The Cavs Andrew Wiggins/Kevin Love Dilemma*Update* Deal is finalized

[blackzeus]

Love was a better player than Wiggins in college. His UCLA stats are superior to Wiggins across the board.

Stop worrying about hype and look at the stats breh

Kevin Love is only 25 years old, Kevin Love and Lebron James is a championship nucleus, Those two together could go strong for another 3-5 years. So unless Wiggins is going to be a perennial all star and more importantly be a long term Cav (cause let's face it, who the f*ck wants to live in Cleveland for the long term other than ), you make that trade.

 

[Frump]

The Cavs already have a superstar, franchise player. They have another talented offensive perimeter player as well. They don't need Wiggins to be a superstar or anywhere near it. If he plays strong D and gets his points on the break and cutting they are good and they still have the flexibility to bring in a rim protection and they won't have to worry about paying him for 4 years. Conversely K. Love has to be prime Tim Duncan for this deal to truly be worth the Cavs while. People talk about 26 and 12. Well he's not gonna be scoring 26 ppg with Bron and Kyrie taking turns controlling the ball. His rebounding would be valuable but frankly you should be able to get rebounding production like that out of Thompson and Bennett combined for a fraction of the price. That's what people are overlooking here. You bring in Love and you have 90% of your cap room tied up in 3 guys with no interior presence and only one perimeter defender. There are two sides to the court and once you have not only one but two capable offensive options your focus should be surrounding them with defense.

So Love has to turn into a top 10 player of all time to win the trade

 

[KingpinOG]

waiters and bennett to philly barea to cleveland also imo

Wiggins and Bennett is more than enough for Love. There is no way the Cavs are throwing in picks, Waiters, and taking on bad contracts too.

 

[FTBS]

That was more wiggins in hs by draft time almost every scout and gm


Solove has to turn into a top 10 player of all time to win the trade

When you have that much money tied up in 3 guys you are basically looking to them to do everything on both ends. They have to win titles, not compete, not maybe make a Finals or two but win titles in order to win this trade. In order for that to happen they would need a Duncan like impact on both ends. If you are giving a guy a max deal AND giving up talented prospects for him he should be great...all time great.

 

[Cladyclad]

Man I wanted to see Bron & Wiggins wreck the league. I could envision fast break dunks every other play. Just when I was becoming a true fan of Bron. He wants to get rid of the Canadian. Bron don't even acknowledge the Rookie.
That niqqa Bron ain't never even talk to Wiggins yet.
I kinda hope this blows up in Bron face. Wiggins will be great. I feel it.

 

[Cladyclad]

The Cavs already have a superstar, franchise player. They have another talented offensive perimeter player as well. They don't need Wiggins to be a superstar or anywhere near it. If he plays strong D and gets his points on the break and cutting they are good and they still have the flexibility to bring in a rim protection and they won't have to worry about paying him for 4 years. Conversely K. Love has to be prime Tim Duncan for this deal to truly be worth the Cavs while. People talk about 26 and 12. Well he's not gonna be scoring 26 ppg with Bron and Kyrie taking turns controlling the ball. His rebounding would be valuable but frankly you should be able to get rebounding production like that out of Thompson and Bennett combined for a fraction of the price. That's what people are overlooking here. You bring in Love and you have 90% of your cap room tied up in 3 guys with no interior presence and only one perimeter defender. There are two sides to the court and once you have not only one but two capable offensive options your focus should be surrounding them with defense.

This.

Quiet as kept I think Mia is better than the Cavs. Well if Wade can play 70 games they will be better

 

[954UAlreadyknow]

The Cavs already have a superstar, franchise player. They have another talented offensive perimeter player as well. They don't need Wiggins to be a superstar or anywhere near it. If he plays strong D and gets his points on the break and cutting they are good and they still have the flexibility to bring in a rim protection and they won't have to worry about paying him for 4 years. Conversely K. Love has to be prime Tim Duncan for this deal to truly be worth the Cavs while. People talk about 26 and 12. Well he's not gonna be scoring 26 ppg with Bron and Kyrie taking turns controlling the ball. His rebounding would be valuable but frankly you should be able to get rebounding production like that out of Thompson and Bennett combined for a fraction of the price. That's what people are overlooking here. You bring in Love and you have 90% of your cap room tied up in 3 guys with no interior presence and only one perimeter defender. There are two sides to the court and once you have not only one but two capable offensive options your focus should be surrounding them with defense.

Wish I could rep you a 100 times





This exactly how I feel about the situation

 

[Alex Cross]

This.

Quiet as kept I think Mia is better than the Cavs. Well if Wade can play 70 games they will be better

Wade play more games with way more usage. Not gonna happen. Either way i still think the Cavs will be better. I think MIA will struggle early in the season figuring out who will be options 1 & 2.

