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Suns have been reluctant to give DeAndre Ayton rookie max extension
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Redguard
Hoonding
Not paying Ayton but extending the whole team.Situation is 10x worse
James Jones is cold-blooded
Everybody getting paid before Ayton damn
No average rotational player should be getting 10-11 per year. Dude put up 4.2 ppg in the playoffs last year in 17 minutes a game. It isn't like he's some lock down defender either.
They have Paul, Booker, Bridges and Cam on the perimeter already so it isn't like he's gonna be getting a bunch of playing time either. This contract makes no sense.
beenz
Rap Guerilla
if ur team is decent and not composed of rookie scale players, this is hardly shocking in this day and age.
Yikes:
Contract talks between Phoenix Suns and Deandre Ayton end without agreement, sources say
ADRIAN WOJNAROWSKI AND BRIAN WINDHORST3:35 PM ET4 Minute Read
Discussions on a rookie contract extension for Phoenix Suns center Deandre Ayton ended ahead of a Monday deadline with no agreement, perishing without the franchise ever honoring the 2018 No. 1 overall pick's expectation of a five-year maximum contract offer, sources told ESPN
Ayton, a key part of the Suns' run to the 2021 NBA Finals, held firm on wanting a full, five-year, max contract -- which would've been worth a guaranteed $172.5 million plus possible escalators -- but talks never progressed to the Suns making a formal offer on a max deal ahead of Monday's 6 p.m. ET deadline, sources told ESPN.
In recent weeks, Phoenix raised the concept of a shorter maximum contract deal -- perhaps over three or four years instead of the full five years -- but never formally made the offer or broached the idea again, sources said.
Phoenix now faces an uncertain future with Ayton. The franchise center is unhappy with the franchise's consistent stance to his representatives that the organization simply didn't foresee him as a max player -- regardless of which of his peers in the 2018 NBA Draft class earned max deals this offseason, sources said.
Ayton can enter restricted free agency next summer and sign an offer sheet elsewhere that would still allow the Suns' matching rights --- although it could be a four-year deal that includes an early termination after three years to become an unrestricted free agent. Ayton could also sign a qualifying offer to play out the 2022-2023 season and become an unrestricted free agent in 2023, which would risk the Suns losing a franchise cornerstone player for nothing.
Several of his 2018 NBA Draft classmates signed max deals, including Trae Young, Luka Doncic, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Michael Porter Jr. The Suns reached agreement with 2018 draft classmate, Mikal Bridges, on a four-year, $90 million extension on Sunday, a four-year, $43 million extension with guard Landry Shamet on Monday, sources told ESPN.
Many executives league-wide expected the Ayton max deal would be complete in short order this offseason, and now his possible emergence in the restricted free agent market could impact how team's navigate salary cap space next summer. Throughout the conversations, the Suns' stance had been consistently been the organization didn't believe Ayton was a max player -- a value assessment that's been met with surprise elsewhere in the league.
A significant part of Ayton's development and maturity has centered around the relationship and trust that he's built with coach Monty Williams in their two seasons together, and that'll be tested should Ayton spend the season believing he's headed to restricted free agency Ayton blossomed under Williams, becoming the two-way force that the Suns imagined when selecting him No. 1 overall in the 2018 NBA Draft.
Ayton averaged 16.3 points, 10.3 rebounds and a block a game in third NBA season in 2020-2021. Among Ayton's playoff successes, according to ESPN's Stats and Information, he had the highest field goal percentage (66 percent) in NBA history in the postseason and shot 50 percent in 17 straight playoff games, trailing only Shaquille O'Neal (2006) for the longest in league history. Ay NBA Finals MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo to 53 percent shooting as the primary defender in Finals. Antetokounmpo shot 70 percent against rest of team.
