Tariq gone too far?

[Roger king]

Tariq is a xenophobic huckster and a fraudster, he is a charlatan.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

I was actually thinking of doing a thread on that idea earlier....cause why? At what point in American history did racial identity become about a certain % genetic test? It's always been a social construct, not a genetic construct. If one person is genetically 59% African with light skin and grows up in a white context, and someone else is 41% African descent with darker skin and grows up in a black context, do we consider the first one black and the second not due to their 23 and me? If we made it genetic, what would the actual dividing line be, and why?

Remember, these are famous Black Americans we learn about in Black history, who absolutely were considered Black during their lifetimes:

Charles Drew (first Black man with PhD in medicine, helped invent blood banks, was never accepted into AMA due to his race)

Mordecai Johnson (famous Black preacher, first Black president of Howard, both parents were slaves)

Walter White (famous Black Civil Rights activist, president of NAACP from 1929-1955, both of his parents were considered Black and he grew up Black)

Fred Gregory (first Black Deputy Administrator and Acting Administrator of NASA. Dad was the first Black president of the DC Public Library board and mom was Charles Drew's sister)

John Hope (famous Black Civil Rights activist, first Black president of both Morehouse and Atlanta University)

Frederika Fredi Washington (famous actress/singer of the Harlem Renaissance, always identified as Black and played Black roles, helped found the Negro Actors Guild and worked with the NAACP and as an anti-lynching activist)

I'm pretty sure all of them had less than 20% Black ancestry, and none of them look nearly as Black as Kamala does, yet socially they were considered Black their entire lives and always presented as Black. Just like Kamala did. So what would 23-and-Me "settle" about them or her?



Hell, even compare the founder of #ADOS (who is shytting on Kamala's blackness right now) with Kamala. If both of them went to your college, do you think the first would be considered Black and the second one not? If Yvette is 60% Black and 35% White, while Kamala is 35% Black and 15% White, would that "settle" anything?

you still dont seem to understand the concept of ethnicity and lineage

 

[Professor Emeritus]

you still dont seem to understand the concept of ethnicity and lineage

WTF are you referring to? When have I ever failed to understand the concept of ethicity and lineage?

Are you going to claim that 23-and-Me is how you would determine ADOS lineage?

 

[Insensitive]

I'm going to piss on Tariq Nasheeds grave when he kicks the bucket.

I have legit hate for every single one of you who kept posting this clown and his bullshyt.

 

[Fani Willis fan]

I'm going to piss on Tariq Nasheeds grave when he kicks the bucket.

I have legit hate for every single one of you who kept posting this clown and his bullshyt.

 

[Wiseborn]

Bro im from New york city. Do you know how many groups can claim they were "raised black(whatever that means in absence of actual fba parents)" simply from growing up in the same neighborhoods as us. YOU are only raised black when you are raised by an FBA family within a FBA household. And yes black in the kamala instance is directly linked to fba culture specifically. All that hotsauce,a tribe calld quest, collard greens in tubs is pandering to gullible dodo bird negros. Nothing less nothing more

lol at an indian matriarchal household raising someone "black"

i get it for you and many "blackness"(read-fba culture) is simply looked at as a way of life, and not attached to a tangible living embodiment of people and corresponding culture

We established what makes someone FBA is there something that can make you not FBA?

Is Mark Robinson FBA in good standing?

What about Clarence Thomas?

 

[Wiseborn]

Lmao I love this post. Just...chefs kiss yall.

@NYC Rebel all up in a thread about Tariq Nasheed stereotyping and dehumanizing Africans to adamantly defend his shyt as a child of West African immigrants himself who "aGreEs! I sEenT iT!"

Then someone on the same bigotrd "Africans hating on AAs" came in to insult and attack him directly.

@NYC Rebel please....stop....just stop. Its embarrasing. You're using your identity as a child of African immigranrs to defend and speak for a bunch of deranged bigots that simply don't want you or any of you here. Full stop. You're not getting browny points in this diaspora war shyt or the psychos who push this shyt by positioning yourself as some objective ally "calling out" your own people.

