The American Problems and Solutions in Regards to Public Safety and Society at Large

[shonuff]

21 is more mature than 18. The laws think so, hence the drinking age being 21.

Hmm no

you don't have a constitutional right to drink which is why the law can limit who can or can't drink by age

You DO have a constitutional right to own a gun- or vote - or speak out against govt

You dont get to be limited on what you can vote for by age or what you can say ...at 18 versus 21

The law is that you are legally an adult at 18 ...the fact that you may be immature isn't the laws fault - thats people

Its stunning that dudes don't know the differences basis of Rights and why the constitution exists- which is to limit govt power and what it can't and SHOULD NOT do

 

[shonuff]

I didn't say they were illegal purchases, I said 18 year olds shouldn't buy those weapons, the age should be bumped to 21. If it was 21, this would not have happened. It's a fact that states with stricter gun laws have lower gun death rates.

No they don't- NY IL CA have some of t g e strictest gun laws in the country and they have LOTS of gun violence in the cities of those states

And if you are talking about additional gun control measures then you are saying more laws should be enacted ...and we are right back in the same problem which is if a person passes all these legal checks to own a gun and they then go out to commit a shooting or crime how is the answer more laws ?

You're saying this wouldn't have happened if he was 21 and thats absurd - there are plenty of 21 plus year old mass shooters in the last decade or more -

 

[Mister Terrific]

Hmm no

you don't have a constitutional right to drink which is why the law can limit who can or can't drink by age

You DO have a constitutional right to own a gun- or vote - or speak out against govt

You dont get to be limited on what you can vote for by age or what you can say ...at 18 versus 21

The law is that you are legally an adult at 18 ...the fact that you may be immature isn't the laws fault - thats people

Its stunning that dudes don't know the differences basis of Rights and why the constitution exists- which is to limit govt power and what it can't and SHOULD NOT do

The constitution was written by 18th century slavers who couldn’t even come to the conclusion Black people were full human beings and also was made to be amended because even those slavers understood that times change and a nation has to adapt or die.

Your argument is so multifaceted horrible you can attack in in multiple ways. Right to bear arms isn’t even clearly defined. What arms? Powder loaded muskets or nukes? Should Blacks be allowed to bear arms? The constitutionalists certainly didn’t think so in fact the primary purpose of well regulated militias were to capture and police escaped or rebellious slaves.

Imagine having more dead babies and this is your argument for not expanding gun restrictions. Incredible

 

[mastermind]

No they don't- NY IL CA have some of t g e strictest gun laws in the country and they have LOTS of gun violence in the cities of those states

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No data is backing you up except your lust for walking around with a big gun due to maybe compensating for lacking something else.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Maybe it shouldnt be anymore or that we need to start heavily censoring the internet for minors in order to protect them from themselves. We also had the story about the 17 year old killing themselves after being blackmailed by a scammer.

Again, letting parents decide is not really working out too well. I'm not talking about physical education class twice a week. I'm talking about being on a team or something. Even if its intramurals.

I am firmly pro liberty and freedoms in many ways but americans are fukking up big time and this is just going to get worse unless we start to force these people to participate in society rather than allow them to not interact with anyone, go home and go on the internet for 12 hours and become radicalized lunatics lacking compassion for others

Yeah lemme stop you right there playboy

There is a growing social movement to normalize being a fat fukk in this country.

Combine that with kids not wanting to participate in physical activity if they don't have to and parents being more than willing to say "If my child does'nt want to do sports they shouldn't have to!" and other assorted things related to genders and pronouns, trust me, that whole PE twice a week shyt is DONE and probably going away for good soon in most places.

shyt when I was in HS we did'nt even HAVE a gym. We went from having classes in an old ass former cheese factory on Bedford Ave. and then when they gave us an actual school, we only got "gym" on the last semester of our senior year and they still would'nt let us use this tiny ass little weight room they had for us.

We had DANCE for 4 years.

DANCE breh.

Let that sink in. Big ass gym right next door in Medgar Ever College and we were'nt allowed to use it. For reasons.

 

[JJ Lions]

No they don't- NY IL CA have some of t g e strictest gun laws in the country and they have LOTS of gun violence in the cities of those states

And if you are talking about additional gun control measures then you are saying more laws should be enacted ...and we are right back in the same problem which is if a person passes all these legal checks to own a gun and they then go out to commit a shooting or crime how is the answer more laws ?

