Styles P Says That Jay-Z Never Reached The Level Of Lyricism Of The Notorious B.I.G.

Piff Perkins

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I guess. 2 different kind of songs. Nas' song was more emotional.

Not saying @boogers is doing it but I always felt this was a good example of how some people (especially in media) shyt on Nas while displaying their bias. In any other medium we understand similar settings doesn't mean one thing is just like another thing. Goodfellas and Casino are both mob films with similar themes...but they are NOT the same film. 1984 and Animal Farm are both dystopian satires by the same author....but they are NOT the same novel. Yet both these tracks contain inanimate objects and people act like it's the same or Nas bit it. One is more of a broad metaphor about gun violence with a bullet teaching the lesson. And the other features a gun as a living, breathing, emotional character from a 1st person perspective. Not the same thing lol. But if you hate Nas or want to discount his success you gotta shyt on the song. I remember Young Guru doing it AND saying Nas didn't come up with the hook on Gimme Yours within one minute in the same interview lmao. Brehs just gotta downplay Nas at every turn.
 
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Not saying @boogers is doing it but I always felt this was a good example of how some people (especially in media) shyt on Nas while displaying their bias. In any other medium we understand similar settings doesn't mean one thing is just like another thing. Goodfellas and Casino are both mob films with similar themes...but they are NOT the same film. 1984 and Animal Farm are both dystopian satires by the same author....but they are NOT the same novel. Yet both these tracks contain inanimate objects. One is more of a broad metaphor about gun violence with a bullet teaching the lesson. And the other features a gun as a living, breathing, emotional character from a 1st person perspective. Not the same thing lol. But if you hate Nas or want to discount his success you gotta shyt on the song. I remember Young Guru doing it AND saying Nas didn't come up with the hook on Gimme Yours within one minute in the same interview lmao. Brehs just gotta downplay Nas at every turn.
EXACTLY. I hate when people compare them and say he bit to try to downplay Nas when they not even the same type of songs. There's a reason rappers and producers felt amazed at I Gave You Power. And it wasn't because they never heard Stray Bullet which I'm sure most emcees and producers from NYC already heard at the time.
 

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Biggie is the greatest rapper of all-time
Rapper. Not lyricist. This is what i said in my initial post. Jay was just as good and better as a lyricist imo but Biggie was the better rapper. He had the "it" factor. On the flipside. This is what Pac fans have to go thru when people try to downplay him as a rapper compared to Biggie because he's not as good a lyricist as Biggie.
 

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I actually think it's kinda wild how Big can say out his own mouth that Jay is nicer than him, and nikkas in here will still debate it :russ:

The only nikka Big thought could fukk with him was 96 Hov. Deal with it. :manny:
 

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Just got to add BIG become wildly underrated as a lyricist because lyricism in these settings often gets reduced to things like rhyme schemes or slick talk with double meanings. Which are aspects. But BIG was so efficient and potent lyrically.

Good example being "I drop unexpectedly like bird shyt." Nothing complicated about that but it's a perfect description. Listening to a BIG song was like watching a movie.

Or when he said "ain't shyt changed, except the number after the dot on the Range" you knew exactly what he was talking about if you was into cars back then. Whereas Jay spent the whole outro on Imaginary Players explaining his "bigging up his brother" version of that bar.
 
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