You and other West Africans living in America are still nothing but no-good tethers who fled your sorry bealeagured homes, are intellectually-politically weak, eat wild animals, take advantage of their country, keep jobs from AAs, and a bunch of savage freeloaders disrespecting them with even your presence in the "cOuNtRy wE bUiLt." You're not doing by anything by helping advance these talking points other than the further dehumanizing of yourself and your community. Stop defending these bigots and their agendas.

Like the breh @Professor Emeritus said, there are a million "FBA" "ADOS" "NCAABC3" "pro-black American" passively pro-Trump morons being constantly exalted by thecoli only for disparaging black immigrants between whatever gobbledeegook they string together about reparations. But when challenged to show us these Caribbean and Nigerian content creators who are all about celebrating the diaspora, talking down about black Americans, and are being propped up by Caribbeans and Africans as leaders...crickets. But let's all trust people like you leanding your voice to this bigotry swearing "I seent it!!"

Black people have fought for freedom and liberation everywhere they were oppressed. Its not a phenomena of any particular group or.particular country. Black people who talk down about other black people because "dEy dOnt lIke uS" are c00ns looking for excuses to be c00ns. That's it. Tired of you fools.

word don't do what FBA's have done and champion people who hate you.

You're the OPPS to them and they're the OPPS to you.

Give the same energy that you receive.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

No im saying shes cosplaying as black using fba cultural references that she never belonged to

To what extent in your right mind do you think surrogates raised her into actual real concrete fbaness. That somehow overshadowed what she was learning in her indian based and reared home.

Not sure why you say "overshadowed" as if they were fighting or something. Her mom was literally a figure in the Black radical movement and is attributed in a major Black radical work. You're talking like her mom raised her to be Indian and her surrogate family raised her Black and they were in conflict or something, which just isn't true.

How Kamala Harris’s Immigrant Parents Found a Home, and Each Other, in a Black Study Group (Published 2020)

Donald Harris and Shyamala Gopalan grew up under British colonial rule on different sides of the planet. They were each drawn to Berkeley, and became part of an intellectual circle that shaped the rest of their lives.

www.nytimes.com

It brought a wave of Black undergraduates, many the descendants of sharecroppers or enslaved people who had migrated from Texas and Louisiana, into conversation with students from countries that had fought off colonial powers.

Members of the study group that drew them together in 1962, known as the Afro American Association, would help build the discipline of Black studies, introduce the holiday of Kwanzaa and establish the Black Panther Party.

Long after the particular intensity of the early ’60s passed, the community it created endured.

Mr. Robinson, whose grandfather had fled Alabama in the 1920s to escape a lynching, was the first in his family to enroll in college. “As a Black kid from Oakland, he didn’t even know what one did to get into the university,” recalled his widow, Elizabeth.

The woman in front of him made an impression. Ms. Gopalan, his elder by two years, often wore a sari in those days, and acquaintances said they thought she came from royalty; that’s how she carried herself. When Mr. Robinson stepped up to the desk, the registrar assumed he was a graduate student from Africa, and asked, politely, if his country was also paying his tuition.


Mr. Robinson, who died in 2016, thought that was hilarious, said the historian Robin D.G. Kelley. He would tell that story over the years, as he went on to earn a master’s and a Ph.D., then tenure at the University of California at Santa Barbara, writing five books along the way. He and Ms. Gopalan would form a lifelong friendship.

When he wrote his best-known book, “Black Marxism: The Making of the Black Radical Tradition,” in 1983, he listed the old friends who had helped him formulate his ideas. They were all Black, except for Ms. Gopalan.

The group would later limit its membership to people of African descent, refusing admission to the white partner of a Black member, Ms. Murch writes.

But as a former colonial subject, and a person of color, there was no question that Shyamala Gopalan belonged, other members said in interviews.

“She was part of the real brotherhood and sisterhood. There was never an issue,” said Aubrey LaBrie, who went on to teach courses on Black nationalism at San Francisco State University. “She was just accepted as part of the group.”

