Street Harassment [TW]

[philmonroe]

My mod position doesn't have me hype at all. Because I actually modded makes me hype now? I said that because you aren't saying anything you already said in the PM what are you trying to prove here? Be considerate and not emotional is not telling me what I should do? I didn't address you publicly because its not about that. Next quote you will be banned for derailment, you have a pm already talking about the same exact thing. If I was being emotional I would have just banned you and not responded to you at all. Yet and still you are in the thread, you are in the pm telling me what won't rock with you and how you feel. But I am the emotional one? No buddy its you. Now, I said what I had to say I won't address this in the thread again. You can continue to PM/harass me if you like but I only give 1-2 courtesy responses to warnings and bannings.

Edit: is this what you do to women on the street? They do something you don't like or agree with you are going to make them see it your way?

No wonder they called you a harasser

Regarding the edit I've already said what I do and its worked on more than enough good looking girls with stuff to offer so your jokes mean nothing. It would be harsh if it was true regarding being a harasser but I win some I lose some and already said as much. I can't make anybody see anything anyway doesn't mean I won't speak my mind since this is a messageboard. I don't care about them calling me that since cats on here don't know me and it don't stop me from getting what I want anyway. I just used that to show how the "name calling" thing wasn't being applied across the board.

 

[CriticalThought]

If Black men can't stop harassing Black women then ultimately the blame of any legislation that's passed to affect "ALL Black people", will be at the feet of Black men who can't seem to stop harassing women.

and for fun's sake, can you point me in the direction of my "analysis" on Dylann Roof?

For starters so now it's only Black men now? Your is showing. Last time I looked it's an issue that negatively impacts women of all races as well as socio-economic status. I'm not naive like you. I know those laws won't be fairly applied. I know who's gonna get the brunt of it.
How do you know you what the Black community is capable of when your first response is to call white daddy?

So now we're gonna collectively punish all Black men for starters, then allow that legislation to creep up and hit women and children next huh? Sounds like you're an Israeli talking about those Palestinians. We're gonna punish everyone for what a small minority of men do?

I don't have to. You typed it, and you were wrong. You were wrong when you typed it, you've been proved wrong by time. He was trying to foment a race war that you claimed another poster didn't know what they were talking about.

Harassment is already against the law. What makes Street Harassment different from regular harassment?

So pretty much give us a blank check and tell you what we put in it later. No.

But if the people arguing for these laws can't explain the ins/outs on a message board then good luck trying to pass that into law.

 

[wet landscapes]

Black women's lives don't matter.

Quite frankly it's not even harassment, it's assault. Do these dudes going back not realizing that the leading cause of death of black women in this country is due to violence? How many of those street harassers just simply follow you? What about the guy in the car? What if he tried to rape her, then kill her? That's just another black women gone to violence. Oh but not all black men are like that and it shouldn't be discussed. Within our community yes the fukk it should be discussed when your life is put in danger because men think you owe them a hello, a response, or even acknowledgement and if you don't you're being "rude". I'm nice to these men because I FEAR THEM, just like all women do. We ain't trying to get shot because we didn't acknowledge a nikka existence. fukk do we even owe you that for? Do we belong to you or something? A woman doesn't owe you shyt, and she doesn't even owe you eye contact. Who gives a fukk if she gives you air? The fact that y'all don't see street assault/harassment because y'all don't do it is a fukking problem. Black women have to take the blame for other black women all the time. I take up for black men all the fukking time. Why can't y'all just be honest and say it's a fukking problem and it needs to be, at the lowest level discussed?

RAW

 

[Matt504]

For starters so now it's only Black men now? Your is showing. Last time I looked it's an issue that negatively impacts women of all races as well as socio-economic status. I'm not naive like you. I know those laws won't be fairly applied. I know who's gonna get the brunt of it.
How do you know you what the Black community is capable of when your first response is to call white daddy?

So now we're gonna collectively punish all Black men for starters, then allow that legislation to creep up and hit women and children next huh? Sounds like you're an Israeli talking about those Palestinians. We're gonna punish everyone for what a small minority of men do?

I don't have to. You typed it, and you were wrong. You were wrong when you typed it, you've been proved wrong by time. He was trying to foment a race war that you claimed another poster didn't know what they were talking about.

Harassment is already against the law. What makes Street Harassment different from regular harassment?

So pretty much give us a blank check and tell you what we put in it later. No.

But if the people arguing for these laws can't explain the ins/outs on a message board then good luck trying to pass that into law.

You can start by proposing alternatives for women being street harassed if more legislation isn't the answer.

and you won't post receipts about the "dylann analysis" because you'll be proven wrong, let's have a look at how the exchange in that thread went and how it matches up to what you're accusing me of saying.

