The Cavs Andrew Wiggins/Kevin Love Dilemma*Update* Deal is finalized

[BStapies]

It doesn't make sense to have your 3 max players all hanging out on the perimeter. Therefore a traditional front court player is more valuable to a squad with Bron and Kyrie.

nikkas can improve on their 15 footer. You really gonna give up all your flexibility cause a nikka got a J? They need more than just operating for the max and young assets.

I never said or suggested Thompson/Bennett would be better, obviously they aren't. It's not about better, it's about fit. You already have a superstar and a star. You need nikkas to fill roles now unless of course they are a beast in the post on both ends.

You dont watch the timberwolves if you think Kevin Love sits on the perimeter.

And its pretty obvious you dont watch the timberwolves by the way.

I dont even know why you keep replying to people when you obviously never watched Kevin Love play. Hes offensively the most versatile PF in the NBA.

"But yea he just sits on the 3 point line" - something a nikka that doesnt watch would say

 

[FTBS]

Like I've already mentioned Love is excellent in the post. LeBron can play in the post.

Love is also an excellent passer. Something the Cavaliers have never had in the front court.

Irving, Waiters, and LeBron are all good to great ball handlers that can penetrate a defense and finish at the rim.

They have shooters to space the floor. They'll have 3 of the best rebounders in the league in Varejao, Love, and Thompson.

They have perimeter defense. The only thing missing is an interior defender and there are still a handful of those left in free agency that they can kick the tires on for a year.

Love actually has a post game, its not like he's sitting outside the 3 point line with his hand up. I'd go so far to say that he has the most complete and versatile offensive game for a power forward in the league.

As someone in here said a few pages back, part of defense is rebounding...we know Love is gonna give up some points in the paint but eliminating 2nd chance opportunities is important too, especially in the playoffs.

I am not denying the post game. I am not prepared to call it excellent though. You all make some points but interior defense is still extremely important. Rebounding and 2nd chance points don't matter if dudes are having their way at the basket. But hey I have been wrong before .

 

[threattonature]

...are we forgetting that the cap will rise in a couple of years with the new TV deals...

Are you forgetting that Lebron signed a short term deal so that he can reup for a much larger contract if the TV deal. Love will be at around 18-20, Kyrie likely around 16 and Lebron will likely be around 25 or more depending on how high the cap jumps. So even if the cap jumps Lebron and possibly Love will both have contract hikes that'll jump with it negating the new cap jump.

 

[Mr swag]

The big 3 still would have worked out fine today if DWade knees weren't so shot and declined as fast as he did. That won't be the case with the Cavaliers. Lebron has been healthy his whole career & has never had a major injury. Kyrie and Dion are only 22 and Klove will be 26 at the start of the season.

They have no bosh in the front court. Love will play zero defense.

Love and Kyrie will now be jump shooters.

 

[jaguar paw]

I am not denying the post game. I am not prepared to call it excellent though. You all make some points but interior defense is still extremely important. Rebounding and 2nd chance points don't matter if dudes are having their way at the basket. But hey I have been wrong before .

Defense also is heavily dependent on coaching and schemes.

Having players in the correct position and being able to hide weaknesses.

This is something that David Blatt is known for.

 

[Mr swag]

...are we forgetting that the cap will rise in a couple of years with the new TV deals...

You realize max contracts are a percentage of the cap and not a set number?

Example. John wall is 25% of the wizards cap no matter what the cap is.

 

[Leasy]

I know wiggins just wish he went to the sixers all along.

 

[FTBS]

You dont watch the timberwolves if you think Kevin Love sits on the perimeter.

And its pretty obvious you dont watch the timberwolves by the way.

I dont even know why you keep replying to people when you obviously never watched Kevin Love play. Hes offensively the most versatile PF in the NBA.

"But yea he just sits on the 3 point line" - something a nikka that doesnt watch would say

I have watched them. Don't watch every game obviously but I have seen a couple. I saw a bunch of 3's goin up. I don't see how suggesting that guy that is top 5 in 3pt attempts, hangs out behind the 3pt line is especially fallacious. Never said he had no post game or lacked versatiity. The question is what he does so great in the role he'll be playing that it makes up for what he doesn't do? We will see.

 

[DaRock]

Are you forgetting that Lebron signed a short term deal so that he can reup for a much larger contract if the TV deal. Love will be at around 18-20, Kyrie likely around 16 and Lebron will likely be around 25 or more depending on how high the cap jumps. So even if the cap jumps Lebron and possibly Love will both have contract hikes that'll jump with it negating the new cap jump.

Even if your projected numbers are right...they still won't be in the same situation as Miami...

 

[threattonature]

Al Horford
Brook Lopez
Al Jefferson
Javale McGee
Andrew Bogut
Roy Hibbert
Larry Sanders
Demarcus Cousins
Marcin Gortat
Tyson Chandler
Timofey Mozgov

Could all be traded straight up for Haywood's expiring deal. Of course, the season has to play out and we don't know who's going to be changing directions at the end of the season.

Next years draft is also loaded with big men. They could trade for one of the vets and then develop their own with one of the two picks they have in 2015.

LMAO WTF. Only dudes on the list that can probably be had for an expiring are Mozgov, Sanders (depending on how he bounces back this year), and McGee. Bigs who can play post defense aren't just readily available like that. Hell if they were Miami would've signed one the last few years.

 

[Microfracture]

I am not denying the post game. I am not prepared to call it excellent though. You all make some points but interior defense is still extremely important. Rebounding and 2nd chance points don't matter if dudes are having their way at the basket. But hey I have been wrong before .

Free agency isn't over. If we're arguing about the glaring need of the Cavs ON HERE before the season starts, don't you think Griffin and Blatt know the greatest area of need? For all we know Dieng could be in this deal. We didn't know about Marion until yesterday. All the behind the scenes stuff may not have come to pass yet.

 

[Brozay]

at what point does this back & forth get stale?

we need the season to start

 

[jaguar paw]

LMAO WTF. Only dudes on the list that can probably be had for an expiring are Mozgov, Sanders (depending on how he bounces back this year), and McGee. Bigs who can play post defense aren't just readily available like that. Hell if they were Miami would've signed one the last few years.

If I told you a year ago that the Cavs would sign Kyrie to a max contract, sign LeBron, draft Wiggins, and would be in prime position to trade for Kevin Love you'd have the same reaction you have right now.

You don't know how the year will play out or what will happen.

 

[threattonature]

You realize max contracts are a percentage of the cap and not a set number?

Example. John wall is 25% of the wizards cap no matter what the cap is.

In dude's defense though it's a percentage of the cap at the time of you signing. So say in two years if the cap jumps up an extra 10 million that won't affect Wall's contract at all as his numbers are locked in already. That's the reason Lebron did his contract the way he did. That way if there is a huge cap jump then he can sign long term at a much higher number. Which Lebron is elgible for 35% of the cap so there won't be much room around him either way.

 

[FTBS]

Defense also is heavily dependent on coaching and schemes.

Having players in the correct position and being able to hide weaknesses.

This is something that David Blatt is known for.

You can only hide so many weaknesses. Having 2 of your top 3 players being amongst the worst at their position at defense isn't a good look. When you have 3 max guys they are gonna have a lot of responsibility on both ends.

Free agency isn't over. If we're arguing about the glaring need of the Cavs ON HERE before the season starts, don't you think Griffin and Blatt know the greatest area of need? For all we know Dieng could be in this deal. We didn't know about Marion until yesterday. All the behind the scenes stuff may not have come to pass yet.

True but we can only operate off of what we do know. If things change then obviously we have to operate based off of that new info. Like I said, we'll see.