“You could tell she was ‘for the people,’ quote unquote, even though she had an aura of royalty about her,” she said. “Here was a woman, deeply brown, and yet she could have flowed from one set to another in terms of race.”

Into the vacuum stepped Ms. Gopalan Harris’s old friends, connections from the Berkeley study group.

She was a single, working mother of two, far from her family. Not until her oldest daughter was in high school could she afford a down payment on her own home, something she desperately wanted, Senator Harris wrote in her memoir.

A web of support — from day care, to church, to godparents and piano lessons — radiated out from the Afro American Association.

“Those ties became the village that supported her in rearing the children,” said Ms. Dashiell, the sociology professor who was a member of the discussion group. “I don’t mean financially. They surrounded those children.”

Mr. LaBrie introduced Ms. Gopalan Harris to his aunt, Regina Shelton, who ran a day care center in West Berkeley. Mrs. Shelton, who had been born in Louisiana, became a pillar of the young family’s life, eventually renting them an apartment upstairs from the day care center.

Ms. Gopalan Harris often worked late, recalled Carole Porter, 56, a childhood friend of Senator Harris, and had high expectations for her daughters.

“Shyamala didn’t play,” she said. “Being an immigrant, five feet tall, and having an accent — when things like that happen to you, and you face stuff, that toughens you up.”

But there was always a snack and a hug at Mrs. Shelton’s. If it got too late, the sleepy children would go to bed at her house, or Mrs. Shelton would send her daughters to tuck them in at home. One of Senator Harris’s favorite stories from childhood is of preparing a batch of lemon squares with salt instead of sugar; Mrs. Shelton, her face puckered, said they were delicious.

On Sunday mornings, Mrs. Shelton would take the girls to the 23rd Avenue Church of God, a Black Baptist church. This, Ms. Porter said, was what Shyamala wanted for them.
“She raised them to be Black women,” Ms. Porter said. “Shyamala really wanted them to have both.”

Ms. Dashiell said she was certain that some influence of the study group survived in the Harris children.

“The thinking within the association was deep,” she said. “You would look at, what are the underlying causes of the problems that we find ourselves in as Black people? And that is something that would have translated, through these families, to Kamala.”

In the years since, Senator Harris has often reflected that her immigrant mother’s chosen family — Black families one generation removed from the segregated South — powerfully shaped her as a politician. When she took the oath of office to become California’s attorney general, and then a U.S. Senator, she asked to lay her hand on Mrs. Shelton’s Bible.

“In office and into the fight,” she wrote in an essay last year, “I carry Mrs. Shelton with me always.”

The idea that her upbringing was alien to the Black American experience was just nonsense. That was her tribe growing up, at every stage of life. In all the stories of Kamala's upbringing from birth through college, I have NEVER seen mention of another Indian child or family in her life. Not one Indian friend, not one Indian relative nearby, no mention of Indian culture being a factor other than rare visits to her family there. Her entire social sphere was Black, and that wasn't just her choice it was the explicit choice of her mother too who had found a home in Black spaces.

You would have no problem with her using Indian cultural references even though she never lived in India, only has one Indian parent, is not a Hindu, and appears to have had relatively little connection to the Indian experience. But you're upset at her using Black American cultural references even though she grew up in Black American culture from cradle to college. Make it make sense without your hatred of Democrats coming into play.

one of our big formative sagas into culture is highschool. And apparently, she spent that in canada with black canadians. What does any of that have to do with my culture and upbringing as a fba/ados.....who again, she panders too culturally

There were plenty of Black Americans at her school in Canada too, both recent immigrants from America (like Kamala) as well as ADOS who fled slavery and/or Jim Crow earlier. And there are plenty of ties between Black American culture and Black Canadian culture. Yes there are differences too, but do you seriously think the differences between, say, Montreal and New York are bigger than the differences between rural Mississippi and Oakland?

It's odd that you think her high school years in a 40% Black school in Montreal are a "big formative saga" that makes her alien to you, but her college years at Howard in DC which immediately followed that were somehow irrelvant to her self-identity.