You're saying this wouldn't have happened if he was 21 and thats absurd - there are plenty of 21 plus year old mass shooters in the last decade or more -

He was 18. Try to learn to read. If the law was 21 he wouldn’t have been able to purchase those weapons. Texas gun death rate is 3x that of New York, even with NYC in those numbers, that’s how bad the gun death rate is in Red States. Again, in states with strict gun laws, death rate is lower

 

[JJ Lions]

Hmm no

you don't have a constitutional right to drink which is why the law can limit who can or can't drink by age

You DO have a constitutional right to own a gun- or vote - or speak out against govt

You dont get to be limited on what you can vote for by age or what you can say ...at 18 versus 21

The law is that you are legally an adult at 18 ...the fact that you may be immature isn't the laws fault - thats people

Its stunning that dudes don't know the differences basis of Rights and why the constitution exists- which is to limit govt power and what it can't and SHOULD NOT do

I’m beginning to think you’re a little slow, you contradict yourself and agree with me in your own post. Legally adult at 18…. but can’t buy alcohol

 

[thernbroom]

 

[Formerly Black Trash]

American culture is rotten.
There’s no law or politician that can fix it.

Yup
No putting toothpaste back in the bottle

I agree with OP
A lot of ppl without friends are alone all the time
I barely get out the house
Before ppl had church, were cool with coworkers, and relationship rates were higher

Expect to see more of this, especially since the manosphere has gotten popular

Ppl who felt alone are feeling embedded, thanks to the internet

 

[shonuff]

I’m beginning to think you’re a little slow, you contradict yourself and agree with me in your own post. Legally adult at 18…. but can’t buy alcohol

No.youre just not reading

You can be legally prevented from drinking as an 18 year old adult becuase you don't have a constitutional "right" to drink

But you can't be legally prevented from your rights if you are an adult -

To extend your premise - you can't legally prevent someone from voting becuase they aren't 21 - that would be a violation of their constitutional right - you have a constitutional right to own a weapon at 18 just like you can vote at 18 or serve in the military at 18 - the govt can mitigate it as far as where that ownership can take place ( allowed in your house but not allowed at an airport or a post office ) and maybe the type of gun you can have ( no automatics but you can have semiautomatic) but to forbid you from outright owning a gun ? the govt can't do.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

I’ve never seen someone so desperately advocate for baby murder in my life

 

[Reality]

The AR is one of the most popular models of rifle

And there's literally 10s of thousands if not 100s of thousands of other 18 years old that purchased ARs

They didn't go out and slaughter people

I know dudes can't help but inject their own armchair psycho-analyzing and suppositions about what the kid was thinking

But at the end of the day - he knew he wanted to kill others when he brought those guns ...he passed the legal qualifications when are set by law ( since state law sets the standards for purchases ) so if he legally abided by the law tompurchase the guns how are more laws the answer? If he wanted to kill a bunch of kids and knew that ahead of time unless you're also saying that we also have to include mind readers as part of the purchase process I dont see how setting up more laws would have doen anything but delay what was coming ...

Its obvious he planned on doing this - way before he brought the guns weeks ago

So 18 or 20 or hell 25 if he was going to go put a shoot a bunch of people he was gonna do it if not with a rifle then with a handgun or any other means he could make available

Its just a false dichotomy to somehow say more laws would have made a difference when no laws were broken in acquiring the guns in the first place

Hmm no

you don't have a constitutional right to drink which is why the law can limit who can or can't drink by age

You DO have a constitutional right to own a gun- or vote - or speak out against govt

You dont get to be limited on what you can vote for by age or what you can say ...at 18 versus 21

The law is that you are legally an adult at 18 ...the fact that you may be immature isn't the laws fault - thats people

Its stunning that dudes don't know the differences basis of Rights and why the constitution exists- which is to limit govt power and what it can't and SHOULD NOT do

Breh...the 2nd amendment is...an AMENDMENT to the Constitution. Jesus Christ. The right to bear arms was not granted by the original constitution. Laws can be made and changed to fit the needs of a time. You're talking about laws as if Moses descended from the mountain top to deliver them from God.

