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Go to Kinshasa which is literally a melting pot of all the country's region that's how they co exist. The people from the East (Kivus) are even more nationalist because they are bearing the brunt and often victims of this violence and always insist in not balkanizing. You have people from different parts of the country who co exist with each other. I do not know much of CIV's ehtnic problems DRC is not CIV, Kenya, South Sudan or Nigeria when it comes to ethnic/tribal coexistence or lack thereof. Congolese have been living with each other in harmony since independence (apart for Moise Tshombe's attempt to break away Katanga and this again was influenced by Western powers.

You act as if not knowing the population of one's country due to lack of census or infrastructure is a Congolese problem. No African country except maybe for South Africa and the northern Arab African country do not know their population size. I lived and worked in Nigeria for 2 years. Nigeria is Africa's largest economy does not necessarily know what its population is. Official numbers say 180 million people and some think is over 200 million. Not knowing population size due to lack of infrastructure or census is NOT a Congolese problem but an infrastructure problem and essentially a Sub-Saharan African problem especially if it is a large country.

Again, the solution to being occupied is not to break away countries by ethnic groups or tribes when the country has no ethnic/tribal problems (Congo has a lot of problems but tribalism is not one of them). It surely does not make sense. Frank Diongo is a strong leader right now and has been in prison for 1 year.

I never mentioned that America cared about the Congolese. There are no permanent friends but only permanent interests in geopolitics. We all know that and the Congolese are starting to understand that again I was there two weeks ago, you see a maturation of people politically.

Congo is huge and has a low population density so we should divide it? It does not make sense. You act as if populations are stagnant. It is estimated that the population is 80 million (even after losing 5-8 million in the two wars from 1997-2003) and projected to be 100 million by 2030. Congolese women have a top 5 fertility rate in the world and the second highest in Africa after Niger. Populations are not stagnant especially in the African context (the fastest growing population in the world). To justify breaking up a country TODAY because of low population density TODAY without taking into consideration of demographic trends and its impact in the FUTURE is not a a good argument.

The solution for Congo and I know it sounds cliche is to take matters into their own hands and that comes with political maturity. Kinshasa does not need to be controlled by the army I think you meant some eastern cities in the country.
Tshombe wasn't the only secessionist, there was Lumumba and many others.
The west was more concerned with fighting against the secessionists not the other way round. Divide and conquer relies on these mixed up weak states.
And my country and some others have conducted census and know the size of their population. Its not just SA and Arab countries. Those North African counties have a bigger problem due to illegal immigration and what have you.
 

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Does DRC currently have a federal system? And how’s the other Congo doing

It has provinces with governors in each province and a parliamentary system with deputies from each region represented at the parliament level. The other Congo is a small (6 million people) oil rich but poor country with a president who has been in power for 32 years.
 

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It has provinces with governors in each province and a parliamentary system with deputies from each region represented at the parliament level. The other Congo is a small (6 million people) oil rich but poor country with a president who has been in power for 32 years.
is the other Congo stable? and would the Congos ever unite?
 

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is the other Congo stable? and would the Congos ever unite?

There is no uniting although Lingala is also spoken in Congo-Brazzaville and the two capitals are a 30 minute boat ride away. There is no intention and never has been intention to unite and the relationship is not a conflicting relationship . They see each other as two different people and both sides from my understanding likes it that way. The other Congo is MORE stable than DRC but that's not saying much there are pockets of rebellions and people trying to attain power via the gun but overall it is more stable than DRC and it's also a significantly smaller country landmass and population wise.
 
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South Africa’s brand new president vows to confiscate land from white farmers
Simon Black

http://www.businessinsider.com/sout...wants-to-confiscate-white-farmers-land-2018-2

February 21, 2018

If you’ve been following much international news, you’ve probably heard that, after literally years of scandal, abuse, and incompetence, South Africa’s president Jacob Zuma was finally forced to resign last week.

This is a big deal for South Africa.

The country has been suffering for nearly a decade under Zuma’s corruption.

And people are certainly hoping that the new President, Cyril Ramaphosa, will represent a positive, new chapter for South Africa.


Yesterday Ramaphosa addressed the nation’s parliament in Cape Town and made clear that his priority is to heal the divisions and injustice of the past, going all the way back to the original European colonists in the 1600s taking land from the indigenous tribes.

