Stunts, Blunts & Basketball: The 2013-14 New York Knicks Season Thread

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I read about the NBA every day. I read about the Knicks, CBA, advanced stats, coaching strategies, plays every day. I put Boogie in there as an example thoughtlessly without remembering the article I read just yesterday about them re-signing him. That was an error.

@I.V. and @No_bammer_weed you're right to say that it's a team game. By top-level talent, I mean the kind of situation that the Grizzlies or Spurs build through drafting and signing free agent. I don't mean some Super-Team, which is usually the exception in the NBA and leaves you capped out in the end, with a limited window for winning (see: Brooklyn). It's not about replacing a certain number of points. It's about creating a team flexible, humble, talented and consistent enough to win. Carmelo Anthony, for all of his talents, has proven time and again that he is not that player. He wishes he could make the adjustments Paul Pierce made or that KG made but he has been paired with top-level players and shown an unwillingness to sacrifice for team chemistry. Multiple times.

You want to know what KG's winning percentage was before he teamed up with Pierce? 51% But that number doesn't tell the whole story. Because it's just a number. Here are the win totals from each season:

26/82 32%
40/82 48%
43/82 52%
25/50 50%
50/82 61%
45/82 54%
51/82 62%
47/82 57%
57/82 69%
44/82 54%
33/82 40%
30/82 36%

He led some pretty sub-par talent level teams to 50 win seasons. The best complementary player he ever had beside him was who? Wally Szczerbiak? Tom Gugliotta? Trent Hassell? He was/is a primetime player with ANY team. Carmelo Anthony is a very good -- fukk that, EXCEPTIONAL -- offensive player. He is nowhere NEAR what KG was. On any team.

Paul Pierce's win PCT% in 15 years with the Celtics was 53%. But again, doesn't tell the whole story. As soon as he had high caliber teammates, check how he adjusted his game so that the TEAM WIN PCT% sky-rocketed. He made sacrifices, even as a league giant in scoring, to get KG the ball, to find Ray Allen open. He scored less and did so efficiently.


19/50 38%
35/82 43%
36/82 44%
49/82 60%
44/82 54%
36/82 44%
45/82 55%
33/82 40%
24/82 29%
66/82 80%
62/82 76%
50/82 61%
56/82 68%
39/66 59%
41/81 51%

Carmelo Anthony cannot hold a match to that APPROACH because he hasn't really made sacrifices for the team, yet. Those two players are great examples because they clearly had top-level talent that wasn't translating. They didn't come to other situations and mesh right away or concede everything about their games, but they did adjust to WIN MORE. As soon as they had better teammates, both improved their entire teams. Carmelo has been spoiled by good situations in Denver and not made the most of TEAM results. That's fact. Whether you are entertained by him or not, he's had a decade to prove whether or not he can adjust to the team concept to win more playoff games and hasn't. He's lucky that the internet is the ONLY PLACE he is in the same conversation as two clear Hall-Of-Fame players. One MVP and one Finals MVP.

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You cant really have appropriate conservations with people like you, because you're so constrained by your confirmation biases. As such you will remain hostile to a basic set of facts, and violently move goal posts whenever it suits you. Here you boldly use a lack of talent among teammates as an explanation for KG and PP's complete lack of success for years, but wont extend the same to Melo. Feel free to point to any hall of fame talent in their prime that Melo has been afforded the luxury of playing with, or anyone close for that matter.

And with such, you are aggressively hostile to a the basic fact that Melo has been a winning ball player his whole career. Let me get this straight: the national champion, the guy who helped Denver experience an historic level of improvement his rookie year (first rookie to lead a playoff team in scoring; previously 17-65 the year before w/o any other significant improvements), the guy that overall turned an awful no-acct denver organization for close to a decade into a perennial contender virtually overnight, the guy that led Denver to a western conference final in highly competitive conference w/ the next best player being Billips (whoops there goes your "adjusting" argument"), and the guy that just led the Knicks to its best season in 20 years somehow doesnt understand the team concept, and/or knows how to win.

Because of your fact-free analytic, you are able to construct this narrative of Melo being a loser chucker out of thin air, while continuing to massage that ridiculous argument. You dont care about reality
 
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