The American Problems and Solutions in Regards to Public Safety and Society at Large

[shonuff]

gun control is a series of steps - if you can't pass a vetted BG check, you shouldn't own a gun. how is it you have more red tape prohibiting renting a fukking car before 25, something we're licensed to drive 9 years prior, but you can buy an automatic assault rifle at 18? these are common sense controls. additionally, if we can charge $6/gallon for gas, an essential part of life, why not make ammo $6/bullet, gun use is a hobby, make people pay for the luxury of using their gun via ammo

Why? Becuase at 18 you're an adult legally speaking and as an adult you have all the rights that someone 25 30 50 or 100 has

You don't have a "right" to drive or be able to rent a car ...you DO have a right to own a gun just like you have a right to vote, a right to not have your property taken by the govt, or to be made to be a witness against yourself or say what you want about the govt or any old subject with out the government censoring you ....


There's no such thing as prohibiting someone of their "right" to something thats clearly granted by constitutional law becuase they are an adult but in the opinion of some "not adult" enough ...

 

[shonuff]

and where the fukk does it say the words 18 or 21 in the constitution? your position is that 10 year olds can buy guns?

not to mention that the second amendment specifically says "WELL REGULATED"

It doesn't--YOU proposed that someone should be 21 to buy a gun - and thats simply not how the law works - the law considers you to be an adult at 18 and at 18 as an adult you have rights - not just some rights ...but all the same rights that someone else who is an adult has ....

 

[Sir Richard Spirit]

Why? Becuase at 18 you're an adult legally speaking and as an adult you have all the rights that someone 25 30 50 or 100 has

You don't have a "right" to drive or be able to rent a car ...you DO have a right to own a gun just like you have a right to vote, a right to not have your property taken by the govt, or to be made to be a witness against yourself or say what you want about the govt or any old subject with out the government censoring you ....


There's no such thing as prohibiting someone of their "right" to something thats clearly granted by constitutional law becuase they are an adult but in the opinion of some "not adult" enough ...

Called shooting a gun a luxury.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Why? Becuase at 18 you're an adult legally speaking and as an adult you have all the rights that someone 25 30 50 or 100 has

You don't have a "right" to drive or be able to rent a car ...you DO have a right to own a gun just like you have a right to vote, a right to not have your property taken by the govt, or to be made to be a witness against yourself or say what you want about the govt or any old subject with out the government censoring you ....


There's no such thing as prohibiting someone of their "right" to something thats clearly granted by constitutional law becuase they are an adult but in the opinion of some "not adult" enough ...

This is a flimsy argument and others have already dissected it, so I’ll let you continue to think you’re making a point.

 

[Shogun]

Why? Becuase at 18 you're an adult legally speaking and as an adult you have all the rights that someone 25 30 50 or 100 has

You don't have a "right" to drive or be able to rent a car ...you DO have a right to own a gun just like you have a right to vote, a right to not have your property taken by the govt, or to be made to be a witness against yourself or say what you want about the govt or any old subject with out the government censoring you ....


There's no such thing as prohibiting someone of their "right" to something thats clearly granted by constitutional law becuase they are an adult but in the opinion of some "not adult" enough ...

That doesnt mean someone who is 18 can't be put under heavier scrutiny for their purchases.
If I try to buy 1000 pounds of fertilizer I'm going to have to prove to the government that I have a legitimate need/use for it.
Same should be applicable to guns.

 

[shonuff]

That doesnt mean someone who is 18 can't be put under heavier scrutiny for their purchases.
If I try to buy 1000 pounds of fertilizer I'm going to have to prove to the government that I have a legitimate need/use for it.
Same should be applicable to guns.

Sigh
scrutinize sure - but they ( the govt ) can't prohibit so yeh ultimately he could buy a gun ( and mind you he brought 2 which is no where near the same as someone buy a 1000lbs of fertilizer with no farm )

AGAIN

you don't have a Constitutional right to buy fertilizer

So comparing something that ISNT a right to something that IS doesn't make the point you're trying to make ...