Ramaphosa called this “original sin”, and stated that he wants to see “the return of the land to the people from whom it was taken… to heal the divisions of the past.”

How does he plan on doing that?

Confiscation. Specifically– confiscation without compensation.

“The expropriation of land without compensation is envisaged as one of the measures that we will use to accelerate redistribution of land to black South Africans.

Ramaphosa minced no words: he’s talking about taking land from white farmers and giving it to black South Africans.

Astonishingly, he followed up that statement by saying, “We will handle it in a way that is not going to damage our economy. . .”

Wow, what a relief. For a minute it sounded like South Africa wants to do what Zimbabwe did several years ago.

Oh wait a minute.

That’s exactly what Zimbabwe did.

Seeking to correct similar colonial and Apartheid-era injustices in his country, Zimbabwe’s president Robert Mugabe initiated a land redistribution program in 1999-2000.

Thousands of white-owned farms were confiscated by the government, and the farmers were forced out.

Bear in mind that Zimbabwe used to be known as the breadbasket of southern Africa. Zimbabwe’s world-class farmers were major food exporters to the rest of the region.

But within a few years of Mugabe’s land distribution, food production plummeted.

Without its professional, experienced farmers, the nation went from being an agricultural export powerhouse to having to rely on handouts from the United Nations’ World Food Programme.

Hyperinflation and a multi-decade depression followed.

If there’s an economic model in the world that you DON’T want to follow, it’s Zimbabwe.

And you’d think that the politicians in neighboring South Africa would know that.

They had a front-row seat to the effects of Mugabe’s land redistribution, not to mention they had to absorb millions of starving Zimbabwean refugees who came across their borders.

Yet this is precisely the policy that they want to adopt.

However you might feel about social justice, it seems pretty clear that copying Zimbabwe is a pretty stupid idea… and will only end up hurting the people they claim to be helping.

Yet the president claims that they want to initiate a land redistribution program that won’t impact the economy or South Africa’s food security.

Yeah sure. And I want to be the starting quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys next season.

But sadly you won’t see Simon Black throwing any touchdown passes anytime soon.

That’s because we have to live in a world with certain realities and limitations.

One of those realities is that land distribution, even if you believe the intentions to be noble, never works.

And of course, the most important reality is that anyone who willfully chooses to copy Zimbabwe’s economic model deserves to suffer the consequences of their stupidity.
 

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So basically, whites in Zimbabwe and South Africa have a monopoly on expert farming? Has anyone tried to... say.... teach Africans how to farm ....expertly? Stealing back stolen lands you don't know how to till nor cultivate is a good idea.... how? :francis:
 

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Okay time for something to improve the mood here.


Listen carefully to what the people in the clip say, most Africans do not want to go to Europe they are doing quite fine at home. You've got Congolese, guinue Bissauans and Gambians working in Senegal in the video.

lol the coli thinks people leave their countries just because
 

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Okay time for something to improve the mood here.


Listen carefully to what the people in the clip say, most Africans do not want to go to Europe they are doing quite fine at home. You've got Congolese, guinue Bissauans and Gambians working in Senegal in the video.


Just saw this. Senegal is so nice. Good weather, good beaches it can definitely be a hub. Few corruption problems, although a predominantly Muslim country, it is very secular. The founder of Wari is probably wealthy as hell. That's one of the most popular money transfer services in the region. Just built a nice airport too.
 

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Go to Kinshasa which is literally a melting pot of all the country's region that's how they co exist. The people from the East (Kivus) are even more nationalist because they are bearing the brunt and often victims of this violence and always insist in not balkanizing. You have people from different parts of the country who co exist with each other. I do not know much of CIV's ehtnic problems DRC is not CIV, Kenya, South Sudan or Nigeria when it comes to ethnic/tribal coexistence or lack thereof. Congolese have been living with each other in harmony since independence (apart for Moise Tshombe's attempt to break away Katanga and this again was influenced by Western powers.

You act as if not knowing the population of one's country due to lack of census or infrastructure is a Congolese problem. No African country except maybe for South Africa and the northern Arab African country do not know their population size. I lived and worked in Nigeria for 2 years. Nigeria is Africa's largest economy does not necessarily know what its population is. Official numbers say 180 million people and some think is over 200 million. Not knowing population size due to lack of infrastructure or census is NOT a Congolese problem but an infrastructure problem and essentially a Sub-Saharan African problem especially if it is a large country.

