Stunts, Blunts & Basketball: The 2013-14 New York Knicks Season Thread

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So it's okay to give a max contract to a player who missed majority of last season & hasn't proven anything in the league? Some of you would make some great gms. :heh:

How many PGs are averaging 16/8/4 in the league with the potential to do more? Overpaying Wall makes more sense because you're still paying for his prime. You're not paying for Melo's prime anymore, Denver got that for cheap.
 

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The problem is Melo isn't bron . So he's judged by him sometimes to a unfair degree I mean if bron is a all time great that's a rare player . we know a team of role players and good guys aren't winning a ring the best way for the Knicks to proceed is resign Melo , sign a rondo type player next season (2015) hope shump and /or thjr develop , chandler comes up medium at least in the playoffs . But the key is Melo we all saw how horrible the offense was without Melo whenever jr struggled yet they act like he's so easily replaceable and that kd or cp3 are coming through the door . Whatever people think of Melo he seems to be the player that bron has the most trouble with , we need a team That is good enough to give Melo a chance to pull a dirk and slay the dragon we have pieces just need them to work

You pretty much just touched on why Knicks fans may never appreciate Melo and why despite having Melo, Knicks fans still walk around pissy. Melo was never NY's first choice. Not even their 2nd if you wanna count the remote possibility of getting Wade. They just look at Melo and wish that was LeBron wearing a #6. I covered plenty in the city regarding the thirst for LeBron. I saw fathers and sons with handmade LeBron to NY shirts and sneakers and all this shyt. It was such a let down. Knicks fans walk around with the sports equivalent of blue balls. This coulda been Dwight, CP3, DWill, Bosh, Joe Johnson, it would have ended the same way. If Melo didn't already know what he was walking into, I'd feel so sorry for him.

In a way, it's history repeating itself. Knicks fans never truly appreciated Ewing because he wasn't Jordan and he wasn't Olajuwon, and he caught hell despite being homegrown.
 

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This isn't anywhere near history repeating itself.

The 90's Knicks were significantly better built than the current team. Better coach, better players, better results. Tht team had a chance to win a title during Ewings prime. This current Knicks team doesn't.
 

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We had typical Knicks luck in that the lock out was coming and so no one knew how the new CBA would turn out . Melo looked out for himself in a bad situation , it was a convergence of events coming together to mess with the Knicks

If Amare stayed healthy and was a 17ppg/8rpg guy, the Knicks would of made the 2nd round in 2011, might of fukked around and made the ECF in 2012.

So it's okay to give a max contract to a player who missed majority of last season & hasn't proven anything in the league? Some of you would make some great gms. :heh:

He's an above average pg, who possess elite quickness and hops, not too mention length. When he puts it together, he'll be Rondo w/ offense. Sure he's not a superstar, but he's 24 and hasn't hit his ceiling yet, you lock him up.
 

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Another thing is that the Knicks are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If you resign Melo, you're REALISTICALLY a ECF appearance team at best, even if you sign Rondo in 2015. Miami and BK got this year and maybe next, AND you have to deal with Indiana the years after.

On the other hand, if you don't sign Melo, you have to go out and tank. Like @Trip said, you better be stockpiling on picks, because the odds of you drafting a Russell Westbrook or James Harden are slim. Now if the Knicks tank, you guys will be pissed by year two of this plan, when you end up with nothing but 3rd option players on your team. Sure you can always package picks to get stars, but there aren't that many players you can likely get during trade. Outside of getting possibly DeMarcaus Cousins or maybe Anthony Davis in a 3+ years, what star players can you see the Knicks acquiring in trades?
 

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You pretty much just touched on why Knicks fans may never appreciate Melo and why despite having Melo, Knicks fans still walk around pissy. Melo was never NY's first choice. Not even their 2nd if you wanna count the remote possibility of getting Wade. They just look at Melo and wish that was LeBron wearing a #6. I covered plenty in the city regarding the thirst for LeBron. I saw fathers and sons with handmade LeBron to NY shirts and sneakers and all this shyt. It was such a let down. Knicks fans walk around with the sports equivalent of blue balls. This coulda been Dwight, CP3, DWill, Bosh, Joe Johnson, it would have ended the same way. If Melo didn't already know what he was walking into, I'd feel so sorry for him.

In a way, it's history repeating itself. Knicks fans never truly appreciated Ewing because he wasn't Jordan and he wasn't Olajuwon, and he caught hell despite being homegrown.
Very true . In most other cities they'd be worshipping Melo , here you got people saying he sucks even when he was on the tear that won him the scoring title and even sayin to bench Eli to tank for a new qb . This city as much as I love it drives me crazy
 

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That's easy. In a perfect world I'd love for Dolan to take a backseat, use whatever resources he has to find the best Basketball Operations/GM out there, pay him whatever he wants and give him full control over the team for 5 years. What'd you most likely see is the dumping of bad contracts, no more short sighted trades and ultimately building through the draft. If the time comes where you can sign a big named FA, obviously go for it. Melo at 30 isnt a max player. Let him tie up someone elses cap at 33 years old. The Knicks are not winning a title this year or next year with Carmelo Anthony, that's reality.

