Arcane alone bodies their entire animation catalogue. I'll fukk with netflix for as long as they keep providing variety that don't "count" to these HBO goons.
Survey: 39% of Americans Say Netflix Has Best Original Content of All Streaming Services
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Arcane alone bodies their entire animation catalogue. I'll fukk with netflix for as long as they keep providing variety that don't "count" to these HBO goons.
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Na, I'm more like, "You can like both, there is a time and place for everything."
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Cool.. "niche" means that the shows would appeal to a lesser population than the masses and we see that's not true given their ratings on linear TV and viewers on streaming
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Look at this thread title, look at the sub numbers, look at their market caps yeah HBO Max is niche compared to Netflix.
None of these shows are bodying the best from Netflix. They're up there. I like Succession as well but last season was weak after an amazing season 2. I don't know if they got it anymore with the father bodying the kids every season. And True Detective after season 1 is pure unadulterated trash
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Which ones are the misses?
The thread is about quality…in terms of rating while they were actually airing The Wire “missed”…..The Duece, Show Me a Hero, The Plot Against America, The Leftovers, and probably The Night Of “missed”
Maybe The Outsider as well, not sure how “well” it did.
I think one of HBO’s strong points is that they invest in shyt that might take a minute to really hit (The Wire). That might change now that their whole company is shaken up though.
In Search of Cash, Studios Send Old Shows Back to Netflix
When building their own streaming companies, many entertainment studios ended lucrative licensing deals with Netflix. But they missed the money too much.
In Search of Cash, Studios Send Old Shows Back to Netflix
When building their own streaming companies, many entertainment studios ended lucrative licensing deals with Netflix. But they missed the money too much.- Share full article
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Old episodes of “Suits” have been one of Netflix’s biggest hits this year.Credit...Christos Kalohoridis/USA Network
By John Koblin and Nicole Sperling
Dec. 15, 2023
For years, entertainment company executives happily licensed classic movies and television shows to Netflix. Both sides enjoyed the spoils: Netflix received popular content like “Friends” and Disney’s “Moana,” which satisfied its ever-growing subscriber base, and it sent bags of cash back to the companies.
But around five years ago, executives realized they were “selling nuclear weapons technology” to a powerful rival, as Disney’s chief executive, Robert A. Iger, put it. Studios needed those same beloved movies and shows for the streaming services they were building from scratch, and fueling Netflix’s rise was only hurting them. The content spigots were, in large part, turned off.
Then the harsh realities of streaming began to emerge.
Confronting sizable debt burdens and the fact that most streaming services still don’t make money, studios like Disney and Warner Bros. Discovery have begun to soften their do-not-sell-to-Netflix stances. The companies are still holding back their most popular content — movies from the Disney-owned Star Wars and Marvel universes and blockbuster original series like HBO’s “Game of Thrones” aren’t going anywhere — but dozens of other films like “Dune” and “Prometheus” and series like “Young Sheldon” are being sent to the streaming behemoth in return for much-needed cash. And Netflix is once again benefiting.
Ted Sarandos, one of Netflix’s co-chief executives, said at an investor conference last week that the “availability to license has opened up a lot more than it was in the past,” arguing that the studios’ earlier decision to hold back content was “unnatural.”
“They’ve always built the studios to license,” he said.
As David Decker, the content sales president for Warner Bros. Discovery, said: “Licensing is becoming in vogue again. It never went away, but there’s more of a willingness to license things again. It generates money, and it gets content viewed and seen.”
In the coming months, Disney will start sending a number of shows from its catalog to Netflix, including “This Is Us,” “How I Met Your Mother,” “Prison Break” and several editions of ESPN’s sports documentary series “30 for 30.” “White Collar,” a Disney-owned show that used to be part of the same lineup as “Suits” on the USA Network, will also join the service. (Old episodes of “Suits” have been one of Netflix’s biggest hits this year.) The popular 2000s-era ABC hit “Lost,” which left Netflix in 2018, is also returning next year.
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Jeremy Zimmer, the chief executive of the United Talent Agency, said the studios’ about face was a “financial necessity.”
“They said, ‘Wow, in order for us to compete in streaming, it’s costing us billions to create new content to drive subscriptions,’” Mr. Zimmer said. “‘Where are we going to find the money? Oh! We have this stuff that’s been sitting here. We can sell that.’ It’s a very logical progression.”