Again, the solution to being occupied is not to break away countries by ethnic groups or tribes when the country has no ethnic/tribal problems (Congo has a lot of problems but tribalism is not one of them). It surely does not make sense. Frank Diongo is a strong leader right now and has been in prison for 1 year.

I never mentioned that America cared about the Congolese. There are no permanent friends but only permanent interests in geopolitics. We all know that and the Congolese are starting to understand that again I was there two weeks ago, you see a maturation of people politically.

Congo is huge and has a low population density so we should divide it? It does not make sense. You act as if populations are stagnant. It is estimated that the population is 80 million (even after losing 5-8 million in the two wars from 1997-2003) and projected to be 100 million by 2030. Congolese women have a top 5 fertility rate in the world and the second highest in Africa after Niger. Populations are not stagnant especially in the African context (the fastest growing population in the world). To justify breaking up a country TODAY because of low population density TODAY without taking into consideration of demographic trends and its impact in the FUTURE is not a a good argument.

The solution for Congo and I know it sounds cliche is to take matters into their own hands and that comes with political maturity. Kinshasa does not need to be controlled by the army I think you meant some eastern cities in the country.

When I talked about population density and ethnic tensions I was referring to the country as a whole. Taking Kin as an example is not really a good thing because it's a city. Just like in Brussels you'll have Wallon and Flams living together just fine, but you have cultural problems when it comes to the whole country and regions. My concern is, with the growing population you mentioned, you'll start having ethnic clashes at region scale (kind of what you have in CIV or Nigeria, both having higher population density). That's why I was thinking: divide it before you have these problems (I always keep in mind that most African nations are artificial creations made by Europeans and Congo is one of them).

My point about Congo's census : sure other African countries have census issues but not at the same scale. RDC last census was made in1984 (correct me if I'm wrong) and even then it was stopped in the middle of the process (hard to access the countryside, they just multiplied their numbers by 2...). My friend working in Kin told me they have actually no idea how many people live in Congo. It seems to be a big issue to me when you want to organize your country.

I see your point in general, I just feel you're kinda too idealistic when it comes to Congo, especially when you talk about the past and its "harmony". Or I'm just too pessimistic...
 

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I have not been here for a while. I have been back to my country of my origin for some time, and due family stuff.

Here is what going on in my country.

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Sudan has released more than 80 political activists and students, who were imprisoned in the wake of deadly protests last month against rising bread prices and the government's economic policies.

The move was ordered on Sunday by President Omar al-Bashir, his aide said.

"We will continue to eradicate the reasons behind the protests and arrests," Abdulrahman al-Sadiq said on Sunday night.

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Deadly protests grip Sudan over rising bread prices
Among those released were several high-ranking members of the National Umma Party - one of the most prominent opposition parties in Sudan - including the movement's vice president and secretary-general.

Amal Habani, a women's rights defender, was also freed.

The development comes several days after the American embassy in the Sudanese capital, Khartoum, said it was "deeply concerned" by the arrest campaign against "hundreds of political leaders, activists and ordinary citizens, many of whom are being held in inhumane and degrading conditions, and without access to lawyers or family".

The embassies of the European Union also called on the Sudanese government to free the detainees last month.

The country witnessed widespread demonstrations, called "bread protests", at the start of 2018, when the government decided to cut subsidies and stop importing wheat from overseas.

The opposition had said more than 300 people were arrested in the wave of protests. Several people participating in the rallies were killed when the government responded with force.

Anger over the rising price of bread in Sudan

More than 80 activists and students, imprisoned last month during protests against rising food prices, released.


The decision was part of a raft of austerity measures passed by the Sudanese government within the country's 2018 budget, which seeks to address the spiralling inflation rate.

The government's austerity policies have sparked sporadic protests in recent years.

According to rights group Amnesty International, some 185 people were killed in 2013 during demonstrations against a rise in fuel prices.

When the protests erupted, the country's finance minister said black-market manipulation is the reason behind the recent spike, but analysts blame the government's policies.


Sudan releases activists arrested over 'bread protests'
 
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Just saw this. Senegal is so nice. Good weather, good beaches it can definitely be a hub. Few corruption problems, although a predominantly Muslim country, it is very secular. The founder of Wari is probably wealthy as hell. That's one of the most popular money transfer services in the region. Just built a nice airport too.
i def want to go to Senegal one day
 
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