Ayton and Paul's partnership was one of the most productive in the league a season ago, with Paul assisting on 143 Ayton baskets; only Golden State's Steph Curry and Draymond Green had more as a combination
Contract talks between Phoenix Suns and Deandre Ayton end without agreement, sources say
ADRIAN WOJNAROWSKI AND BRIAN WINDHORST3:35 PM ET4 Minute Read
Discussions on a rookie contract extension for Phoenix Suns center Deandre Ayton ended ahead of a Monday deadline with no agreement, perishing without the franchise ever honoring the 2018 No. 1 overall pick's expectation of a five-year maximum contract offer, sources told ESPN
Ayton, a key part of the Suns' run to the 2021 NBA Finals, held firm on wanting a full, five-year, max contract -- which would've been worth a guaranteed $172.5 million plus possible escalators -- but talks never progressed to the Suns making a formal offer on a max deal ahead of Monday's 6 p.m. ET deadline, sources told ESPN.
In recent weeks, Phoenix raised the concept of a shorter maximum contract deal -- perhaps over three or four years instead of the full five years -- but never formally made the offer or broached the idea again, sources said.
Phoenix now faces an uncertain future with Ayton. The franchise center is unhappy with the franchise's consistent stance to his representatives that the organization simply didn't foresee him as a max player -- regardless of which of his peers in the 2018 NBA Draft class earned max deals this offseason, sources said.
Ayton can enter restricted free agency next summer and sign an offer sheet elsewhere that would still allow the Suns' matching rights --- although it could be a four-year deal that includes an early termination after three years to become an unrestricted free agent. Ayton could also sign a qualifying offer to play out the 2022-2023 season and become an unrestricted free agent in 2023, which would risk the Suns losing a franchise cornerstone player for nothing.
Several of his 2018 NBA Draft classmates signed max deals, including Trae Young, Luka Doncic, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Michael Porter Jr. The Suns reached agreement with 2018 draft classmate, Mikal Bridges, on a four-year, $90 million extension on Sunday, a four-year, $43 million extension with guard Landry Shamet on Monday, sources told ESPN.
Many executives league-wide expected the Ayton max deal would be complete in short order this offseason, and now his possible emergence in the restricted free agent market could impact how team's navigate salary cap space next summer. Throughout the conversations, the Suns' stance had been consistently been the organization didn't believe Ayton was a max player -- a value assessment that's been met with surprise elsewhere in the league.
A significant part of Ayton's development and maturity has centered around the relationship and trust that he's built with coach Monty Williams in their two seasons together, and that'll be tested should Ayton spend the season believing he's headed to restricted free agency Ayton blossomed under Williams, becoming the two-way force that the Suns imagined when selecting him No. 1 overall in the 2018 NBA Draft.
Ayton averaged 16.3 points, 10.3 rebounds and a block a game in third NBA season in 2020-2021. Among Ayton's playoff successes, according to ESPN's Stats and Information, he had the highest field goal percentage (66 percent) in NBA history in the postseason and shot 50 percent in 17 straight playoff games, trailing only Shaquille O'Neal (2006) for the longest in league history. Ay NBA Finals MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo to 53 percent shooting as the primary defender in Finals. Antetokounmpo shot 70 percent against rest of team.
Ayton and Paul's partnership was one of the most productive in the league a season ago, with Paul assisting on 143 Ayton baskets; only Golden State's Steph Curry and Draymond Green had more as a combination
rightfultoefinger
All Star
Why is everyone blaming Sarver? I mean James Jones is the GM no? I’m sure if he thought Ayton was worth it, he’d offer it no? I mean it’s not like the Suns are going cheap here. They are paying other players.
You really thought the Heat were contenders going into last season?if a team that was just in the finals and bringing its core group back can't be called a contender in even the loosest terms then goddamn
James Jones isn't the one cutting the check or paying the luxury tax.
yeah, injuries fukked them up x shyt happens
not sure what that's gotta do with a finals team with everyone coming back NOT being a contender going into the next season but deflect for your boy i guess
steph_harden
Superstar
Get the fukk outta here
They gotta be trolling Ayton at this point. Shamet shouldnt even be in the league. That's how trash he is. Yet these dudes are paying him 14 milly a year
Ayton will be a restricted FA right? He should just tell the suns fukk off and hit the market.. Suns not gonna match
Suns will match. They probably didn’t wanna do 5 years $170M.
They aren’t going to lose him for nothing