Acknowledging the motivation, Dan Cohen, the chief content licensing officer for Paramount, said one of the biggest advantages to licensing for traditional media companies was that “the margins tend to be high.”
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Many Warner Bros. movie titles also began appearing on Netflix last month, including the 2021 blockbuster “Dune.”Credit...Chia Bella James/Warner Bros. Pictures
Movies and series from other studios have long provided a vital backbone to Netflix, allowing executives to populate the service with established favorites to complement its original series like “The Crown,” “Wednesday” and “The Diplomat.” The company said on Tuesday that from January to June, 45 percent of all viewing on the service came from licensed shows and movies.
While the amount of licensed content on the service is growing after a slowdown, content from other studios never completely went away. According to Netflix, the top 10 most-watched movie list for a one-week period ending Dec. 10 includes four films from Universal Pictures alone. Those movies come to Netflix from a handful of agreements with Universal, one of which was reached in 2021, in which new animated theatrical releases like “The Super Mario Bros.” go to Netflix as part of a structure that toggles titles between Netflix and Universal’s own streaming service, Peacock.
The streaming giant has a similar agreement from 2021 with Sony Pictures, whereby the studio sends movies like “Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse” and the Jennifer Lawrence comedy “No Hard Feelings” to Netflix four to six months after their theatrical run is complete.
Studios are also licensing content to services like Amazon, Tubi and Hulu, of which Disney is the majority owner. And, in most cases, Netflix does not have exclusive access to the movies and series it’s getting; many titles will also be available on entertainment company services like Max and Hulu.
Still, the return to Netflix is notable.
When Warner Bros. was beginning to build out its streaming service — now known as Max — in 2020, it held back content from Netflix, which was now a direct and formidable competitor. Netflix has 247 million subscribers worldwide, while Max has less than half that.
David Zaslav tossed that policy aside soon after he took over as chief executive of Warner Bros. Discovery in April 2022. Last month, several seasons of “Young Sheldon,” a CBS show that Warner Bros. produces, became available on Netflix. The series quickly found itself on the service’s top 10 most-watched list.
Many Warner Bros. movie titles also began appearing on Netflix recently, including the 2021 blockbuster “Dune,” and D.C. films like “Man of Steel,” “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice” and “Wonder Woman.”
For years, Netflix had been trying to get its hands on HBO content. Though HBO had a history of licensing several of its shows — “Sex and the City” to the E! Network, for instance, or “The Sopranos” to A&E — the company steadfastly refused to license to Netflix.
That abruptly changed several months ago when Netflix bought the rights to stream HBO series like “Insecure,” “Ballers,” “Six Feet Under,” “Band of Brothers” and “The Pacific.”
Nearly all of the shows quickly became hits on the streaming service.
“I am comfortable with it, and so far, it seems to be working,” Casey Bloys, HBO’s chairman, said at a news media conference last month, adding that any show that has become available on Netflix has also seen an “uptick” in viewing on the Max streaming service.
Netflix credits its large subscriber base and its recommendation algorithm as the reasons that a 22-year-old show like “Six Feet Under” or a once forgotten basic cable legal drama like “Suits” can become a hit on its service.
“That is a reflection of what we do best,” Mr. Sarandos said this week.
Still, Netflix does not anticipate returning the favor.
Mr. Sarandos said that the company doesn’t have a division for licensing original series nor does he see any reason to set one up.
“I do think that we can add tremendous value when we license content,” he said. “I’m not positive that it’s reciprocal.”
John Koblin covers the television industry. He is the co-author of “It’s Not TV: The Spectacular Rise, Revolution, and Future of HBO.” More about John Koblin
Nicole Sperling covers Hollywood and the streaming industry. She has been a reporter for more than two decades. More about Nicole Sperling
A version of this article appears in print on Dec. 16, 2023, Section B, Page 1 of the New York edition with the headline: Studios Loosen Reluctance To Send Shows to Netflix. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe
Would have never came to that if they maintained symbiosis with Netflix. But nah they had to get greedy and try to violate Netflix when it was time to renew licensing deals.
