Tariq “elite” Nasheed is back at it again... **TELLING PEOPLE TO SIT OUT THE 2020 ELECTION**

[MeachTheMonster]

Wtf are you talking about ? My dude America needs to reimburse black slaves descendants in america. What does Puerto Rico or Jamaican slavery have to-do with American slaves and the reparations? You can't come here 20 years ago and talk about "me too"

I’m not talking about Puerto Rico or Jamaica.

There’s plenty of “Latino” people in America who could trace their African ancestry to slavery in North America.

But that’s beside the point.

If we are restricting this only to direct descendents of slaves in the USA, then how the hell do we figure out who’s eligible? Everyone won’t be able to trace their ancestry. What about mixed people? Do they only get a 43% check? What about “black” people who might be mixed with some other African ancestry? How much should they get? What about African families that migrated after slavery but still have been negatively effected by a racist government?

This is why I said that argument doesn’t make sense to me. It’s a needless complication that would leave lots of deserving people out. It would truly be impossible to determine who should or shouldn’t be eligible.

And if the government does decide to give out cash for its past transgressions, why would you want to limit it to certain people? Seems like a “cut off your nose to spite your face” situation.

Reparations will never be “come get checks black people”(hell we can’t even agree on who’s “black” or not) IF repartitions ever become a thing it will be similar to how AOC described it cause that’s what makes sense and will be the most helpful to black people.

 

[Perfectson]

I’m not talking about Puerto Rico or Jamaica.

There’s plenty of “Latino” people in America who could trace their African ancestry to slavery in North America.

But that’s beside the point.

If we are restricting this only to direct descendents of slaves in the USA, then how the hell do we figure out who’s eligible? Everyone won’t be able to trace their ancestry. What about mixed people? Do they only get a 43% check? What about “black” people who might be mixed with some other African ancestry? How much should they get? What about African families that migrated after slavery but still have been negatively effected by a racist government?

This is why I said that argument doesn’t make sense to me. It’s a needless complication that would leave lots of deserving people out. It would truly be impossible to determine who should or shouldn’t be eligible.

And if the government does decide to give out cash for its past transgressions, why would you want to limit it to certain people? Seems like a “cut off your nose to spite your face” situation.

Reparations will never be “come get checks black people”(hell we can’t even agree on who’s “black” or not) IF repartitions ever become a thing it will be similar to how AOC described it cause that’s what makes sense and will be the most helpful to black people.

You keep saying north America, which includes the Caribbean. So I'm specific that if you came from the Caribbean to America on your own free wjll then you get Nada imo.

It worked fine for native American and jews, I would be more inclusive than exclusive and I would start with the last census , if you select Latino or "me not black papi" you are automatically excluded lol.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

You keep saying north America, which includes the Caribbean. So I'm specific that if you came from the Caribbean to America on your own free wjll then you get Nada imo.

Again I’m not talking about the Caribbean. Although I’m not sure why you’d want to fight for some black people NOT to get any money. Seems needlessly spiteful, and would actually help black people less.

It worked fine for native American and jews, I would be more inclusive than exclusive and I would start with the last census , if you select Latino or "me not black papillon" you are automatically excluded lol.

Neither is a comparable situation and it absolutely did not “work” for native Americans.

Plenty of people who select “Latino” on the census can trace their African ancestry to slaves in the USA.

With your argument you open up a huge wormhole of deciding who’s eligible(black enough) or not.

What do we gain by having that fight?

 

[Perfectson]

Again I’m not talking about the Caribbean. Although I’m not sure why you’d want to fight for some black people NOT to get any money. Seems needlessly spiteful, and would actually help black people less.


Neither is a comparable situation and it absolutely did not “work” for native Americans.

Plenty of people who select “Latino” on the census can trace their African ancestry to slaves in the USA.

Perhaps it is spiteful, but if you were taken to jamaica then why would America pay reparations to jamaica or puerto Rico. It doesn't make sense. American blacks had a different history and journey and Jamaicans /puerto Ricans own their countries . .. If anything Jamaicans should be requesting reparations from England and Puerto ricans Spain

Actually reparations are in effect for native American , I'm not sure what you mean by it didn't work. ..they were and have been given reparations and in fact native americans have refused blacks that have native American blood the same coverage . Not sure why giving sums of money to a group of people is now not comparable.

If you believe you're Latino or white or Asian then you don't get reparations simple as that ....we all had different journeys . They will live just slightly less incentivized

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Perhaps it is spiteful, but if you were taken to jamaica then why would America pay reparations to jamaica or puerto Rico. It doesn't make sense. American blacks had a different history and journey and Jamaicans /puerto Ricans own their countries . .. If anything Jamaicans should be requesting reparations from England and Puerto ricans Spain

Slaves were traded between the US territories and what we know know as the Caribbean both ways. The same system brought them all here. Some “Caribbean” people came directly from slavery in the USA.

