He's not a player who needs the ball to be successful on offense. Bosh always had the ball in Toronto; Love didn't always have it in Minnesota, even though he was the first option.
The Cavs Andrew Wiggins/Kevin Love Dilemma*Update* Deal is finalized
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I have a feeling you and a lot of other posters in this thread are gonna have their posts bumped when Cleveland is like 40-10 at the All-Star break.Wiggins doesn't have to be an all-time great or better then or even as good as Love. What part of this is confusing?
This isn't NBA Live/2K. Winning is about having team that fits together not just putting as many big names together as possible. When did I say anything about sustained excellence or a dynasty? Right now the Cavs are better off with Wiggins playing D and scoring off of alley-oops and put backs AND depth/flexibility up front than they are pining all their hopes on 2 injury prone guys who don't play defense and Lebron and that's it. You don't pay 3 guys the max AND trade Wiggins for a "chance" breh. They had chances with Bron the first go-round. They will have chances without Love. You only make this deal if it all but guarantees titles and it does not.
He gets the ball a lot in Minnie, his usage rate is slightly higher than Bosh during his time in Toronto.
He's more of a outlet than Bosh was, but at the same time the Cavs also have Waiters who controls the ball.
I think Wade recognizes he's not that #1 guy anymore. He should still put up around 18/5/5 on good percentages imo.
That D League team was great at interior defense and rebounding. Wade and Bosh were better two way players than Kyrie and Love.
Lebron was gone regardless, Wade straight up said many nights he was willing to play and they got extra cautious to the point he wasn't in game shape. Nothing was wrong with his knees in the playoffs, he was just not in game shape.Wade is done breh. And if he's not all the vitriol directed at Bron from Heat fans should be clearly aimed at him. You gonna wait until Bron, and in turn the championship window, leaves to get in shape?If he and Deng are able to turn the clock back 4 years or so then then I could see but that is a pretty big "if".
Wade or Bosh could never play their game with Lebron there, and it got worse this year. That's just the facts of the shyt. Judging Wade and Bosh production for this coming year by how they played with Lebron taking more and more shots each year isn't going to be accurate.
Both putting up 20+ won't be a surprise
Of course he's not gonna put up those numbers the point is players like love and bosh can be on contending teams as a second or third wheel not a first.
You also are talking about Lebron who's 5x as good as anyone else people are acting as if he needs perfect flawless. all time great players to contend which is absurd
He needs young legs which he'll have and two all star level players in their prime I'm sure the cavs will be fine
Way better? Lol it's 2014 not 2010 anymore neither player was consistently reliable.wade was a gimp this year and bosh was embarrassing against the pacers
By the end of the year it was like bron in Cleveland all over again
The problem here is that Bosh was a better defender than Love, by a pretty large margin and as good as LeBron is he can't guard everyone on the opposing team. LeBron's defense last year saw some signs of slippage too....
The Cavs are going to need a defensive center to make up for Love & Kyrie's defense. You all are only focusing on the offense, the Cavs have put old legs on the bench as Waiters & LeBrons subs.
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Some of you guys are outrageous. Wiggins is not going to be the next all-time great. No matter how he turns out, he will not be better than Love in the next 3-4 years.
The Cavs are never going to be a dynasty. They couldn't win with LeBron his first go-round, what makes you think there's gonna be some sustained excellence this time?
All they have to do is win one title for this to pay off. With LeBron, Irving and Love, they have by far the best trio in the East, so they're definitely going to have a chance.
At the very least Wiggins will be a very good perimeter defender to pair with Bron. THAT IS HUGE!
Love will NOT sniff 26PPG on a Cavs team with Bron, Kyrie, and Waiters. NOT HAPPENING. And he's not a great interior defender, so the only thing he will bring is rebounding!?!?
What do the cavs do about defense once they give up so much cap space and so many players for him?
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You can find those role players much easier then a top 10 player they'll eventually find suitable role players like the heat did
As I said people are underestimating how unreliable wade and bosh currently are
That's my point. He knows how to play without the ball. It took Bosh a while to get adjusted to that.
I think it's gonna be a beautiful fit with Love, plus his rebounding/passing is gonna help them get a lot of easy buckets. They won't be as sharp as Miami was defensively, but their offense should be REALLY balanced and efficient, especially if Blatt is the guru people say he is. That will improve their defense.
How is any of this gonna improve with Bron gone and that much more pressure and wear and tear on dude?
Wade played his game just fine in 2010 before the injuries took over and had plenty of flashes after the fact with Lebron. I didn't say anything about Bosh. Bosh is gonna be Bosh. The Heat aint' winning shyt without Wade and Deng doing their thing though.
No, you can't find good role players when you're capped out, see the Heat last year.
The Cavs have to find a center and pretty much pray the new TV deal raises the cap to around 80 million.
Bosh and Wade were two way players, the second you saw some serious decline from Wade's defense is when the wheels fell off.