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Bernie Sanders and the Liberal Imagination


Last week I critiqued Bernie Sanders for dismissing reparations specifically, and for offering up a series of moderate anti-racist solutions, in general. Some felt it was unfair to single out Sanders given that, on reparations, Sanders’s chief opponent Hillary Clinton holds the same position. This argument proposes that we abandon the convention of judging our candidates by their chosen name:

Youth unemployment for African American kids is 51 percent. We have more people in jail than any other country. So yes, count me as a radical. I want to invest in jobs and education for our young people rather than jails and incarceration.

When a candidate points to high unemployment among black youth, as well as high incarceration rates, and then dubs himself a radical, it seems prudent to ask what radical anti-racist policies that candidate actually embraces. Hillary Clinton has no interest in being labeled radical, left-wing, or even liberal. Thus announcing that Clinton doesn’t support reparations is akin to announcing thatTed Cruz doesn’t support a woman’s right to choose. The position is certainly wrong. But it is hardly a surprise, and doesn't run counter to the candidate’s chosen name.


Why Precisely Is Bernie Sanders Against Reparations?


What candidates name themselves is generally believed to be important. Many Sanders supporters, for instance, correctly point out that Clinton handprints are all over America’s sprawling carceral state. I agree with them and have said so at length. Voters, and black voters particularly, should never forget that Bill Clinton passed arguably the most immoral “anti-crime” bill in American history, and that Hillary Clinton aided its passage through her invocation of the super-predator myth. A defense of Clinton rooted in the claim that “Jeb Bush held the same position” would not be exculpatory. (“Law and order conservative embraces law and order” would surprise no one.) That is because the anger over the Clintons’ actions isn’t simply based on their having been wrong, but on their craven embrace of law and order Republicanism in the Democratic Party’s name.

One does not find anything as damaging as the carceral state in the Sanders platform, but the dissonance between name and action is the same. Sanders’s basic approach is to ameliorate the effects of racism through broad, mostly class-based policies—doubling the minimum wage, offering single-payer health-care, delivering free higher education. This is the same “A rising tide lifts all boats” thinking that has dominated Democratic anti-racist policy for a generation. Sanders proposes to intensify this approach. But Sanders’s actual approach is really no different than President Obama’s. I have repeatedly stated my problem with the “rising tide” philosophy when embraced by Obama and liberals in general. (See here, here, here, and here.) Again, briefly, treating a racist injury solely with class-based remedies is like treating a gun-shot wound solely with bandages. The bandages help, but they will not suffice.

There is no need to be theoretical about this. Across Europe, the kind of robust welfare state Sanders supports—higher minimum wage, single-payer health-care, low-cost higher education—has been embraced. Have these policies vanquished racism? Or has race become another rubric for asserting who should benefit from the state’s largesse and who should not? And if class-based policy alone is insufficient to banish racism in Europe, why would it prove to be sufficient in a country founded on white supremacy? And if it is not sufficient, what does it mean that even on the left wing of the Democratic party, the consideration of radical, directly anti-racist solutions has disappeared? And if radical, directly anti-racist remedies have disappeared from the left-wing of the Democratic Party, by what right does one expect them to appear in the platform of an avowed moderate like Clinton?

a candidate elevate class above all. And now we see that same candidate invoking class to deliver another blow to affirmative action. And that is only the latest instance of populism failing black people.

Divisive” is how Joe Lieberman swatted away his interlocutors. “Divisive” is how the media dismissed the public option. “Divisive” is what Hillary Clinton is calling Sanders’s single-player platform right now.

So “divisive” was Abraham Lincoln’s embrace of abolition that it got him shot in the head. So “divisive” was Lyndon Johnson’s embrace of civil rights that it fractured the Democratic Party. So “divisive” was Ulysses S. Grant’s defense of black civil rights and war upon the Klan, that American historians spent the better part of a century destroying his reputation. So “divisive” was Martin Luther King Jr. that his own government bugged him, harassed him, and demonized him until he was dead. And now, in our time, politicians tout their proximity to that same King, and dismiss the completion of his work—the full pursuit of equality—as “divisive.” The point is not that reparations is not divisive. The point is that anti-racism is always divisive. A left radicalism that makes Clintonism its standard for anti-racism—fully knowing it could never do such a thing in the realm of labor, for instance—has embraced evasion.