With the new CBA there's way more incentive for big names to stay with their current teams. You NEED to find your franchise player via the draft, and in order to do that you need draft picks. The Knicks dont have any.

Build for the future now. Lebron is human too, he's going to age. I'd rather have a leg up in the process rather than banking on Carmelo over the next 5 seasons.

No one can argue the Knicks have been run well since Dolan took over in 2000.

What's the last championship team that was built thru the draft? Has Melo even turned 29 yet? How do you know what he's gonna be at 30? And why exactly wouldn't he be? Just because he's 30?
 

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Another thing is that the Knicks are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If you resign Melo, you're REALISTICALLY a ECF appearance team at best, even if you sign Rondo in 2015. Miami and BK got this year and maybe next, AND you have to deal with Indiana the years after.

On the other hand, if you don't sign Melo, you have to go out and tank. Like @Trip said, you better be stockpiling on picks, because the odds of you drafting a Russell Westbrook or James Harden are slim. Now if the Knicks tank, you guys will be pissed by year two of this plan, when you end up with nothing but 3rd option players on your team. Sure you can always package picks to get stars, but there aren't that many players you can likely get during trade. Outside of getting possibly DeMarcaus Cousins or maybe Anthony Davis in a 3+ years, what star players can you see the Knicks acquiring in trades?
Ehh the bk part is where you lost me . Dwill is already hurt and they are relying on old aging players and injury prone players plus a rookie coach they aren't a lock to do anything I'd put the bulls above them easily .
 

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What's the last championship team that was built thru the draft? Has Melo even turned 29 yet? How do you know what he's gonna be at 30? And why exactly wouldn't he be? Just because he's 30?

2007 Spurs, and possibly the Thunder or the Pacers in a few years.
The point is to get as much draft picks/young players as possible, then when the opportunity presents itself, you go out and snag that superstar player through trade(using your draft picks or young players) or FA. Melo will be an effective player through his 30's, but this Knicks will never win a chip as constructed, that's why he said not to resign him for max money.
 

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What's the last championship team that was built thru the draft? Has Melo even turned 29 yet? How do you know what he's gonna be at 30? And why exactly wouldn't he be? Just because he's 30?
He doesn't even realize what he's saying is way more risky . The league is full of teams trying to land a superstar through the draft and missing !!why can we just waltz in and find this mystical basketball person he always mentions that guarantees hell draft a star ! He's just regurgitating analyst talking points .. Okc was the best run team in the league 2 seasons ago and smart not to pay harden now not so much and apparently they have a horrible coach . It's a crap shoot with the draft in a way you could hit and the pick is just good .
Melo is a scoring champ, all star and top 5 MVP candidate yet he's not a franchise player @trip?? Your worried about 33 as if he's showing signs of slowing down :what: it's a new age and players can be effective longer .
 

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2007 Spurs, and possibly the Thunder or the Pacers in a few years.
The point is to get as much draft picks/young players as possible, then when the opportunity presents itself, you go out and snag that superstar player through trade(using your draft picks or young players) or FA. Melo will be an effective player through his 30's, but this Knicks will never win a chip as constructed, that's why he said not to resign him for max money.
You can't mention teams that haven't won titles though come on man . You can only really list one team
 

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2007 Spurs, and possibly the Thunder or the Pacers in a few years.
The point is to get as much draft picks/young players as possible, then when the opportunity presents itself, you go out and snag that superstar player through trade(using your draft picks or young players) or FA. Melo will be an effective player through his 30's, but this Knicks will never win a chip as constructed, that's why he said not to resign him for max money.

Naw, not possibly. I'm only dealing in reality. That's why I said championship as I knew someone would try to bring up OKC. (You blew me with that Indiana tho. :whoo: Drink much kool-aid? )They haven't won shyt and they didn't let the core of the team that made it to the finals stick together. And Russy is hurt. But mainly...they haven't won shyt. Which is what I asked.
2007 Spurs. Ok yes, they drafted Tim Duncan after tanking the previous year before he came. They got lucky that no. 37 pick Manu turned into something. Tony Parker was a low 1st rounder who they were prepared to throw in the bushes if JKidd didn't resign with the Nets at the time. As we all know they panned out but only TD was expected to be anything. Now I ask you....who else on that roster did they DRAFT that was of any significance??
 

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What's the last championship team that was built thru the draft? Has Melo even turned 29 yet? How do you know what he's gonna be at 30? And why exactly wouldn't he be? Just because he's 30?

The new CBA gives way more incentive for draft picks to stay with their respective teams for their second contract.

Who's in a better spot right now, the Pacers or Knicks?
 
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