But you're right, just like you were right about your analysis on Dylan Roof right. It wasn't a race war it was a white demon. You were proved wrong on that one too.

exchange:

Powers that be want a race war

fukk outta here with this dumb ass white supremacist rhetoric. this isn't the 'elites' fault, this isn't the media's fault, this isn't Al Sharpton's fault, a white demon is responsible.

now where exactly was I proven wrong, where did I suggest that "it wasn't a race war" when I was probably the first poster on the coli to link to his manifesto?

 

[CriticalThought]

You can start by proposing alternatives for women being street harassed if more legislation isn't the answer.

and you won't post receipts about the "dylann analysis" because you'll be proven wrong, let's have a look at how the exchange in that thread went and how it matches up to what you're accusing me of saying.




exchange:




now where exactly was I proven wrong, where did I suggest that "it wasn't a race war" when I was probably the first poster on the coli to link to his manifesto?

For starters keep white daddy out of the equation. He's not in it for your welfare, they're in it for themselves. If it's a problem like posters claim, then why not get the Church involved? 4-5 older black women would do more to combat than anything. "Black men" will see those women, and they see women who reminds them of their mothers and grandmothers. I don't believe they're lascivious beasts waiting to pounce every chance. A lot of these people have been improperly socialized...that's it. They're operating off of what they've been fed.

Have them explain how what they're doing isn't conducive to their end goal. Have those older women teach them...it'd go way further than calling white supremacy for backup. Older black men speaking to younger folks about the harm stuff like this does to people. Ask them what they would do if that was their sister, mom, aunt or daughter being talked to like that. We all know how that goes, he hears it, he's going down there to either fight or kill. But I know...they're beasts that can't be tamed or talked to or reasoned with right? Community policing works.

You have gays trying to slip gay sex techniques to little kids but you can't start a program and introduce it to schools? A lot of older people are set, but the younger ones aren't. Start in elementary school, and definitely middle school, high school and college. Hell after-school and summer programs also.That'd go way further than trying to criminalize black men and throwing them into the system which seems to be the only thing a lot of you all want. It doesn't debilitate their life and it will save millions...but maybe a lot of you all want that.

Start with that instead of figuring more ways to thrown black men into the system using any excuse possible. It's ridiculous I'm the only one you've asked that to, and I'm the only one who actually gave a practical common sense solutions to the problem. Strange. There should be at least 10 different approaches to tackle it, yet there's only me. How is it possible?

Pretty telling that I'm the only one who actually gave examples of things that could/would work after 3 pages. Yet all these people claim to be attacked but no solution from them. Hell, that's pathetic. Will it magically change everything overnight...no. But it'll guarantee that the cycle breaks. 2 examples more than what I've seen anyone else propose except calling the white man.

Who invented American racism historically?The Natives? No...rich whites to keep poor white and blacks from coming together. The "elites" that you claim bear no responsibility are the ones who got Natives damn near eradicated. Who allowed and proposed legislation to take people's land? Enslave others? It damn sure wasn't the working class whites. Hell poor whites couldn't even vote back then for a time. Only rich/educated landowning whites...they were the elite. So yes, the elites did do this and keep people divided as always.

The media not responsible? Everyone knows I don't fukk with Obama, but you're going to sit there an honestly exonerate media like FOX news (coincidentally owned by elites..wow), Breitbart and the rest? Claiming he's a terrorist, secret muslim, Eric Holder grand commander of the Black Panther Army coming for white America with plans of destroying America for the last 7 years. Guess I'm making all that up too.

I'll let Sharpton cook.

So now we're gonna pretend Roof wasn't influenced by groups like Fox news,white supremacist/nationalist type rhetoric? It's already come out he was into the CCC-white supremacist group. Flags of Rhodesia and South Africa was a fluke right? If only he hadn't been watching all that damn MSNBC right? I read it off of Napoleon's contribution.. But some high school drop out kills black people in a church and want to say it was a demon. Not the sites he visited, or the information he digested it's because he's a demon. Right. Pretty telling he chose that church to do it at. Not to mention how convenient it ties back to Haiti...pretty big coincidence.

So yes, it is the white elite's fault they started and perpetuated that shyt up until today. It was the media's fault for blasting anti-Obama rhetoric for every damn thing under the sun knowing damn well what type of reaction they wanted to elicit from scared whites. He hit every white supremacist talking point but it's still on him huh? No...it's because he was a demon. That's too damn simplistic to be taken serious.

 

[Fade Runner 2049]

You can start by proposing alternatives for women being street harassed if more legislation isn't the answer.

and you won't post receipts about the "dylann analysis" because you'll be proven wrong, let's have a look at how the exchange in that thread went and how it matches up to what you're accusing me of saying.




exchange:




now where exactly was I proven wrong, where did I suggest that "it wasn't a race war" when I was probably the first poster on the coli to link to his manifesto?

