Ta-Nehisi Coates dropping more gems on why blacks still getting screwed

[Poitier]

Batering is a form of capitalism.

 

[David_TheMan]

When you want to make a actual point feel free to do so, no one is stopping you.

 

[Poitier]

When you want to make a actual point feel free to do so, no one is stopping you.

I don't argue with fools.

 

[David_TheMan]

I don't argue with fools.

When you resort to name calling as a argument it tells everyone there is no substance to what you are arguing.
Have a good one though

 

[Ezigbo Nwanyi]

doesnt he live in Paris now, my only question is what else? Neither party is for us....the same tune every 4 years, but we have yet to mobilize, group economics, etc. I'm sick of reading the same shyt every year with no change. Too many talking heads in the community and no action.

He escaped the problem of one white ruled country and went to another white ruled country.

 

[Red Shield]

Maybe you mean a large scale free market, but free markets exists since the beginning of man and to this very day.

When you have something that someone else wants and they step to you and negotiate a sell, that is the free market.
When someone knows you have a skill and comes to you and asks you can you do this for me and I'll pay you, that is the free market.
That is capitalism.

Yea.. Capitalism has existed since the dawn of civilization. And will exist after the usa is toast

 

[yungblkboy8264]

Capitalism is voluntary exchange of goods and services, to claim it was created with the slave trade is idiotic at best.
Especially when the main participants of the slave trade weren't capitalist nations.

Whats even funnier is that you have openly devout racists and classist in communism, socialism, and capitalism because racism and classism are independent of economic systems.

There are no openly debout racist communists, uncle tom. Maybe closeted (just like any group of any sort does) but not open. Communism and Socialism is anti-racism and anti-classism.

 

[yungblkboy8264]

Yea.. Capitalism has existed since the dawn of civilization. And will exist after the usa is toast

Nope. Y'all think being able to buy and sell goods and services is Capitalism. Like @Poitier said: Bartering is not Capitalism.
Some of y'all acting like people in China, Vietnam, and Cuba really can't go to the store and buy something with their money

 

[Red Shield]

Nope. Y'all think being able to buy and sell goods and services is Capitalism. Like @Poitier said: Bartering is not Capitalism.
Some of y'all acting like people in China, Vietnam, and Cuba really can't go to the store and buy something with their money

We're gonna have to agree to disagree then breh.

 

[David_TheMan]

There are no openly debout racist communists, uncle tom. Maybe closeted (just like any group of any sort does) but not open. Communism and Socialism is anti-racism and anti-classism.

Engels andl Marx the fathers of communism were both openly devout racist.
They wanted to exterminate Russians, they pretty much hated all non-germans, blacks and notably jews.
Hell, Marx even claimed there was a good side to chattel slavery, as practiced in the US.

"...the Jewish ******, Lassalle... it is now completely clear to me that he, as is proved by his cranial formation and his hair, descends from the Negroes from Egypt, assuming that his mother or grandmother had not interbred with a ******. Now this union of Judaism and Germanism with a basic Negro substance must produce a peculiar product. The obtrusiveness of the fellow is also ******-like."
- Karl Marx to Friedrich Engels (Letter, July 1862), in reference to his socialist political competitor, Ferdinand Lassalle.
See the entry of 5 Feb. 2005 in Marx & Friends in their own words/ - See more at: The Hidden History of Marx and Engels: Genocide Quotations

"I have arrived at the conviction that there is nothing to his [Tremaux's] theory if for no other reason than because he neither understands geology nor is capable of the most ordinary literary historical criticism. One could laugh oneself sick about his stories of the ****** Santa Maria and of the transmutations of the whites into Negroes. Especially, that the traditions of the Senegal ******s deserve absolute credulity, just because the rascals cannot write! . . . Perhaps this man will prove in the second volume, how he explains the fact, that we Rhinelanders have not long ago turned into idiots and ******s on our own Devonian Transition rocks . . . Or perhaps he will maintain that we are real ******s."
- Friedrich Engels to Karl Marx, (Letter, 2 October 1866)
See the entry of 22 April 2005 in Marx & Friends in their own words/ - See more at: The Hidden History of Marx and Engels: Genocide Quotations

"Being in his quality as a ******, a degree nearer to the rest of the animal kingdom than the rest of us, he is undoubtedly the most appropriate representative of that district.
- Letter from Friedrich Engels to Karl Marx's daughter, Laura, speaking about her husband Paul Lafargue, April 1887, who ran for public office in a district holding the Paris Zoo. Engels felt license to write such filth to Laura (Marx) Lafargue, because Karl Marx himself had violently opposed her marriage to "a ******". Marx referenced Lafargue as "the little negro" or "the gorilla". Jenny Marx, the mother, wrote to Engels that she hoped her daughter would not have "ten little ****** boys". Apparently this kind of hard-racism ran in the Marx family, except for Laura Marx.
See the entry of 23 April 2005 in Marx & Friends in their own words/ - See more at: The Hidden History of Marx and Engels: Genocide Quotations

Plenty of racist socialists as well, Mussolini, Hitler, FDR, Woodrow Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, and I could go on.

Openly racist.

There is nothing anti-racist about communism and socialism. They are ideas about economic ordering, not morality. Same with capitalism.