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Not sure why you say "overshadowed" as if they were fighting or something. Her mom was literally a figure in the Black radical movement and is attributed in a major Black radical work. You're talking like her mom raised her to be Indian and her surrogate family raised her Black and they were in conflict or something, which just isn't true.

How Kamala Harris’s Immigrant Parents Found a Home, and Each Other, in a Black Study Group (Published 2020)

Donald Harris and Shyamala Gopalan grew up under British colonial rule on different sides of the planet. They were each drawn to Berkeley, and became part of an intellectual circle that shaped the rest of their lives.

www.nytimes.com

The idea that her upbringing was alien to the Black American experience was just nonsense. That was her tribe growing up, at every stage of life. In all the stories of Kamala's upbringing from birth through college, I have NEVER seen mention of another Indian child or family in her life. Not one Indian friend, not one Indian relative nearby, no mention of Indian culture being a factor other than rare visits to her family there. Her entire social sphere was Black, and that wasn't just her choice it was the explicit choice of her mother too who had found a home in Black spaces.

You would have no problem with her using Indian cultural references even though she never lived in India, only has one Indian parent, is not a Hindu, and appears to have had relatively little connection to the Indian experience. But you're upset at her using Black American cultural references even though she grew up in Black American culture from cradle to college. Make it make sense without your hatred of Democrats coming into play.







There were plenty of Black Americans at her school in Canada too, both recent immigrants from America (like Kamala) as well as ADOS who fled slavery and/or Jim Crow earlier. And there are plenty of ties between Black American culture and Black Canadian culture. Yes there are differences too, but do you seriously think the differences between, say, Montreal and New York are bigger than the differences between rural Mississippi and Oakland?

It's odd that you think her high school years in a 40% Black school in Montreal are a "big formative saga" that makes her alien to you, but her college years at Howard in DC which immediately followed that were somehow irrelvant to her self-identity.

You're talking like her mom raised her to be Indian and her surrogate family raised her Black and they were in conflict or something, which just isn't true.

Her mom could only raise her to be indian "within her household" So she just replaces the cultural sanctity that an actual fba/black mom could only bring? Hilarious. Apparently black upbringings are easily duplicated by someone outside the culture who participates,however minimal, in black civil rights. Like that couldnt apply to whites and others as well. They raised their children "black" without actually being black. None of the cultural nuances that stem from an actual fba family matters i guess

That was her tribe growing up, at every stage of life
No it wasnt she has claimed to be indian with zero pushback. Shes not of our "tribe" her contrived and fumbled attempts at being of afram culture shows that. She speaks nothing of the actual cultures she really comes from. Nothing Jamaican or indian because i guess thats not politically progressive enough to get votes. It doesnt matter what neighborhood you grew up in, as i already pointed out. Its about whats going on in the household.

Not one Indian friend, not one Indian relative nearby, no mention of Indian culture being a factor other than rare visits to her family there.

Stupid point. She was predominately raised by her mom. She doesnt have to explicitly state the fact that she was surrounded by her moms friends and family. Are we to think her mom isolated her children from them and only kept them around afram "surrogates". There are pictures of her being around her family. The family she was the closet too at that. Hilarious

the differences between, say, Montreal and New York are bigger than the differences between rural Mississippi and Oakland?

Im not sure what your getting at. FBAs from oakland and missippi share a common ethnic culture. Im from new york i have nothing in common ethnic wise to a person in montreal. And the idea that there was many black americans in her high school is a flat out lie.

Cut the bullshyt. Black american identity is shaped from a political position for you. Thats as good as it gets for you. Nothing speaking to a historical-lineage perspective. Anybody can be us insofar as they "raise" you black

you replaced the importance of black mothers, an indian could do the job just as good

 

[MoveForward]

Africans and “West Indians” have said much worse but this is corny because it’s not even funny or catchy.

 

[Premeditated]

Lmao I love this post. Just...chefs kiss yall.

@NYC Rebel all up in a thread about Tariq Nasheed stereotyping and dehumanizing Africans to adamantly defend his shyt as a child of West African immigrants himself who "aGreEs! I sEenT iT!"

