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[ThaRealness]

tripping off DXM will make you retarded, lets get that fact straight.

1000% accurate

 

[ThaRealness]

didn't bill gates trip balls?

nah ur thinking of steve jobs. definitely not bill gates that guy is a square

 

[Liu Kang]

1000% accurate

As accurate as stating that smoking kills.

It's the abuse of a substance (often caused by addiction) that is dangerous, the moderate use of it is generally not.
It's true that DXM can be psychologically addictive for users that don't know the substance and don't control their use. But the substance is not known and not proven addictive like opiates, alcohol, meth or tobacco for example. For example, weed can also be addictive but it's not an addictive substance by nature, the addiction hitting only chronic users.

For DXM, if you simply respect the basic rule of "number of plateaux reached = number of weeks of abstinence", you're safe... unless you hit plateau sigma obviously but then you might be suicidal.
But I can agree that somebody who have the need to do take DXM (or other psychoactive substances and I include tobacco and alcohol in that) regularly (even if respecting the rule) may have deep psychosocial problems to face (and then to avoid) but that's another debate.

For example, if one is a teen and drink a cough syrup bottle (which active molecules are often promethazine-codeine (the latter being an opiate) instead of DXM (being a dissociative)) each week-end to party, one obvsiouly doesn't know what he's doing.

I'm not trying to advocate the use of that substance because it shouldn't be used unless you have a dry cough.
Just trying to be objective about it and about the potential of psychoactive substances overall.

 

[ryshy]

There is a rule with DXM which should be respected : every plateau hit should equal the same amount of weeks (at least) WITHOUT taking it (or better, withouth taking anything psychoactive related). If you hit the plateau 3 (there are 4 + 1), you should wait AT LEAST 3 weeks before redosing... It is known.

Plateau 1 : Incredible music feeling, mild high, dancing mood
Plateau 2 : + Drunk feeling, heavy bodyload (possible nauseas, diarrheas etc.)
Plateau 3 : + Heavy CEV, OEV, auditive hallucination, possible dissociation, clear thoughts, bliss, troubled vision, non-coordinated movements.
Plateau 4 : + Near coma state, high dissociation, DXM-hole.
Plateau sigma : Anaesthesia, psychosis, coma, possible death
I never tried (or even thought reaching) higher than the 3rd, because it is pointless IMO

Yes it's not a psychedelic substance, it's a dissociative one (like PCP, Ketamine, MXE and others), but as the OP were stating that the introspective qualities and benefits of psychedelics were underestimated, I thought I could share the good things that the substance can give.
When I dosed off DXM, I was prepared and my mindstate was clear :

- I fasted the whole day because I wanted my trip to be in the evening / night
- I always meditated (30 minutes at least) before and made stretching exercices in order to relax my body.
- I never did it just to get high, but to achieve a goal I had in mind and to reach a state of clear consciousness. Plus, drinking white grapefruit juice few hours before the trip greatly help to have a peaceful and clear one.
- I didn't trip regularly (like every month for example it would be pointless) because the less you do, the better and the more powerful the trip is (same as many things).

Like everything, moderation and knowledge are the key.
With this in mind, for those interested, a little documentation to read entirely before even thinking about tripping : The Dextroverse - A DXM Community
And if you think you're ready, read the fukking FAQ thrice because you should KNOW the substance by heart (Erowid's one is better displayed : Erowid DXM Vault : DXM FAQ, by William White.

EDIT : I also want to add that I don't do DXM anymore. Not because my brain is messed up (it's not, at all) but because I'm trying different ways.

Yea DXM gave me important spiritual insights and id say made me a better person, it was the first drug that opened my mind to alternative perspectives and realities. IDK how much it really messed with my head, but i will say doing it regularly will give you semi-permenant dissociation, or depersonalization. It also impairs memory and slows your thinking for a bit. But those are the only real side effects, i dont think it causes brain damage so much as it rewires your brain for a bit.

I only "abused" it for like 3 weeks, i would do 1-2nd plateau trips 1-2 times a week, there was a week i tripped 3 times, after that i got such powerful tolerance that it never really affected me the same, which is why ive rarely taken it since. I did one 3rd plateau trip that fukkin wrecked me, i was higher than ive ever been, can barely remember the day but i stared at the sky for an hour and it looked like it was 5 feet away from me.

Great drug tho

 

[ryshy]

An underestimated factor in the bad effects of drugs is age. The people who get fukked up by psychedelics/weed/dissociatives are usually late teens-early 20s. If your still developing mentally then these drugs will likely change your mind, not damage it but cause effects that can be scary and bad, although usually temporary. The real danger is in mental disorders, if your young doing these drugs then you run the heightened risk of developing disorders, if your prone to them. If these drugs were ever legal, i wouldnt want anyone under 21 to be able to take them, im under that age and i know its not a good idea, i mean it wont fukk you for life unless your already messed up or stupid, but they definitely can mess with you for a while.

 

[ThaRealness]

Yea DXM gave me important spiritual insights and id say made me a better person, it was the first drug that opened my mind to alternative perspectives and realities. IDK how much it really messed with my head, but i will say doing it regularly will give you semi-permenant dissociation, or depersonalization. It also impairs memory and slows your thinking for a bit. But those are the only real side effects, i dont think it causes brain damage so much as it rewires your brain for a bit.

