Street Harassment [TW]

[CriticalThought]

You sound like you're rationalizing street harassment tbh. And it's disgusting.

No, he's not. He's just bringing up valid points everyone seems to want to dodge...the big picture (if that's the point he's making). The War on Drugs wasn't against drugs it was against Black people. The War on Terror isn't against terrorists, but against muslims. So logically why would anyone expect this War against Street Harassment to be against street harassers and not ALL men regardless? What standard of evidence, what sort of punitive actions...it leaves a lot to be asked. So men are expected to have more weight come down on us all because of them? Where does that leave freedom of expression or free speech for that matter? I know people want to play it off, but like the saying goes, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". There are legitimate issues that people don't want to discuss...I can understand why. It's not clear cut like everyone wants to make it out to be.

I saw that thread and I don't know if it was him but he used his thought process against him. And it was sound. Why should a woman not be spoken to in the street but the club is different? Just because she's dressed up, drinking, dancing doesn't mean she wants to be approached. Is that not logical? Absolutely.

It's not about men not understanding, it's honestly women not understanding the implications for all men down the road (be we know certain groups will be targeted). I wouldn't support legislation like this unless all measures have shown to be ineffective. It's nothing personal, I didn't support the Patriot Act after 9/11, I don't support the TPP or any other type of legislation people try to draft in the dark, quick fast or reactionary legislation based off fear. It's a slippery slope that exists that people don't want to acknowledge.

People could use street harassment to get Christians or any other group preaching on a street. Have a rally saying "Black lives matter" and some hater uses street harassment to shut it down. Will it happen, who knows. Could it happen...absolutely. This issue isn't clear cut.

 

[Matt504]

No, he's not. He's just bringing up valid points everyone seems to want to dodge...the big picture (if that's the point he's making). The War on Drugs wasn't against drugs it was against Black people. The War on Terror isn't against terrorists, but against muslims. So logically why would anyone expect this War against Street Harassment to be against street harassers and not ALL men regardless? What standard of evidence, what sort of punitive actions...it leaves a lot to be asked. So men are expected to have more weight come down on us all because of them? Where does that leave freedom of expression or free speech for that matter? I know people want to play it off, but like the saying goes, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". There are legitimate issues that people don't want to discuss...I can understand why. It's not clear cut like everyone wants to make it out to be.

I saw that thread and I don't know if it was him but he used his thought process against him. And it was sound. Why should a woman not be spoken to in the street but the club is different? Just because she's dressed up, drinking, dancing doesn't mean she wants to be approached. Is that not logical? Absolutely.

It's not about men not understanding, it's honestly women not understanding the implications for all men down the road (be we know certain groups will be targeted). I wouldn't support legislation like this unless all measures have shown to be ineffective. It's nothing personal, I didn't support the Patriot Act after 9/11, I don't support the TPP or any other type of legislation people try to draft in the dark, quick fast or reactionary legislation based off fear. It's a slippery slope that exists that people don't want to acknowledge.

People could use street harassment to get Christians or any other group preaching on a street. Have a rally saying "Black lives matter" and some hater uses street harassment to shut it down. Will it happen, who knows. Could it happen...absolutely. This issue isn't clear cut.

tl;dr

"this might not end well for Black men, so women need to really rethink this whole street harassment thing, your safety isn't worth making things tougher for Black men in the future because that's who will be targeted"

 

[philmonroe]

No, he's not. He's just bringing up valid points everyone seems to want to dodge...the big picture (if that's the point he's making). The War on Drugs wasn't against drugs it was against Black people. The War on Terror isn't against terrorists, but against muslims. So logically why would anyone expect this War against Street Harassment to be against street harassers and not ALL men regardless? What standard of evidence, what sort of punitive actions...it leaves a lot to be asked. So men are expected to have more weight come down on us all because of them? Where does that leave freedom of expression or free speech for that matter? I know people want to play it off, but like the saying goes, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions". There are legitimate issues that people don't want to discuss...I can understand why. It's not clear cut like everyone wants to make it out to be.

I saw that thread and I don't know if it was him but he used his thought process against him. And it was sound. Why should a woman not be spoken to in the street but the club is different? Just because she's dressed up, drinking, dancing doesn't mean she wants to be approached. Is that not logical? Absolutely.

It's not about men not understanding, it's honestly women not understanding the implications for all men down the road (be we know certain groups will be targeted). I wouldn't support legislation like this unless all measures have shown to be ineffective. It's nothing personal, I didn't support the Patriot Act after 9/11, I don't support the TPP or any other type of legislation people try to draft in the dark, quick fast or reactionary legislation based off fear. It's a slippery slope that exists that people don't want to acknowledge.