Then someone on the same bigotrd "Africans hating on AAs" came in to insult and attack him directly.

@NYC Rebel please....stop....just stop. Its embarrasing. You're using your identity as a child of African immigranrs to defend and speak for a bunch of deranged bigots that simply don't want you or any of you here. Full stop. You're not getting browny points in this diaspora war shyt or the psychos who push this shyt by positioning yourself as some objective ally "calling out" your own people.

You and other West Africans living in America are still nothing but no-good tethers who fled your sorry bealeagured homes, are intellectually-politically weak, eat wild animals, take advantage of their country, keep jobs from AAs, and a bunch of savage freeloaders disrespecting them with even your presence in the "cOuNtRy wE bUiLt." You're not doing by anything by helping advance these talking points other than the further dehumanizing of yourself and your community. Stop defending these bigots and their agendas.

Like the breh @Professor Emeritus said, there are a million "FBA" "ADOS" "NCAABC3" "pro-black American" passively pro-Trump morons being constantly exalted by thecoli only for disparaging black immigrants between whatever gobbledeegook they string together about reparations. But when challenged to show us these Caribbean and Nigerian content creators who are all about celebrating the diaspora, talking down about black Americans, and are being propped up by Caribbeans and Africans as leaders...crickets. But let's all trust people like you leanding your voice to this bigotry swearing "I seent it!!"

Black people have fought for freedom and liberation everywhere they were oppressed. Its not a phenomena of any particular group or.particular country. Black people who talk down about other black people because "dEy dOnt lIke uS" are c00ns looking for excuses to be c00ns. That's it. Tired of you fools.

beautifully crafted

i 've been getting sick of @NYC Rebel lack of tack in these threads.

you explained in perfectly. i just be shaking my head watching him bootlick and do these Tariq stans jobs for them.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Breh so insecure in his arguments, he made them damn near illegible.

You're talking like her mom raised her to be Indian and her surrogate family raised her Black and they were in conflict or something, which just isn't true.

Her mom could only raise her to be indian "within her household" So she just replaces the cultural sanctity that an actual fba/black mom could only bring? Hilarious.

No one said that her mom "replaced" anything. But you claimed that Kamala was "faking" having been raised in an AfAm context. Even if being raised in a Black neighborhood, under a Black support structure, and with a pro-Black mother who was explicitly trying to raise her with AfAm experience is only a weak, partial exposure to the Black American experience.....why can't you admit that Kamala was legitimately raised with that exposure and doesn't have to fake that that's how she was brought up?

she has claimed to be indian with zero pushback.

She has always claimed Black, or both Black and Indian. She has never claimed solely Indian. When she ran for AG, there were stories out about how the Indian residents of San Francisco were learning about her Indian heritage for the first time, cause they'd always assumed she was just Black.

She speaks nothing of the actual cultures she really comes from. Nothing Jamaican or indian because i guess thats not politically progressive enough to get votes. It doesnt matter what neighborhood you grew up in, as i already pointed out. Its about whats going on in the household.

The "actual" culture she participated in from birth through college was North American black culture. Claiming "it doesn't matter what neighborhood you grew up in" is nonsense. She was raised by a single mother who worked long days, she probably saw her mother 3-4 hours/day tops on weekdays. The rest of the time was spent with her Black classmates, in her Black neighborhood, at her Black community center, in her Black day care, with her Black friends, even sleeping overnight at the homes of her mother's Black friends. How would a single mother working a high-intensity professional job somehow outweigh her entire daily experience?

Go find some son of a Japanese immigrant single mother who was born in America, lives in a White neighborhood, has all White friends, and went to a PWI college where he hangs out exclusively with white kids. Tell me if at 25 he's going to be "culturally Japanese" or completely white-washed.

Not one Indian friend, not one Indian relative nearby, no mention of Indian culture being a factor other than rare visits to her family there.