Bosh Should be 1 but idk if Wade will give it up to him like he did to Bron.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

I think the Cavs would be dumb not to trade wiggins for love and I believe in wiggins potential as a superstar. But at the end of the day one in the hand is worth more than 2 in the bushes. Wiggins has huge potential but there's two sides to potential. I personally believe he will live up to it but nothing is guaranteed. Love right now is a 26-12 player. To me it's a no brainier. Even of Wiggins turns out to be a generational player. All that being said I still don't understand how people try to undersell what wiggins did in kansas as a freshman . Averaging 17 as a freshman in the big 12 is no joke. I keep reading "that nikka is trash" and "that nikka showed me nothing in kansas" and " that nikka is a bust". Like wtf did I miss . People act like the gap from 17 points to 20 is boundless. If Drew averaged 20 points all this overrated talk would be. I would be willing to bet my full years college tuition money that if wiggins stayed in kansas he'd average at least 22 points this year. I'm confused if it's just lack of bball iq by people or just extreme expectations. I swear I think some nikkas on this board only watch ESPN and didn't actually watch wiggins in high school so when they heard "best prospect since lebron" they legit expected 18 year old lebron to suit up for kansas. Nikkas must've thought he'd be out here averaging 26-6-8 in college. To be real if I based my expectations on wiggins coming into the season only on what I heard on ESPN and not my own evaluation of his skills, I'd think he was an overrated bust too. Good thing I'm smart enough to realize them ESPN cacs are full of sh1t . Told my homie a month before college bball started out of Parker, Wiggins, and randle wiggins would look the worst because his strengths and weaknesses aren't suited for kansas or college bball and he'd average 15-18 ppg. Anyways after this I'm done trying to convince nikkas about wiggins. It's up to his play now

 

[FTBS]

This.

Quiet as kept I think Mia is better than the Cavs. Well if Wade can play 70 games they will be better

Wade is done breh. And if he's not all the vitriol directed at Bron from Heat fans should be clearly aimed at him. You gonna wait until Bron, and in turn the championship window, leaves to get in shape? If he and Deng are able to turn the clock back 4 years or so then then I could see but that is a pretty big "if".

 

[Regular_P]

When you have that much money tied up in 3 guys you are basically looking to them to do everything on both ends. They have to win titles, not compete, not maybe make a Finals or two but win titles in order to win this trade. In order for that to happen they would need a Duncan like impact on both ends. If you are giving a guy a max deal AND giving up talented prospects for him he should be great...all time great.

Some of you guys are outrageous. Wiggins is not going to be the next all-time great. No matter how he turns out, he will not be better than Love in the next 3-4 years.

The Cavs are never going to be a dynasty. They couldn't win with LeBron his first go-round, what makes you think there's gonna be some sustained excellence this time?

All they have to do is win one title for this to pay off. With LeBron, Irving and Love, they have by far the best trio in the East, so they're definitely going to have a chance.

 

[Cladyclad]

Wade is done breh. And if he's not all the vitriol directed at Bron from Heat fans should be clearly aimed at him. You gonna wait until Bron, and in turn the championship window, leaves to get in shape? If he and Deng are able to turn the clock back 4 years or so then then I could see but that is a pretty big "if".

Wade just had a bad Finals. He looked great prior to that. It's obvious he was hurting and only playing because of the Finals. But If Wade get his Germany on like Da Gawd. I see the Heat being a top 3 seed. Wade & Bosh are top 20 players still. And Deng still is a top tier sf. Not to many teams have that. But with that said u r prolly right

 

[Malta]

Love right now is a 26-12 player.

This is a terrible argument to be honest, I keep seeing people say this over and over again, yeah he's a 26ppg scorer on the Wolves where he's the focal point of the offense (18.5 FGA per game). Everyone seems to forget Chris Bosh was a 24/11 guy right before he joined the Heat, Love will go from being the focal point of a team to 2nd option, and possibly even 3rd option since Kyrie will have the ball in his hands more than him.

The rebounding should be consistent but there's no way in hell he's going to sniff 26ppg with LeBron, Kyrie and Dion in the starting 5 with him. You have 4 very high usage players in the same starting 5, two of which couldn't even figure out how to play with one another last season.

 

[Frump]

When you have that much money tied up in 3 guys you are basically looking to them to do everything on both ends. They have to win titles, not compete, not maybe make a Finals or two but win titles in order to win this trade. In order for that to happen they would need a Duncan like impact on both ends. If you are giving a guy a max deal AND giving up talented prospects for him he should be great...all time great.

Lebron took a d league team to the finals in Cleveland and won a title two years ago with bosh turning into Sam Perkins and wade up and down the idea he needs a Tim duncN level player to win a title is absurd

 

[FTBS]

Some of you guys are outrageous. Wiggins is not going to be the next all-time great. No matter how he turns out, he will not be better than Love in the next 3-4 years.

The Cavs are never going to be a dynasty. They couldn't win with LeBron his first go-round, what makes you think there's gonna be some sustained excellence this time?

All they have to do is win one title for this to pay off. With LeBron, Irving and Love, they have by far the best trio in the East, so they're definitely going to have a chance.

Wiggins doesn't have to be an all-time great or better then or even as good as Love. What part of this is confusing? This isn't NBA Live/2K. Winning is about having team that fits together not just putting as many big names together as possible. When did I say anything about sustained excellence or a dynasty? Right now the Cavs are better off with Wiggins playing D and scoring off of alley-oops and put backs AND depth/flexibility up front than they are pining all their hopes on 2 injury prone guys who don't play defense and Lebron and that's it. You don't pay 3 guys the max AND trade Wiggins for a "chance" breh. They had chances with Bron the first go-round. They will have chances without Love. You only make this deal if it all but guarantees titles and it does not.