Netflix Pays $5 Billion for ‘Raw’ in Bet on Live Events
Netflix Inc. has acquired the exclusive rights to Raw as well as other programming from World Wrestling Entertainment, marking the video service’s first big move into live events.
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Netflix Pays $5 Billion for ‘Raw’ in Bet on Live Events
- Company to be exclusive home for show in US, other territories
- Streaming service to air three hours of live wrestling weekly
WWE Wrestlemania Raw in Phoenix, Arizona, on March 27, 2023.
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Netflix Inc. has acquired the exclusive rights to Raw as well as other programming from World Wrestling Entertainment, marking the streaming service’s first big move into live events.
Raw will air on Netflix in the US, Canada, Latin America and other international markets beginning in January 2025, after the expiration of the WWE’s domestic deal with Comcast Corp. The company will also become the exclusive home outside the US for all WWE shows and specials, including Smackdown and NXT, as well as pay-per-view live events like Wrestlemania, SummerSlam and Royal Rumble. The pay-per-view events will be included at no additional cost for Netflix customers.
After attracting more than 200 million customers by offering films and TV shows on-demand, Netflix has now committed to offering three hours of live wrestling a week starting next year. The company hopes the deal will bring in millions of loyal WWE viewers and provide a boost for its fledgling advertising-supported plan. Netflix has been dabbling in live events for the last year, airing a live comedy special, as well as a golf match, but this is the first long-term rights deal.
The WWE is the latest major live event to shift from cable TV to streaming. Ultimate Fighting Championship, which like WWE is owned by TKO Group Holdings Inc., offers many of its matches on ESPN+, while the National Football League sold Amazon.com Inc. the rights to Thursday Night Football. A playoff game on Comcast’s Peacock just delivered the largest streaming audience for any professional sports event in the US.
While the WWE isn’t exactly a sport — most of the storylines are scripted — it draws a consistent live audience akin to a sporting event. Raw is the most-watched of the WWE’s programs, drawing about 1.5 million viewers per show. It debuted in 1993 and has been the training ground for future movie stars Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson and John Cena.
“By combining our reach, recommendations and fandom with WWE, we’ll be able to deliver more joy and value for their audiences and our members,” Netflix Chief Content Officer Bela Bajaria said in a statement. The company has also licensed the rights to WWE’s documentaries and original series.
Comcast paid about $265 million a year for the rights to Raw, but the owner of NBCUniversal last year acquired the rights to Smackdown, considered the second-best package, for about $287 million a year. Shares in TKO, the owner of WWE, sank on the news as investors had been hoping the package would score a bigger payday. They also feared WWE would struggle to find a lucrative new home for Raw. Investors didn’t account for Netflix’s newfound interest in live entertainment, however.
TKO has now secured long-term deals for all of its biggest properties, and will negotiate its next deal for the UFC in 2025.
“Our partnership fundamentally alters and strengthens the media landscape, dramatically expands the reach of WWE and brings weekly live appointment viewing to Netflix,” Mark Shapiro, TKO’s president, said in a statement.
Breaking: Netflix Secures WWE 'Monday Night Raw' Rights in Blockbuster 10-Year, $5 Billion Deal
“Raw” will become the streaming giant’s first regular live broadcast and first live sports rights.
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Netflix Nabs WWE ‘Raw’ Rights in Major $5B Deal
Beginning in 2025, the streaming giant will also become the international home for the WWE's full slate of live events, including 'Wrestlemania' and 'Smackdown.'
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Netflix Buys Rights To WWE's 'Raw,' Its First Big Live Event - Slashdot
Netflix has acquired the exclusive rights to Raw as well as other programming from World Wrestling Entertainment, marking the streaming service's first big move into live events. From a report: Raw will air on Netflix in the US, Canada, Latin America and other international markets beginning in...
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Netflix, WWE Strike Deal to Move ‘Monday Night Raw’ to Streamer Beginning in 2025 for $500 Million per Year
'Monday Night Raw' is headed to Netflix in 2025.
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Netflix, WWE Strike Deal to Move ‘Monday Night Raw’ to Streamer Beginning in 2025 for $500 Million per Year
By Joe Otterson
WWE
UPDATED: “ Monday Night Raw” is headed to Netflix.