Stupid point. She was predominately raised by her mom. She doesnt have to explicitly state the fact that she was surrounded by her moms friends and family. Are we to think her mom isolated her children from them and only kept them around afram "surrogates". There are pictures of her being around her family. The family she was the closet too at that. Hilarious

All the articles show that her mom's social group was Black though, so WTF are you talking about?

Who was her "mom's family" that was raising Kamala? All of the bios explicitly point out that her mom's family was NOT around. Those pictures of her family are from her rare trips to visit India (just like the pictures of Kamala with her Jamican family), they were NOT from anyone living with her lol. You just straight made up an entire narrative in your head.

the differences between, say, Montreal and New York are bigger than the differences between rural Mississippi and Oakland?

Im not sure what your getting at. FBAs from oakland and missippi share a common ethnic culture. Im from new york i have nothing in common ethnic wise to a person in montreal.

Do you not know that the Underground Railroad ended in Canada and the Great Migration included immigrants to Canada as well?

Eastern Canadian cities had a melting pot Black culture of new Black folk from the Caribbean and older Black folk from the mainland, just like New York has.

And the idea that there was many black americans in her high school is a flat out lie.

Based on what? Stories from people who actually go there have stated that there were plenty of Americans at the school and that Kamala identified with the black ones.

From Kamala's best friend, who lived with her in her own bedroom for a year:

Wanda Kagan, whom Ms. Harris has described as her closest friend at Westmount, said the vice president and the other American students at the school maintained their bonds to the United States.

“They were American and they kept their American identity,” said Ms. Kagan, who lives in Montreal and works in health care. “It’s not like you come here and then you become French Canadian or Canadian.’’

Like Ms. Harris, whose father is Black and from Jamaica and whose mother is South Asian, Ms. Kagan is biracial, with a white mother and a Black father.

The pair found themselves in a high school that was about 60 percent white and 40 percent Black and drew from a variety of neighborhoods that cut across economic lines.

From an author who attended the same high school several years before Kamala:

When I went there it was highly divided, with wealthy kids from the mansions of upper Westmount rubbing shoulders with kids from very poor areas just down the hill — such as Little Burgundy and St. Henri.

Most of those poor kids were Black. This was long before anti-racism and DEI initiatives. Racism was pretty overt and groups at Westmount High didn’t mix much. There were the rich kids who went home to luxurious houses and summered in the Eastern Townships, there were more middle-class white kids (including me), and then there were the Black kids who made up perhaps a quarter of the student body.

As the years went by, it got worse. A lot of anglos fled Montreal after the election of the Parti Québécois in 1976 and many of the richer families who stayed sent their kids to Westmount’s fancy private schools. Westmount High started accepting students from a wider catchment area, including more of those poor neighbourhoods down the hill.

By the time Kamala Harris arrived in the late ’70s there were fewer students from comfortable backgrounds and many more from places like Little Burgundy and Verdun. Those areas hadn’t yet been gentrified; there was a lot of slum housing and the poverty was acute.

A person who attended Westmount High at the same time as Harris wrote a blog post about this in 2020 when she became VP and had this to say: “There was de facto segregation between the Black and white student body. Two universes that existed independently of one another, never interacting.” The segregation, the former student went on, was most noticeable after March break, when the kids from upper Westmount came back from ski holidays while the kids from below the hill “did not even own a pair of winter boots.”

This is the environment that teenage Kamala Harris had to navigate. She was a mixed-race kid who lived in Westmount with her mother, but not in one of those mansions. They rented part of a house in lower Westmount, which is perfectly nice but not especially luxurious. More to the point, she clearly identified with the Black students.

 

[NYC Rebel]

beautifully crafted

i 've been getting sick of @NYC Rebel lack of tack in these threads.

you explained in perfectly. i just be shaking my head watching him bootlick and do these Tariq stans jobs for them.

You’re upset because I point out that Africans generally are the least pan Africanist people in the black diaspora. Who the fukk is advocating for a low educated buffoon like Tariq?

 

[NYC Rebel]

double

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

this is a blatant lie

Oh, you can read my posts today? What tangibles are you getting from your Trump support?

Trump 2024