If the government tries to take your property even through eminent domain thats still a due process because you have a constitutional right to not have your property taken by government at will with no other resort or accountability

You have a constitutional right as an adult to own a gun - so before all else that issue cannot be ignored with all the proposals for solutions ...

 

[Hood Critic]

Fox news is the pinnacle of intellectual dishonesty. I just wonder what the level of addiction to drugs and alcohol is to knowingly be obtuse in order to achieve some social and political goals that will never fully be recognized.

 

[BlackCinema]

Maybe one day America and all of us in it will attack the source and not the symptoms which is ourselves and how far we have sunken into deprivation. I'm all for gun reform to some degree but I also believe a worse demon would rise from inaccessibility to guns which non of us can foresee at the moment.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[Shogun]

Sigh
scrutinize sure - but they ( the govt ) can't prohibit so yeh ultimately he could buy a gun ( and mind you he brought 2 which is no where near the same as someone buy a 1000lbs of fertilizer with no farm )

AGAIN

you don't have a Constitutional right to buy fertilizer

So comparing something that ISNT a right to something that IS doesn't make the point you're trying to make ...

If the government tries to take your property even through eminent domain thats still a due process because you have a constitutional right to not have your property taken by government at will with no other resort or accountability

You have a constitutional right as an adult to own a gun - so before all else that issue cannot be ignored with all the proposals for solutions ...

You only have that right because of a questionable SCOTUS interpretation of the second amendment.
We all know how fickle those can be...

 

[Shogun]

double

 

[shonuff]

You only have that right because of a questionable SCOTUS interpretation of the second amendment.
We all know how fickle those can be...

Hmm well as questionable as you may think it- its still a right and the court further defined the boundaries of that right so....its what the the ultimate law is...

But if you want to say that its up for debate and that the court doesn't have to respect its previous rulings then that kind of reasoning is whats about to go down with Roe and with a very conservative bench any law passed or decision from this court will definitely come down on the broadest interpretation of the 2A as it applies to individuals

Hell this court is likely to strike down most state laws that restrict or prohibit concealed carry ...

How dudes are saying that laws can be enacted to undermine a very pro-gun court and a legislature retaken by the repugnancans ...

Dudes are just saying shyt they want to hear and still doing the shyt liberals have been doing for the last 6 years - convincing themselves that they know whats up only to get slapped into reality by the voting public

 

[acri1]

Pretty much nothing will change until white people stop voting for Republicans like Ted Cruz. Which I doubt will ever happen.

We can have all the solutions in the world but it's useless if everything dies in the Senate.

 

[Lord Beasley]

as a country, i believe we're screwed. the avid guntoters (so happens to be mostly far-right leaning individuals) will take up arms to defend their "right" to bear arms. in 2017, that man killed/caused the deaths of 61 people at a country festival (so you know the types there) and the only meaningful legislation we saw was ban on bumpstocks, not a restriction on access to assault weapons.

sh*t that doesn't make sense to me:
You can't legally purchase cigarettes or weed @ the age of 18, but you can buy guns
You can't enter a stripclub that serves alcohol @ the age of 18, but you can buy guns
There are more restrictions on applying for a driver's license than buying a gun

and soon, women might not be able to legally obtain abortions in many states...but they can buy guns.

a certain political party does not care about the greater good of anyone, including their constituency.

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

as a country, i believe we're screwed. the avid guntoters (so happens to be mostly far-right leaning individuals) will take up arms to defend their "right" to bear arms. in 2017, that man killed/caused the deaths of 61 people at a country festival (so you know the types there) and the only meaningful legislation we saw was ban on bumpstocks, not a restriction on access to assault weapons.

sh*t that doesn't make sense to me:
You can't legally purchase cigarettes or weed @ the age of 18, but you can buy guns
You can't enter a stripclub that serves alcohol @ the age of 18, but you can buy guns
There are more restrictions on applying for a driver's license than buying a gun

and soon, women might not be able to legally obtain abortions in many states...but they can buy guns.

a certain political party does not care about the greater good of anyone, including their constituency.

They'll start caring once they turn against the government