People could use street harassment to get Christians or any other group preaching on a street. Have a rally saying "Black lives matter" and some hater uses street harassment to shut it down. Will it happen, who knows. Could it happen...absolutely. This issue isn't clear cut.

Thank you and bold is the point I was making about that other thread. Dude only wants to talk to girls when its a club because he's less likely to be rejected but like was pointed out a lot of girls goto the club just to "dance" with friends so why is it ok then but not in the street? A fellow "street harasser" trying to tell other "street harassers" they bad. The nerve and it is big picture because like I said I will never say clear cut stuff is wrong but co signing small stuff everybody can't even agree on lie talking to girls in public hell naw.

 

[CriticalThought]

tl;dr

"this might not end well for Black men, so women need to really rethink this whole street harassment thing, your safety isn't worth making things tougher for Black men in the future because that's who will be targeted"

Pretty much yeah. Just as much as I'd be against black men lobbying for legislation that will target every black woman in America. But black men don't do that type of stuff so I don't have to worry about it.

Be used as political pawns and be the face of new age censorship laws.

Nice to see you had no argument to counter what I said, nor produce any paperwork showing that it couldn't happen.

Patriot Act, War on Drugs and Terror are all imaginary.

Legislation has never been drafted to disproportionately target black people.

For the sake of civil discussion if all you can do is "", please kept that elementary shyt to yourself.

 

[Raava]

IF you can't participate in the discussion with out name calling and calling one of us is stupid about our opinion of something that happens to us, you can GTFO. I am not even strict like that, but this is a serious thread and this should be a safe place we can talk about it and not come at sideways because of it. So if you do that in this thread depending you will be warned then gone.

 

[Matt504]

Pretty much yeah. Just as much as I'd be against black men lobbying for legislation that will target every black woman in America. But black men don't do that type of stuff so I don't have to worry about it.

Be used as political pawns and be the face of new age censorship laws.

Nice to see you had no argument to counter what I said, nor produce any paperwork showing that it couldn't happen.

Patriot Act, War on Drugs and Terror are all imaginary.

Legislation have never been drafter to disproportionately target black people.

For the sake of civil discussion if all you can do is "", please kept that elementary shyt to yourself.

Of course I have no counterargument, your argument is centered around men's best interest in the face of women being harassed, but I'm supposed to overlook their harassment and "see the bigger picture" because I could be affected in the future while women are being harassed in the NOW.



some of you really need help or legislation, the more likely option.

 

[philmonroe]

IF you can't participate in the discussion with out name calling and calling one of us is stupid about aour opinion of something that happens to us, you can GTFO. I am not even strict like that, but this is a serious thread and this should be a safe place we can talk about it and not come at sideways because of it. ISo if you do that in this thread depending you will be warned then gone.

Like I said in that pm don't be hypocritical because being called a street harasser when I've detailed how I operate when talking to women is name calling too. Be consistent and not emotional that's whats fair. Also who has said anything somebody claimed happened to them was stupid? Making up stuff isn't cool my beef has always been about the whole if you talk to women on the street that's street harassment. Nobody said anything about any personal matter regarding a poster so miss me with that stuff.

 

[CriticalThought]

Of course I have no counterargument, your argument is centered around men's best interest in the face of women being harassed, but I'm supposed to overlook their harassment and "see the bigger picture" because I could be affected in the future while women are being harassed in the NOW.



some of you really need help or legislation, the more likely option.

You're right those laws will never be used against black women EVER .

My argument about legislation that will be used against ALL black people is selfish.

But you're right, just like you were right about your analysis on Dylan Roof right. It wasn't a race war it was a white demon. You were proved wrong on that one too.

 

[Raava]

Like I said in that pm don't be hypocritical because being called a street harasser when I've detailed how I operate when talking to women is name calling too. Be consistent and not emotional that's whats fair. Also who has said anything somebody claimed happened to them was stupid? Making up stuff isn't cool my beef has always been about the whole if you talk to women on the street that's street harassment. Nobody said anything about any personal matter regarding a poster so miss me with that stuff.

First of all, you won't tell me how to mod. You have been name calling and everything else since you been in here and you have been the only one. Someone making an observation about you sounding and doing just what was brought up earlier in this thread about a street harrasser is not name calling. There are posters who disagree with others, those that even agree with you and haven't done that. Thread is here for a reason. It is so we can talk and not have the typical TLR BS which you brought with you. So you can either adhere to what I posted or leave the thread

 

[Matt504]

You're right those laws will never be used against black women EVER .

My argument about legislation that will be used against ALL black people is selfish.

But you're right, just like you were right about your analysis on Dylan Roof right. It wasn't a race war it was a white demon. You were proved wrong on that one too.

If Black men can't stop harassing Black women then ultimately the blame of any legislation that's passed to affect "ALL Black people", will be at the feet of Black men who can't seem to stop harassing women.

and for fun's sake, can you point me in the direction of my "analysis" on Dylann Roof?