And again it would be damn there impossible to determine who is who, so why have the fight?

Actually reparations are in effect for native American , I'm not sure what you mean by it didn't work. ..they were and have been given reparations and in fact native americans have refused blacks that have native American blood the same coverage . Not sure why giving sums of money to a group of people is now not comparable.

This is not true, first off a huge problem with the deal NA got was determining eligibility. They are still fighting over who’s eligible today which has led to extreme inequality and poverty within the NA community.

Is that what you want with black people? To create another situation of inequality just within the black community?

If you believe you're Latino or white or Asian then you don't get reparations simple as that ....we all had different journeys . They will live just slightly less incentivized

So all you have to do is believe you are black and you get money? And you thing that’s a reasonable proposition?

Like I said yalls position is out of spite and not what would actually be helpful for black people overall.

 

[Perfectson]

Slaves were traded between the US territories and what we know know as the Caribbean both ways. The same system brought them all here. Some “Caribbean” people came directly from slavery in the USA.

And again it would be damn there impossible to determine who is who, so why have the fight?


This is not true, first off a huge problem with the deal NA got was determining eligibility. They are still fighting over who’s eligible today which has led to extreme inequality and poverty within the NA community.

Is that what you want with black people? To create another situation of inequality just within the black community?



So all you have to do is believe you are black and you get money? And you thing that’s a reasonable proposition?

Like I said yalls position is out of spite and not what would actually be helpful for black people overall.

Yes, if you're black, descendent of slaves, and selected it in census you get reparations .

Simple enough, native americans and jews have comparable programs and there will always be exceptions and people left off but we should be able to capture most of it and some is better than none.

I also understand slaves we're traded, if they landed in America and stayed reparations. Not sure what's hard about it? You're trying to debate specifics like I'm setting the policy, the general concept is there and it doesn't include latins, period

 

[MeachTheMonster]

Yes, if you're black, descendent of slaves, and selected it in census you get reparations .

This would encompass lots of “Latinos”

You realize a person can be “black” and “Latino” right?

Simple enough, native americans and jews have comparable programs and there will always be exceptions and people left off but we should be able to capture most of it and some is better than none.

No, they don’t. There is and has been nothing similar to what you guys are advocating here. I’m not sure you understand your history on this point.

I also understand slaves we're traded, if they landed in America and stayed reparations. Not sure what's hard about it? You're trying to debate specifics like I'm setting the policy, the general concept is there and it doesn't include latins, period

Again slaves were traded from America to The Caribbean and back. What about someone descendent from a slave in the USA but one of their kids got traded south, would his bloodline not be eligible. And again how the hell would we even determine this?

Your argument requires “specifics” cause you’d have to closely scrutinize peoples ancestry to make it work.

“Black” people is not really a defined thing. Gotta define that before you can say only “black” people should get something.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

AOC is a cracker spic. Her and her ilk profited from slavery she don't deserve reparations.

 

[Red Shield]

Nope Tariq Nasheed is right. And this here now officially makes me question her position especially when I was slowly becoming a fan of hers. Reparations that AADOS want is specifically for AADOS due to the legacy of slavery. Not some New Deal/whatever Cortez is saying. Seems like she is changing the definition of the reparations that AADOS want. The racial wealth gap started with slavery NOT the New Deal which came decades/white suburbia which came decades even after Black codes.


Agent my ass. But of course this is the HL where you guys are more "fans" of these politicians.

yea she fukked up with this just like bernie

 

[Robbie3000]

AOC is a cracker spic. Her and her ilk profited from slavery she don't deserve reparations.

You bitter ADOS internet crowd have to be the angriest and whiniest bytches in the world.

 

[Biscayne]

This is the critical mistake that will end Tariq's trolling career.

You don't find anything particularly strange about AOC trying to make Reparations New Deal focused instead of DOS focused?

 

[Nuke Dukem]

AOC is a cracker spic. Her and her ilk profited from slavery she don't deserve reparations.

Sounding kinda alt right-ish

 

[KingJudah2]

You bitter ADOS internet crowd have to be the angriest and whiniest bytches in the world.

Im not ADOS im Jamaican yuh fassihole, try again cracker

 

[KingJudah2]

You don't find anything particularly strange about AOC trying to make Reparations New Deal focused instead of DOS focused?

AOC is a "were all people of color" latina. That shyt is dead

 

[Perfectson]

Sounding kinda alt right-ish

how is that alt right-ish ? If anything that's pro black