The Cavs Andrew Wiggins/Kevin Love Dilemma*Update* Deal is finalized

[FTBS]

1. They arent recreating the same team. Having one of your big 3 at the point guard position > at the shooting guard position. It throws out the whole aspect of PGs like Tony Parker,D Rose and Westbrook being able to sleep on defense because they have to guard shytty chalmers who shoots 13% from the court.

2. They didnt even win in 2010 so why would they need that D Wade

As long as Kyrie can take pressure of Lebron (which he can), Its up to the role players. Heat big 3 in 2010 > Heat big 3 in 2012/2013 but they had the role players that helped them win championships.

Dion Waiters alone is better than anyone outside the Heat big 3. Then Mike Miller, Trisitan Thompson ect

Bron is 30 with the most miles before that age ever. You can't expect him to remain at 2012 levels especially on defense for much longer. You can't ask him at 30-35 to do what he was doing from 25-29.

There is this little thing called cross matches. That said it's not like Kyrie is gonna do anything to stop them and all 3 of them are better than him.

They didn't win in 2010 because Lebron went . Of all those role players they have who is gonna stop opposing wings from getting off and stop people in general from going to the hole at will.

 

[threattonature]

I didn't say anything about swaying him. No matter what Bron does or doesn't do the team is better off with Bosh and Wade's signings out of the way, especially if it's for a discount. They couldn't make any moves with those guys cap holds being what they were. If you wanna shyt on Bron, fine. However to act like it made any sense whatsoever or benefited the team in any way, for those dude to wait until after he made his move to re-sign, from the same bias perspective that makes you lash out at Bron mind you, is just intellectually dishonest.

I thought the reason Bosh and Wade were waiting to resign was to see what free agents were willing to sign so that they knew what kind of paycut they would need to take. Bosh made it known he was willing to take a pay cut if all three were coming back so it makes sense for him to wait on Lebron to see if he needs to take a pay cut, or if he needs to chase the money if Lebron leaves. With that said I don't think Lebron owed any of them anything once he knew he was leaving.

Plus anybody coming to Miami would've had to take a likely pay cut it would be to compete for a title. No way in hell no one would agree to do that with rumors flying that Lebron was not a sure thing to come back. I can understand not blaming Lebron for that scenario, but it's being dishonest to ignore that the Leborn factor played a part in the Heat whiffing on free agents.

 

[threattonature]

If thats the case why is James Harden considered the best SG in the NBA and not Klay Thompson?

And that's also why Houston went home in the first round. Who gives a fukk who is considered the best player off the court? Games are played on the court and teams with two way players usually fare better. The reason the Spurs curb stomped Miami was due to the fact that Miami had turned into a team with a bunch of one way players.

 

[BStapies]

And that's also why Houston went home in the first round. Who gives a fukk who is considered the best player off the court? Games are played on the court and teams with two way players usually fare better. The reason the Spurs curb stomped Miami was due to the fact that Miami had turned into a team with a bunch of one way players.

Yea nobody could score besides Lebron.

 

[KingOFKings]

You are comparing apples to oranges. Yet okay..I will play your game.

James Harden is an efficient SG who can take over games by himself and win, Kevin Love is a scoring PF who requires major touches in order to make some sort of an impact. James Harden has the same career FG % as Kevin Love, and James Harden is a SG...think about that for one second. James Harden will win you games with his O, Kevin Love does not.

James Harden also has the capability of being a decent defender, he just gets lazy.

Kevin Love's d is non existent whether he tries or not..

Klay Thompson is a 3 and D guy, no one is saying he's bad, nor putting him out of being one of the top 5 or so SG's in the league. That being said, he still had 75 percent of his points set up for him last year. If you are trying to say Bosh is limited offensively in the same way in comparison to Love, then you are sadly misinformed and need to go back to the drawing table.

 

[FTBS]

I thought the reason Bosh and Wade were waiting to resign was to see what free agents were willing to sign so that they knew what kind of paycut they would need to take. Bosh made it known he was willing to take a pay cut if all three were coming back so it makes sense for him to wait on Lebron to see if he needs to take a pay cut, or if he needs to chase the money if Lebron leaves. With that said I don't think Lebron owed any of them anything once he knew he was leaving.

Plus anybody coming to Miami would've had to take a likely pay cut it would be to compete for a title. No way in hell no one would agree to do that with rumors flying that Lebron was not a sure thing to come back. I can understand not blaming Lebron for that scenario, but it's being dishonest to ignore that the Leborn factor played a part in the Heat whiffing on free agents.

Who is saying this though? I just think it's equally dishonest to act like it was all him.

 

[BStapies]

You are comparing apples to oranges. Yet okay..I will play your game.

James Harden is an efficient SG who can take over games by himself and win, Kevin Love is a scoring PF who requires major touches in order to make some sort of an impact. James Harden has the same career FG % as Kevin Love, and James Harden is a SG...think about that for one second. James Harden will win you games with his O, Kevin Love does not.

James Harden also has the capability of being a decent defender, he just gets lazy.

Kevin Love's d is non existent whether he tries or not..