 

[philmonroe]

First of all, you won't tell me how to mod. You have been name calling and everything else since you been in here and you have been the only one. Someone making an observation about you sounding and doing just what was brought up earlier in this thread about a street harrasser is not name calling. There are posters who disagree with others, those that even agree with you and haven't done that. Thread is here for a reason. It is so we can talk and not have the typical TLR BS which you brought with you. So you can either adhere to what I posted or leave the thread

I didn't tell you how to mod. Just like you say later down the line in your post I had an observation and spoke on it. Don't let mod power get you all hype. Calling me a street harasser is name calling by the textbook definition period. I've already adhered and said I would 20minutes ago in the pm so no need to go showing off power tripping on me on something that has already been agreed upon

 

[Elle Driver]

Of course I have no counterargument, your argument is centered around men's best interest in the face of women being harassed, but I'm supposed to overlook their harassment and "see the bigger picture" because I could be affected in the future while women are being harassed in the NOW.



some of you really need help or legislation, the more likely option.

Black women's lives don't matter.

Quite frankly it's not even harassment, it's assault. Do these dudes going back not realizing that the leading cause of death of black women in this country is due to violence? How many of those street harassers just simply follow you? What about the guy in the car? What if he tried to rape her, then kill her? That's just another black women gone to violence. Oh but not all black men are like that and it shouldn't be discussed. Within our community yes the fukk it should be discussed when your life is put in danger because men think you owe them a hello, a response, or even acknowledgement and if you don't you're being "rude". I'm nice to these men because I FEAR THEM, just like all women do. We ain't trying to get shot because we didn't acknowledge a nikka existence. fukk do we even owe you that for? Do we belong to you or something? A woman doesn't owe you shyt, and she doesn't even owe you eye contact. Who gives a fukk if she gives you air? The fact that y'all don't see street assault/harassment because y'all don't do it is a fukking problem. Black women have to take the blame for other black women all the time. I take up for black men all the fukking time. Why can't y'all just be honest and say it's a fukking problem and it needs to be, at the lowest level discussed?

 

[Raava]

I didn't tell you how to mod. Just like you say later down the line in your post I had an observation and spoke on it. Don't let mod power get you all hype. Calling me a street harasser is name calling by the textbook definition period. I've already adhered and said I would 20minutes ago in the pm so no need to go showing off power tripping on me on something that has already been agreed upon

My mod position doesn't have me hype at all. Because I actually modded makes me hype now? I said that because you aren't saying anything you already said in the PM what are you trying to prove here? Be considerate and not emotional is not telling me what I should do? I didn't address you publicly because its not about that. Next quote you will be banned for derailment, you have a pm already talking about the same exact thing. If I was being emotional I would have just banned you and not responded to you at all. Yet and still you are in the thread, you are in the pm telling me what won't rock with you and how you feel. But I am the emotional one? No buddy its you. Now, I said what I had to say I won't address this in the thread again. You can continue to PM/harass me if you like but I only give 1-2 courtesy responses to warnings and bannings.

Edit: is this what you do to women on the street? They do something you don't like or agree with you are going to make them see it your way?

No wonder they called you a harasser

 

[Matt504]

Black women's lives don't matter.

Quite frankly it's not even harassment, it's assault. Do these dudes going back not realizing that the leading cause of death of black women in this country is due to violence? How many of those street harassers just simply follow you? What about the guy in the car? What if he tried to rape her, then kill her? That's just another black women gone to violence. Oh but not all black men are like that and it shouldn't be discussed. Within our community yes the fukk it should be discussed when your life is put in danger because men think you owe them a hello, a response, or even acknowledgement and if you don't you're being "rude". I'm nice to these men because I FEAR THEM, just like all women do. We ain't trying to get shot because we didn't acknowledge a nikka existence. fukk do we even owe you that for? Do we belong to you or something? A woman doesn't owe you shyt, and she doesn't even owe you eye contact. Who gives a fukk if she gives you air? The fact that y'all don't see street assault/harassment because y'all don't do it is a fukking problem. Black women have to take the blame for other black women all the time. I take up for black men all the fukking time. Why can't y'all just be honest and say it's a fukking problem and it needs to be, at the lowest level discussed?

a lot of Black men have a lot in common with white people who "don't see color" or racism because they're not the ones doing it, it's sad tbh.

 

[Elle Driver]

a lot of Black men have a lot in common with white people who "don't see color" or racism because they're not the ones doing it, it's sad tbh.

I wouldn't go that far, but a lot of black men don't see black women's issues as their issues. They think our collective issue is racism, they don't understand how gender oppression greatly affects black women because our issues intersect, we're black and women. That's why I try to limit discussions outside of the realm of black women because it's nauseating.