This, too, leaves us in poor company. “Hillary Clinton is against reparations, too” does not differ from, “What about black-on-black crime?” That Clinton doesn’t support reparations is an actual problem, much like high murder rates in black communities are actual problems. But neither of these are actual answers to the questions being asked. It is not wrong to ask about high murder rates in black communities. But when the question is furnished as an answer for police violence, it is evasion. It is not wrong to ask why mainstream Democrats don’t support reparations. But when the question is asked to defend a radical Democrat’s lack of support, it is avoidance.

The need for so many (although not all) of Sanders’s supporters to deflect the question, to speak of Hillary Clinton instead of directly assessing whether Sanders’s position is consistent, intelligent, and moral hints at something terrible and unsaid. The terribleness is this: To destroy white supremacy we must commit ourselves to the promotion of unpopular policy. To commit ourselves solely to the promotion of popular policy means making peace with white supremacy.

His answer was underwhelming. It does not have to be this way. One could imagine a candidate asserting the worth of reparations, the worth of John Conyers H.R. 40, while also correctly noting the present lack of working coalition. What should be unimaginable is defaulting to the standard of Clintonism, of “Yes, but she’s against it, too.”A left radicalism that fails to debate its own standards, that counsels misdirection, that preaches avoidance, is really just a radicalism of convenience.
 

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Why Bernie :snoop:
Just why:snoop:
Why did he have to be the candidate black twitter liberals turned on:snoop:

To this day ever since that BLM incident liberal whites and blacks have been propagating Bernie as the candidate of liberal white males/racists as if they're speaking for all black Americans:snoop:
Why couldn't they just run with him:snoop:
Why:snoop:
 

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Is it good if the issues that need fixing don't get fixed? White people have no problem instituting laws that target black people negatively that are popular yet morally wrong, but its "unpopular" to do the reverse even though its the morally right thing to do in order to fix the damage white people have done.
 

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Coates wants White acceptance even more than BLM.

Explain.

Why Bernie :snoop:
Just why:snoop:
Why did he have to be the candidate black twitter liberals turned on:snoop:

To this day ever since that BLM incident liberal whites have been propagating Bernie as the candidate of liberal white males as if they're speaking for all black Americans:snoop:
Why couldn't they just run with him:snoop:
Why:snoop:

If you ever seen the racial fukkery that Sanders supporters engage in online and the fact that he hasn't addressed it at all, much like Trump hasn't addressed his clearly racist supporters means more of the same.
 

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Is it good if the issues that need fixing don't get fixed? White people have no problem instituting laws that target black people negatively that are popular yet morally wrong, but its "unpopular" to do the reverse even though its the morally right thing to do in order to fix the damage white people have done.
IF BERNIE CAMPAIGNED ON REPARATIONS FOR SLAVERY, HE WOULD LOSE BADLY AND YOU KNOW THAT, BROTHER! IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT HILLARY HAS CHOSEN THIS TACTIC, BUT WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM SOMEONE WHO IS MAKING MONEY OFF THE IMPRISONMENT OF BLACK PEOPLE, DUDE? POLITICS IS A DIRTY GAME AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE HILLARY IS PLAYING IT, THIS MUST BE BABY'S FIRST ELECTION FOR YOU, MEAN GENE!
 

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I don't really see Coates' point here, since the idea of reparations isn't politically tenable and no mainstream politician is going to support it. Seems like he's just being a contrarian.

What is he suggesting that black voters do? Abstain from voting at all? Vote Green Party? Because I mean, if "support reparations" is a requirement to get the black vote then we won't be participating in elections anytime soon.
 