Klay Thompson is a 3 and D guy, no one is saying he's bad, nor putting him out of being one of the top 5 or so SG's in the league. That being said, he still had 75 percent of his points set up for him last year. If you are trying to say Bosh is limited offensively in the same way in comparison to Love, then you are sadly misinformed and need to go back to the drawing table.

What a bunch of BS lmao

James Harden is the worse defensive player in the NBA. Bar none

 

[MikelArteta]

thats why i find it so funny people saying bron going back hes a slave on the plantation etc.

bron is pulling the strings and basically running the team, whatever he wants he gets

 

[Microfracture]

You are comparing apples to oranges. Yet okay..I will play your game.

James Harden is an efficient SG who can take over games by himself and win, Kevin Love is a scoring PF who requires major touches in order to make some sort of an impact. James Harden has the same career FG % as Kevin Love, and James Harden is a SG...think about that for one second. James Harden will win you games with his O, Kevin Love does not.

James Harden also has the capability of being a decent defender, he just gets lazy.

Kevin Love's d is non existent whether he tries or not..

Klay Thompson is a 3 and D guy, no one is saying he's bad, nor putting him out of being one of the top 5 or so SG's in the league. That being said, he still had 75 percent of his points set up for him last year. If you are trying to say Bosh is limited offensively in the same way in comparison to Love, then you are sadly misinformed and need to go back to the drawing table.

The bolded is ridiculous breh.

 

[Goat poster]

If thats the case why is James Harden considered the best SG in the NBA and not Klay Thompson?

Because people are stupid.

I'd want neither as my #1 but if I already had a great #1 scorer and a team with a deep bench I'd take Clay over bytch ass Harden in a HEARTBEAT.

Klay doesn't CONSTANTLY need the ball in his hands to be effective and can actually guard players on the other end of the floor.
It's a reason GS said he was off limits in the Kevin Love deal.

 

[BStapies]

From watching this video. You can tell Kevin Love gives up contest to get the rebound. Defense isnt just about shot blocking though and I dont think people on the coli understand that. Rebounding is also apart of defense too and hes one of the best rebounding PF in the NBA.

I think hes pretty average defensively. Either hes gonna contest the shot, or give up the shot and get the rebound.

In my opinion,the fact that he clearly looks for rebounds over defensive commitment is what gives people the perception that he's a bad defender. He's an average defender chasing stats, which makes him somewhat below average. He is not horrible on defense.

 

[threattonature]

Isn't that exactly what happened with Napier though? From a logical perspective why would the Heat not try to get the best players possible regardless of what Bron was gonna do? We gotta call a spade a spade, Riles whiffed on "retooling". Bron's mind was probably already made up but we can just act like Bron is to blame for everything. Wade and Bosh could've signed for discount off rip and freed up cap room.

Who is saying this though? I just think it's equally dishonest to act like it was all him.

You're acting like Lebron resigning or not has no affect on if the Heat were able to sign free agents. If a team is trying to convince a free agent to sign for less than market value off the strength of bringing back the big 3 and rumors are flying that Lebron is leaving then you can't knock the organization for not being able to close the deal. The players the Heat are able to go after are completely different money wise if Lebron does or does not resign. I don't think Lebron should be shyt on for that as he's looking out for his own best interests but he also shouldn't be given the excuse of Riley whiffing in free agency as to why he left when Lebron himself played a large part in the whiffs.

 

[FTBS]

You're acting like Lebron resigning or not has no affect on if the Heat were able to sign free agents. If a team is trying to convince a free agent to sign for less than market value off the strength of bringing back the big 3 and rumors are flying that Lebron is leaving then you can't knock the organization for not being able to close the deal. The players the Heat are able to go after are completely different money wise if Lebron does or does not resign. I don't think Lebron should be shyt on for that as he's looking out for his own best interests but he also shouldn't be given the excuse of Riley whiffing in free agency as to why he left when Lebron himself played a large part in the whiffs.

How so? When did I say or imply this? I merely point out things out side of Bron that could have been handled differently that people don't seem to want to talk about. Of course it had an effect. I just think having no cap room had a bigger effect. You aren't gonna be able to sign to many quality players with $60+ mil in cap holds on the books no matter what Bron says or does.

 

[KingpinOG]

Right and what happened this year with lesser versions of Wade and Bosh and a damn near 30 year old Lebron? Kyrie/Love are lesser versions from the gate.

The problem is that there is no 2011 Dwyane Wade or 2011 Chris Bosh available for trade right now. Kevin Love is the best player available.

 

[FTBS]

The problem is that there is no 2011 Dwyane Wade or 2011 Chris Bosh available for trade right now. Kevin Love is the best player available.

Is he the best fit though? Is he really addressing their needs? You dont just grab whoever the most talented player available is for the hell of it. If they arent Wade/Bosh 2012 level then are they really worth caping yourself out and pining all your hopes to? Lets not forget MIA was an all time performance from Bron and a 3 from Ray from going 0-for with the big 3. You really wanna try it again with inferior pieces and a 30+ Bron?