 

[yungblkboy8264]

Engels andl Marx the fathers of communism were both openly devout racist.
They wanted to exterminate Russians, they pretty much hated all non-germans, blacks and notably jews.
Hell, Marx even claimed there was a good side to chattel slavery, as practiced in the US.






Plenty of racist socialists as well, Mussolini, Hitler, FDR, Woodrow Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, and I could go on.

Openly racist.

There is nothing anti-racist about communism and socialism. They are ideas about economic ordering, not morality. Same with capitalism.

Hitler and Mussolini were Fascists which is the opposite of communist. And as I said in my earlier post, I'm not concerned about any flaws that previous historical communists had. Just because Marx called people ******s in 1862 doesn't mean communism is not the best solution we have available.

Also, you are a cac.

 

[David_TheMan]

Hitler and Mussolini were Fascists which is the opposite of communist. And as I said in my earlier post, I'm not concerned about any flaws that previous historical communists had. Just because Marx called people ******s in 1862 doesn't mean communism is not the best solution we have available.

Also, you are a cac.

I know they were fascist and I never said they were communist.
They were both socialists though, which is what I grouped them as, along with FDR, Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, and etc.

You said

There are no openly debout racist communists, uncle tom

I proved you wrong by showing you the creators of the communist concept were in fact open racists.
If you want more, Pol Pot is was a communist and also openly racist as well..
USSR was even racist against tartars, armenians, and some Baltic ethnicities.

So you just are factually wrong.
Funny how you have the nerve to call me white, when you are here co-signing the dreams of racist germans who would spit on you and me if they saw us.

SMH

 

[yungblkboy8264]

I know they were fascist and I never said they were communist.
They were both socialists though, which is what I grouped them as, along with FDR, Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, and etc.

You said


I proved you wrong by showing you the creators of the communist concept were in fact open racists.
If you want more, Pol Pot is was a communist and also openly racist as well..
USSR was even racist against tartars, armenians, and some Baltic ethnicities.

So you just are factually wrong.
Funny how you have the nerve to call me white, when you are here co-signing the dreams of racist germans who would spit on you and me if they saw us.

SMH

Just because hitler's party was called the Nazi Socialists or whatever doesn't mean he was a real actual socialist and neither was Mussolini. They were both Fascist Conservatives.

 

[David_TheMan]

Just because hitler's party was called the Nazi Socialists or whatever doesn't mean he was a real actual socialist and neither was Mussolini. They were both Fascist Conservatives.

Hitler was a socialist, look at his actual economic policy. Its socialist by definition, same actually as the US's economy at the time and to this day. Same as Mussolini.
Yes they were fascist, fascism is a form of socialism, the same way communism is a extreme form of socialism.

As for being conservative, I would agree, socialism (or the 3rd way) was a common economic middle ground for those established in power during the early 1900s when communism was spreading, its a way for them to keep their power and assets while providing the lipservice that they were making moves for "the people"

That said, you haven't been able to actually defend your point about socialism or communism being anti-racist, and I've shown plenty.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

You should probably read the links I posted instead of reading one link and stopping after one paragraph. If you read them you would see posts of articles at the time of his death celebrating it.

Lincoln wasn't insanely beloved after his death. It wasn't actually until the 1920s and years of public school indocrtination of "honest abe" myth that Lincoln began to become "beloved" in the US. Like I said he was mired in scandal throughout his life and largely hated during his presidency and at the time of his death.

I can't argue with someone who doesn't have the reading comprehension to understand the material he posted in his own link.

"It was only with his death that Lincoln's popularity soared. Lincoln was slain on Good Friday, and pastors who had for four years criticized Lincoln from their pulpits rewrote their Easter Sunday sermons to remember him as an American Moses who brought his people out of slavery but was not allowed to cross over into the Promised Land. Secretary of War Stanton arranged a funeral procession for Lincoln's body on a continental scale, with the slain president now a Republican martyr to freedom, traversing in reverse his train journey from Springfield to the nation's capital four years earlier. Seeing Lincoln's body in his casket, with soldiers in blue standing guard, hundreds of thousands of Northerners forgot their earlier distrust and took away instead an indelible sentimental image of patriotic sacrifice, one that cemented the dominance of the Republican Party for the rest of their lives and their children's."

Your link says that Lincoln began to be beloved IMMEDIATELY on his death. It's talking about sermons written on THAT day, talking about hundresd of thousands who forgot their distrust right then and there and, as it notes, cemented the dominance of the Republican party for their lifetimes.

What's this "1920s" bullshyt? The effect was immediate.



"It wasn’t until it became clear that the North was going to win the war that the tide of opinion started to change. His murder completely changed how people viewed him from then onward (thus began his rise to “sainthood.”)"

And that's from your other link. It claims that the tide of opinion was changing even before his death, from when it became clear the North was going to win the war. (Which you say was a full year before his death.) And it says that his murder completely changed how people viewed him. Not public school indoctrination 55 years later. His murder, then and there.


Was there an article somewhere by someone who hated him? Of course! Someone writes articles hating on every president, and Lincoln warred against an entire half of the country, sent 500,000 soldiers to their deaths, and ended slavery, so he had more haters than most. But that doesn't change the fact that he was generally beloved upon his death, which even your own links admit.

Everything else you say was already rebuked handedly. Reread what I posted. You don't seem to be able to sift history outside of your own opinion, which you probably got from a youtube video by some NeoConfederate or some idiot who listens to them.