It's not a guarantee that someone who wants to kill people at 18 would follow-through at 21...due to both biology as well as socialization. I'm shocked I need to explain this to you.

The crazy thing about this "oh well he would've found another weapon" argument...if you don't think a 30 round mag makes a difference vs. a 12 round mag in terms of how efficiently you can dispense violence, I don't know what to tell you. You just sound uneducated on guns or disingenuous.

AR-15s let you engage more targets at a longer distance with more lethality. The entire approach the military has taken with these type of weapons is to have guns and ammunition that can allow a person to put an overwhelming, seemingly unrelenting amount of bullets at a target from a distance.

Look at the Vegas shooting. You're telling me dude would have killed 60 people with a pistol from his hotel room? Or are you saying he was going to go down there and start John Wicking it on the streets?

I can guarantee you that if everyone who had a mass shooting racking up 20+ kills needed to instead build a bomb, be a sword wielding ninja, or John Wick it, a lot of those people killed would still be here today. Not all, but many. If not most.

People are lazy and impulsive. You'll curb a lot of casual (and homicidal) interest in weapons by just putting red tape there. This isn't rocket science.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

How would gun control have stopped this kid ? Looks like the guns are legally owned

Seems to me the problem isn't gun control its people control....

Clearly the laws and policies for those with mental illness are the elephant in the room.that everyone wants to ignore and instead focus on their pet issue to advance it.

gun control is a series of steps - if you can't pass a vetted BG check, you shouldn't own a gun. how is it you have more red tape prohibiting renting a fukking car before 25, something we're licensed to drive 9 years prior, but you can buy an automatic assault rifle at 18? these are common sense controls. additionally, if we can charge $6/gallon for gas, an essential part of life, why not make ammo $6/bullet, gun use is a hobby, make people pay for the luxury of using their gun via ammo

 

[shonuff]

Breh...the 2nd amendment is...an AMENDMENT to the Constitution. Jesus Christ. The right to bear arms was not granted by the original constitution. Laws can be made and changed to fit the needs of a time. You're talking about laws as if Moses descended from the mountain top to deliver them from God.

It's not a guarantee that someone who wants to kill people at 18 would follow-through at 21...due to both biology as well as socialization. I'm shocked I need to explain this to you.

The crazy thing about this "oh well he would've found another weapon" argument...if you don't think a 30 round mag makes a difference vs. a 12 round mag in terms of how efficiently you can dispense violence, I don't know what to tell you. You just sound uneducated on guns or disingenuous.

AR-15s let you engage more targets at a longer distance with more lethality. The entire approach the military has taken with these type of weapons is to have guns and ammunition that can allow a person to put an overwhelming, seemingly unrelenting amount of bullets at a target from a distance.

Look at the Vegas shooting. You're telling me dude would have killed 60 people with a pistol from his hotel room? Or are you saying he was going to go down there and start John Wicking it on the streets?

I can guarantee you that if everyone who had a mass shooting racking up 20+ kills needed to instead build a bomb, be a sword wielding ninja, or John Wick it, a lot of those people killed would still be here today. Not all, but many. If not most.

People are lazy and impulsive. You'll curb a lot of casual (and homicidal) interest in weapons by just putting red tape there. This isn't rocket science.

Bruh are you serious ??? Becuase clearly you never paid attention in a history class

The " right to bear arms" wasnt granted in the original Consitution of the United states??? For you to say something like that just shows how much from a position of ignorance you really are talking ....

Noone in the military uses a semi automatic rifle ..


So it seems you are just as ignorant about guns as you are about the Constitution and why some.laws can limit what you can do and other ideas about what the law should do are in fact unlawful since they'd violate the Constitution ...

 

[the cac mamba]

Hmm no

you don't have a constitutional right to drink which is why the law can limit who can or can't drink by age

You DO have a constitutional right to own a gun- or vote - or speak out against govt

You dont get to be limited on what you can vote for by age or what you can say ...at 18 versus 21

The law is that you are legally an adult at 18 ...the fact that you may be immature isn't the laws fault - thats people

and where the fukk does it say the words 18 or 21 in the constitution?

your position is that 10 year olds can buy guns? no? congrats, you believe in infringing on constitutional rights

not to mention that the second amendment specifically says "WELL REGULATED"