Wut

 

[Tim Dripcan]

 

[Giselle]

I disagree with her statements (1&4 the part about frequency) because she has no proof. She needs proof before she goes around saying things like that. I think she said it for faves & retweets.

 

[Ashley Banks]

Black women's lives don't matter.

Quite frankly it's not even harassment, it's assault. Do these dudes going back not realizing that the leading cause of death of black women in this country is due to violence? How many of those street harassers just simply follow you? What about the guy in the car? What if he tried to rape her, then kill her? That's just another black women gone to violence. Oh but not all black men are like that and it shouldn't be discussed. Within our community yes the fukk it should be discussed when your life is put in danger because men think you owe them a hello, a response, or even acknowledgement and if you don't you're being "rude". I'm nice to these men because I FEAR THEM, just like all women do. We ain't trying to get shot because we didn't acknowledge a nikka existence. fukk do we even owe you that for? Do we belong to you or something? A woman doesn't owe you shyt, and she doesn't even owe you eye contact. Who gives a fukk if she gives you air? The fact that y'all don't see street assault/harassment because y'all don't do it is a fukking problem. Black women have to take the blame for other black women all the time. I take up for black men all the fukking time. Why can't y'all just be honest and say it's a fukking problem and it needs to be, at the lowest level discussed?

Sadly, this is the truth. I said something similar in the thread about incest/molestation. Not making black men look bad is more important than our safety. We cant even talk about it online without it being a problem. We're supposed to just shut up and deal with it.

 

[Raava]

Sadly, this is the truth. I said something similar in the thread about incest/molestation. Not making black men look bad is more important than our safety. We cant even talk about it online without it being a problem. We're supposed to just shut up and deal with it.

You even have people pretending to be females online to down play the problem

 

[PlainSight]

 

[iBrowse]

smh

 

[iBrowse]

Thread is very telling.

 

[Raava]

The idea is that listening to "feminists" and doing what they want leads to the "feminization of men" - I hear this term all the time and I don't quite understand it. I don't understand how relating better to women as a whole is an erosion to my manhood. It's amazing how everything nowadays - particularly feminism and homosexuality - is somehow an attempt to feminize men (black men in particular). Even now, I'm doing a disservice to the topic at hand - it's actually about women and their struggle with street harassment, and I'm literally talking about men . As an aside, I'm not sure how my speaking up is helping right now because nobody has really listened to me...

But at the topic itself, I find that when women talk about these incidents happening to them, there is always someone that minimizes it's importance and makes little of it. This is something I noticed a lot on twitter as well as occasionally in real life. It is similar to the Bill Cosby situation - only after there was proof he did what he did, that was when it was taken more seriously. Just that 30-40 women just happened to be lying. It's that perception of "she must be lying" or "she should have done", "she should have etc" - that leads to victim blaming, and ultimately lends quite a big of credence to the theory that there is indeed a rape culture, as much as that is something that men would never want to admit.

I think it was because for so long, those issues did matter and people don't like change. Some people's reaction to change is to feel they are under attack and get defensive. Wanting respect and to be treated like a human being does not mean Treat me like a man, and/or disrespect me to teach me a lesson for speaking out. It’s petty and childish. It's a jump to the extreme if anything is said.

People are also self-centered, when you have control it is hard to realize an issue and easy to dismiss things that don't affect you. Same goes for white people and racism. I agree there are certain things afoot to feminize Black men, but Black women caring about their issues and wanting support is not one of them. That is the big deal. The lack of support when black women have always been there to support any issue for black men, even putting ourselves in harm’s way to do so. But out of fear of what might possibly happen we don't deserve support at all, that is cowardice and excuses. Most of us in here aren't even talking about legislation we are just asking for more men to hold other accountable. You speaking up regardless is helping because you are showing support even if the men and women have been conditioned to think that is acceptable and don't know their worth.

I minimizing is also a defense mechanism too if you don't acknowledge it then you have no responsibility and don't have to do anything. A lot of men’s reaction to rape is automatic victim blaming. Yes there are women who lie and them. That is disgusting and takes away from real victims. But the attitude now is don't believe a rape allegation unless you see a video if not she is lying. That is from men and women, it does, like you said breed rape culture. I didn't and still don't believe all of the Cosby victims but that is for another thread. It’s hard a rape allegation can destroy an innocent man, but victim blaming from the gate has to stop. Men have no clue about what a woman goes through and they should stop trying to tell a woman how she should feel and react to things they know nothing about.

 

[Mr Coli]

man i hate dusty ass lame nikkas, I apologize to yall bw, yall deserve so much better. Please don't think you're alone and that we as bm don't care about yall or that we put any problems yall have to the side as if it is not important.