

[Roid Jones]

Batman was gone for that time because he was a wanted, not because of the dent act or a lack of crime. You see what happened when he came back. The cops said fukk bane and crew that just stuck up the stock market and started trying to take down batman.

Wanted or not, that would not stop Bruce from carrying out his pledge, remember the guy is obsessed with this life.

In Dark Knight Returns, Bruce Wayne was old and had YEARS of experience. Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne was Batman for ONE year, then retires for 8 years, comes back for one last adventure, and then retires again. It cheapens everything that was great about Dark Knight Returns.

As I said earlier Nolan should have fully committed to that story line or ditched it.

 

[gluvnast]

Batman was gone for that time because he was a wanted, not because of the dent act or a lack of crime. You see what happened when he came back. The cops said fukk bane and crew that just stuck up the stock market and started trying to take down batman.

it wasn't because he was a wanted man. why he went back in the 1st place while STILL a wanted man???

he came back because he felt like he found purpose again, in spite of alfred's cry for him not to return back.

 

[Killakidkano]

yup, and BLACK GATE prision symbolizes GITMO

I didnt catch in the theatre but I re watched the bane speech and Blake says all those prisoners being denied parole on lie

 

[lamont614]

Most of the Hand-To-Hand Combat Is Terrible – Do you remember how in those old Asian martial arts movies, a group of baddies would attack the protagonist one at a time?**Do you remember how unintentionally comical that looked? That’s how I feel whenever Batman fights*anyone*in this film (exception: his fights with Bane, which I thought were appropriately raw and intense). For the most part,*all the bad guys have guns and none of them use them. Each one just waits there turn to get their ass-kicked by Batman. Now I know why Nolan shoots all the action up-close and nearly indecipherable: because if you had a wide angle shot, seeing armed thugs stand idly by would look absolutely ridiculous.



Stole this from other thread truth.com

 

[D-NICE]

Wanted or not, that would not stop Bruce from carrying out his pledge, remember the guy is obsessed with this life.

In Dark Knight Returns, Bruce Wayne was old and had YEARS of experience. Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne was Batman for ONE year, then retires for 8 years, comes back for one last adventure, and then retires again. It cheapens everything that was great about Dark Knight Returns.

As I said earlier Nolan should have fully committed to that story line or ditched it.

I don't think this (nolan's) batman was built like that. He said he was ready to give up being batman for old girl in the first two movies in this one.

Also I get what you saying on the pledge, but what good is the pledge if you are seen as the villian. Now I do think they could have done better with that aspect in this movie because outside of the chief of police, it seemed like no one was buying it that he actually killed harvey or cared either which way.

I will say this also about nolan, he is kind of ambiguous with time. I haven't seen the second one in awhile but I never took the first two movies as being within one year. Outside of the reference in Begins to the joker, I figured he had been batman for awhile by the time the events of the TDK took place.

 

[D-NICE]

it wasn't because he was a wanted man. why he went back in the 1st place while STILL a wanted man???

he came back because he felt like he found purpose again, in spite of alfred's cry for him not to return back.

He probably went back cause gordon got shot. Outside of that, I can't really give you any other reason for him to go back to being batman. All I'm saying is its pretty easy to stay in for the night for a few years if you not only getting shot at from the front by a criminal you trying to apprehend but from the back by the police you trying to help.

 

[Allah]

come to think of it, 8 years with NO crime in a city like that? even if they just locked everybody up, wouldnt banes army be waaay bigger than the police force [assuming that like everywhere esle in the world criminals outnumber law enforcement].

"stop nitpicking" i know i know