Brown_Pride
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Well it looks like we just have fundamental differences on what should be expected of someone making 50k a year...
Tamir Rice case (12yo boy shot while carrying BB gun) - FULL VID RELEASED on 01/08/15
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The kid did not point it at anybody when he was shot.I mean, based off of what I've seen/heard. I don't think he's done anything outside of how a cop would act in that very moment. It's just a fukked up situation all around. Almost literally worst case scenario. But like I said, based off of whats been put out there, he was justified, as terrible as it sounds.
The kid was pointing it at people though
Adam Lanza pointed his gun and killed people before police showed, up but somehow he's still alive.
ADevilYouKhow
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I never understood why holding the police to a higher standard was so unreasonable
There were reports of him pointing it at people previously, and he reached for it.
Secondly, were these the same cops that didnt shoot Adam Lanza? No
These comparisons you've thrown out are really really lazy. Not everything has a direct comparison.
Yapdatfool
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The kid was pointing it at people though
So was John Crawford... until video showed otherwise.
Like I said, I'll wait for more evidence before I believe the story.
It police don't make enough to do their job effectively then that is something that should be addressed. But saying "I don't get paid enough" is not an excuse to not do your job correctly.
He did not aim or threaten anyone in the presence of the cops
No, but it proves cops can and should bring in violent offenders without killing them. These cops failed to do that and the kid wasn't even violent.
Brown_Pride
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So a cops job is to get shot?
Another thing y'all are missing is that there were two cops with guns pointing at the kid, only one of them fired, so there clearly was a chance for the cop that fired to asses the situation a bit further before opening fire.
Why don't we hold that cop to the standards his own partner exhibited?
Why don't we hold that cop to the standards his own partner exhibited?
Just theorizing what the motivations would be from a child that would justify the cop killing him. Either the kid was hell bent on killing the officer (probably not he didnt have a real gun); the kid was suicidal and wanted to die by cop that day; or the kid had zero regard for the gravity of the situation and decided to point the BB gun at the officer in an act of aggression. If neither of these scenarios are likely, then how do we justify the killing? Thats an open question, btw.
It seems like @Brown_Pride is being selective in what he deems relevant or irrelevant to the discussion. The only relevant fact to him is not the details of scenario of which the cop encountered, and of whom he encountered, but whatever the cop's personal determination was in handling that situation. We may have a global police force state of mind, but we also have a constitution, laws, and a set of principles and moral leanings that protect us as a citizenry in a free society. The act of lethal force by an officer should and must be held to the highest scrutiny, and its a scrutiny you guys seem to want to remove. Thats not defensible in my mind.
A cops job is to protect and serve the community in the face of danger.
The only person this cop protected or served was himself.
Brown_Pride
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Until we get robot police you have to consider the human aspect of cops both the good and bad that come with it. The bad is things like racism, bigotry, cowardice. The good might be compassion, understanding, etc.
Would you have been ok with this had Adam Lanza also been shot and killed?
Brown_Pride
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I'm not selecting anything. What i know is this.
Cops are called because a suspect is pointing a gun at people, it might be fake
Cops show up guns drawn and approach the suspect.
The suspect draws or attempts to draw a weapon.
The cops shoot.
Nothing i've said leads me to believe the cop should have acted any other way. Again I'll say if the gun had turned out to be real and the kid shot and killed the cop then proceeded to kill several more people we'd be in here wondering why the cop didn't shoot the kid when he had the chance.
As @Jutt said the outcome of all the scenarios up to that point really played out in the worse possible way possible...or second worse rather as the one I just pointed out would be the worst.
"Human error" is no excuse in any other job, especially those when lives are on the line.
If there was no precedent of police being able to bring armed people in without shooting them, then we could say he was "just doing his job". As it stands police are trained to handle these situations better than this cop did, so he should have to answer to that.
Why do you think his partner didn't shoot?
Brown_Pride
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it wasn't an error though now was it. I say that based on a few assumptions, if these assumptions are wrong then sure the cop fuked up and in that case needs to be charged with something.
I assume that cops are able to defend themselves against threats.
I assume that cops are trained to view the drawing of a gun on them as a threat.
If either of those is false then draw up charges. If not then the cop handle the situation as trained.