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IF BERNIE CAMPAIGNED ON REPARATIONS FOR SLAVERY, HE WOULD LOSE BADLY AND YOU KNOW THAT, BROTHER! IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT HILLARY HAS CHOSEN THIS TACTIC, BUT WHAT DO YOU EXPECT FROM SOMEONE WHO IS MAKING MONEY OFF THE IMPRISONMENT OF BLACK PEOPLE, DUDE? POLITICS IS A DIRTY GAME AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE HILLARY IS PLAYING IT, THIS MUST BE BABY'S FIRST ELECTION FOR YOU, MEAN GENE!

First off, stop typing in caps. It's corny.

Secondly, who said I fukked with Clinton? She's :trash:.

Thirdly, Bernie is a old white man running for president. Aint shyt revolutionary about that. None of his ideas are either. He needs to cut the shyt with that nonsense.
 

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I don't really see Coates' point here, since the idea of reparations isn't politically tenable and no mainstream politician is going to support it. Seems like he's just being a contrarian.

What is he suggesting that black voters do? Abstain from voting at all? Vote Green Party? Because I mean, if "support reparations" is a requirement to get the black vote then we won't be participating in elections anytime soon.

Maybe its that they should earn the black vote. They have no problem putting in other polices that are basically to help one race (Homestead Act for whites, DREAM act for Hispanics, mostly Mexicans, etc). But helping black people is "decisive", and Bernie hasn't put forth a single policy targeted towards black people positively. He pretty much spells it out in the article.

This ta-nehisi nikka needs to shut the fukk up, its obvious he is a hillary plan y

nikka, did you even read the article or are you just throwing shyt out to see what sticks?
 

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Explain.



If you ever seen the racial fukkery that Sanders supporters engage in online and the fact that he hasn't addressed it at all, much like Trump hasn't addressed his clearly racist supporters means more of the same.
The "racial fukkery" i've seen Sanders supporters get into is far from an indictment on the entire base but it's more convenient to promote it as so as if Clinton supporters are any better, especially when you see what they were getting into back in 2008.
And white people saying "but he marched with Martin" doesn't mean shyt to me, did Bernie ever use that as a general topic? No, only his supporters (some of which ho I've seen that are black), and whenever I would mention that it would be like in the middle of a list of stuff I was listing about Bernie.
I understand why that would "offend" black people and make them want to (dumbly) turn against Bernie in spite, but it's practically harmless and born out of them being cluelessness, far from maliciousness.
And if you mean the criticisms against BLM, plenty of black people criticized them as well, there was literally no reason for them to do such a risky attack against Bernie rather than trying to communicate against them first, because as we've seen it had the massive potential to damage his campaign (and if he didn't respond to that then it would be time to storm his rally), and those girls were blatant race baiters considering they posted a picture on twitter right after drinking a glass of water with a shirt that said "white tears", they're not a movement beyond reproach.
And because of that some of that rhetoric has been transmitted to Bernie himself.
And Bernie has to appeal to ALL voters, so of course there are going to be voters in his cause who are probably racists or clueless people screaming "#alllivesmatter" and making clueless remarks about race, what is he supposed to do about it?
It's easier to stereotype his base as former ron paul supporting white males than to acknowledge he has supporters from all walks of life and millions of supporters the opposite of that, but bigging up the negative is easier.
 

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Maybe its that they should earn the black vote. They have no problem putting in other polices that are basically to help one race (Homestead Act for whites, DREAM act for Hispanics, mostly Mexicans, etc). But helping black people is "decisive", and Bernie hasn't put forth a single policy targeted towards black people positively. He pretty much spells it out in the article.

That doesn't really answer the question of what Coates (or you) would have black voters do.


Sanders doesn't support reparations. Neither does Clinton or any other Democrat, and they're unlikely to change their position on that in the near future. So...we should just not vote for anybody and abstain from participating in the political process until the perfect candidate comes along? :jbhmm:
 
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