I only "abused" it for like 3 weeks, i would do 1-2nd plateau trips 1-2 times a week, there was a week i tripped 3 times, after that i got such powerful tolerance that it never really affected me the same, which is why ive rarely taken it since. I did one 3rd plateau trip that fukkin wrecked me, i was higher than ive ever been, can barely remember the day but i stared at the sky for an hour and it looked like it was 5 feet away from me.

Great drug tho

could u expand on this abit? Someone I used to be friends with had a DXM addiction for a few months, back in hs.

Hes become a real sketchy dude, and claims its the DXM fukked him up.

 

[ryshy]

could u expand on this abit? Someone I used to be friends with had a DXM addiction for a few months, back in hs.

Hes become a real sketchy dude, and claims its the DXM fukked him up.

Well, theres multiple levels of idiocy. Like with acid an stuff like that, you can be a little bit of an idiot an do them regularly. If you give a decent amount of time between trips, you probably wont be too fukked up. But if your a complete idiot and do like 5-6 trips a month for years on end, your gonna be a statistic.

Same thing with dxm, if your a responsible/semi-responsible user, you will likely end up only moderately fukked up, enough to still live a normal life and be just as capable of a person as before. But if you binge on that shyt, you will be far more fukked up than you would from acid, dxm probably does cause brain damage if you do it too much. Your friend probably went overboard with it for a while, until it didnt even affect him anymore, an came out with a totally wrecked brain, probably also still does drugs.

Also psychedelics/dxm an some other drugs are known to cause really bad mental effects in some people (like schizophrenia or somethin), thats why we all say to start with a low dose to see if your compatable with it, and to take everything in moderation, if things get weird then quit.

 

[ryshy]

dont get me wrong dxm isnt a part of this, i definitely dont support the use of that shyt atleast not for more than spiritual purposes.

 

[ThaRealness]

Well, theres multiple levels of idiocy. Like with acid an stuff like that, you can be a little bit of an idiot an do them regularly. If you give a decent amount of time between trips, you probably wont be too fukked up. But if your a complete idiot and do like 5-6 trips a month for years on end, your gonna be a statistic.

Same thing with dxm, if your a responsible/semi-responsible user, you will likely end up only moderately fukked up, enough to still live a normal life and be just as capable of a person as before. But if you binge on that shyt, you will be far more fukked up than you would from acid, dxm probably does cause brain damage if you do it too much. Your friend probably went overboard with it for a while, until it didnt even affect him anymore, an came out with a totally wrecked brain, probably also still does drugs.

Also psychedelics/dxm an some other drugs are known to cause really bad mental effects in some people (like schizophrenia or somethin), thats why we all say to start with a low dose to see if your compatable with it, and to take everything in moderation, if things get weird then quit.

Ya sounds about right.. that dxm shyt is .

 

[T-K-G]

first time i did shrooms i thought it was taking too long so i took one of my nikkas acid tabs (also first time i dropped acid) and that combination was perfect


now when i try to just take one of them it always ends up bein wack so i just stick with the combination





mind you i only do that shyt 1-2 times a month everything in moderation brehs


but i like how it defragments my brain and i start seeing everything through fresh eyes



support hippie drugs brehs

 

[ryshy]

first time i did shrooms i thought it was taking too long so i took one of my nikkas acid tabs (also first time i dropped acid) and that combination was perfect


now when i try to just take one of them it always ends up bein wack so i just stick with the combination





mind you i only do that shyt 1-2 times a month everything in moderation brehs


but i like how it defragments my brain and i start seeing everything through fresh eyes



support hippie drugs brehs

 

[T-K-G]

you kinda young tho i wouldn't support doing that shyt unless you do something creative (draw, paint, make videos, write) cuz it can make you lazy if you just do it for no reason

i only feel the urge to do those drugs when im drawing or writing(for obvious reasons) outside of that i'd rather stay sober


you make music tho so i'd suggest doing those drugs, watch a trippy movie muted and try to make a score to it

 

[its_normal]

LSD should be used in therapy, I touched on shyt I'd never thought about before in my life when I did an LSD trip earlier this year. You do need to be sure you can deal with whatever is in your head though as you can't stop once you've started, I went near some shyt I really didn't want to go near and it was fukked up. Closet thing I could compare my LSD experience to was the movie inception.

 

[T-K-G]

LSD should be used in therapy, I touched on shyt I'd never thought about before in my life when I did an LSD trip earlier this year. You do need to be sure you can deal with whatever is in your head though as you can't stop once you've started, I went near some shyt I really didn't want to go near and it was fukked up. Closet thing I could compare my LSD experience to was the movie inception.

this is the part i dont understand, i've taken acid plenty of times and everytime i felt myself slipping away i just reminded myself that i was on acid and forced myself back into reality i never felt like i couldn't stop anything that was happening


if you can keep your cool you should never feel stuck on anything short of DMT in my opinion

 

[its_normal]

this is the part i dont understand, i've taken acid plenty of times and everytime i felt myself slipping away i just reminded myself that i was on acid and forced myself back into reality i never felt like i couldn't stop anything that was happening


if you can keep your cool you should never feel stuck on anything short of DMT in my opinion

I didn't lose touch touch with reality fully (that happened with salvia), I hadn't prepared for the trip properly and got hit with something from my past that I didn't expect. Once I'd had that I wanted the ride to end but it didn't and I started playing games with myself. It's really hard to explain what happened without writing a long long story but it was a fukked up experience for me. Until I touched on this thing from the past it was very positive, I just made the mistake of wanting the trip to end well before there was any chance of that.