In a major shakeup, WWE has struck a deal with Netflix that will see its flagship weekly live pro wrestling show begin airing exclusively on the streaming giant beginning in January 2025. That will mark the first time in its three-decade history that “Raw” has not aired new episodes on a linear television network.
The deal is valued at $500 million per year for 10 years. Netflix has the option to opt out after the initial five years and to extend for an additional 10 years. By comparison, sources also say WWE’s current five-year deal for “Raw” with NBCUniversal is worth approximately $250 million-$260 million per year.
“We are excited to have WWE Raw, with its huge and passionate multigenerational fan base, on Netflix,” said Netflix chief content officer Bela Bajaria. “By combining our reach, recommendations and fandom with WWE, we’ll be able to deliver more joy and value for their audiences and our members. Raw is the best of sports entertainment, blending great characters and storytelling with live action 52 weeks a year and we’re thrilled to be in this long-term partnership with WWE.”
WWE’s current deal with NBCUniversal has “Raw” airing on USA Network until October 2024. According to an individual with knowledge of the situation, exactly where “Raw” will air between the end of that deal and the beginning of the Netflix deal is still being determined.
Under the deal, Netflix will become the exclusive home of “Raw” in the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Latin America and other territories once the deal begins, with more countries and regions to be added over time. Netflix will also become the television home for all WWE shows outside the U.S. That includes fellow weekly shows “SmackDown” and “NXT” as well as annual live events like WrestleMania, SummerSlam and the Royal Rumble, as well as documentaries, original series and additional projects.
“In its relatively short history, Netflix has engineered a phenomenal track record for storytelling,” said Nick Khan, WWE president. “We believe Netflix, as one of the world’s leading entertainment brands, is the ideal long-term home for Raw’s live, loyal, and ever-growing fan base.”
“This deal is transformative,” added Mark Shapiro, president and COO of WWE parent company TKO. “It marries the can’t-miss WWE product with Netflix’s extraordinary global reach and locks in significant and predictable economics for many years. Our partnership fundamentally alters and strengthens the media landscape, dramatically expands the reach of WWE, and brings weekly live appointment viewing to Netflix.”
The deal is the final step in WWE’s latest round of TV rights deals. It was previously announced that rights to “SmackDown” had been sold to NBCUniversal and USA Network in a five-year, $1.4 billion deal. Not long after, it was announced that NXT would be moving from USA Network to The CW. A source close to the deal pegged the value to WWE at about $20 million-$25 million a year, also for five years.
Acquiring rights to “Raw” solidifies Netflix’s push into live programming, with the streamer having just tested the waters with livestreaming of late. In March 2023, Netflix debuted its first-ever live event with the comedy special “Chris Rock: Selective Outrage.” They followed up with a live “Love Is Blind” reunion special in April. They have aired multiple live events since, most recently the 30th Screen Actors Guild Awards.
But with “Raw,” Netflix will have a live program that runs weekly year-round. Such a move is a necessity for the trailblazer of the streaming revolution, with multiple competitors already offering regular live sports programs to their subscribers. Amazon, for example, locked up the exclusive rights to the NFL’s “Thursday Night Football” for 10 years beginning with the 2023 season. Peacock, NBCUniversal’s streaming service and current home to WWE library content and live events in the U.S., recently racked up 23 million viewers when it aired the NFL playoff game between the Kansas City Chiefs and Miami Dolphins.
Shapiro said the deal was months in the making. He credited Bajaria with having the vision to see what WWE could bring to Netflix’s global platform. The long-term licensing agreement was attractive to both buyer and seller for strategic reasons, and it was also a complex transaction worked out in secret. “We both can rarely remember a time when a deal was truly a win-win for both sides – a universally attractive platform means a universally attractive property,” Shapiro said. “Both have significant and loyal followings and the price and the many parts of the deal are right for both parties.”
That price hike gonna be brutal
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The more telling of this story isn’t the 39% it’s the 23% that don’t know. Netflix will always win a survey like this because damn near a quarter of the people don’t know and my guess would be that they don’t know because all they have is Netflix 
What should "they know" tho? They know of Prime, Hulu, Disney+, Max, etc.The more telling of this story isn’t the 39% it’s the 23% that don’t know. Netflix will always win a survey like this because damn near a quarter of the people don’t know and my guess would be that they don’t know because all they have is Netflix