Stop with the STEVE NASH disrespect
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
The ultimate irony is that y'all keep proving my point, acting like the comparison is an insult to Nash....that multiple people would scream foul to that, it's proof positive that Nash is being overrated, and that putting him in his proper place is NOT disrespect
up to their year 29 season Paul George is far and away the more accomplished player between the two
PG
6X Allstar
5X All NBA(including a 1st team)
4X All Defensive Team (including multiple 1st teams)
multiple conference finals runs (beat by Prime Bron on a superteam since "bu bu but Nash had to play against Tim Duncan like pretty much every great player did at some point in that era" keeps getting brought up as a excuse and moral victory)
Nash at the point PG is currently in career
2X Allstar
2X All NBA
on what merit are y'all acting like Paul George is beneath a comparison to Steve Nash?
Why you stop the comparison at 29
After that season, Nash got :
- 5 All-NBA teams (3 times in the first)
- 5 All-Star appearances
- 2 MVPs
- 5 seasons leading the league in assists per game
- 3 Conference Finals
HE didnt devalue anything though. You idiots still act like Steve Nash gave himself the MVP or some shyt.
Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
Why you stop the comparison at 29
After that season, Nash got :
- 5 All-NBA teams (3 times in the first)
- 5 All-Star appearances
- 2 MVPs
- 5 seasons leading the league in assists per game
- 3 Conference Finals
Because Paul George is currently 29 years old lol...barring injury he’s gonna continue on that same path, and was well on his way to another deep playoff run this season...where he has a chance to do the only thing that would put separation between the tier of players they’re on, win a championship
As fate would have it that also ends up being Nash’s accomplishments before the D’Antoni inflationary period, which is interesting all itself to look at the before and after
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
Because Paul George is currently 29 years old lol...barring injury he’s gonna continue on that same path, and was well on his way to another deep playoff run this season...where he has a chance to do the only thing that would put separation between the tier of players they’re on, win a championship
As fate would have it that also ends up being Nash’s accomplishments before the D’Antoni inflationary period, which is interesting all itself to look at the before and after
Time will tell, but that shows precisely why the comparison makes no sense (without even mentioning the obvious fact that they play two different positions and have no similarities whatsoever to their games and roles), as Nash was a late bloomer. One will see how many accolades PG gets, pretty sure he's not getting MVP as he's playing next to Kawhi. Also Nash was an All-Star and All-NBA (3rd team) player who made the WCF before 'Antoni.
The ultimate irony is that y'all keep proving my point, acting like the comparison is an insult to Nash....that multiple people would scream foul to that, it's proof positive that Nash is being overrated, and that putting him in his proper place is NOT disrespect
up to their year 29 season Paul George is far and away the more accomplished player between the two
PG
6X Allstar
5X All NBA(including a 1st team)
4X All Defensive Team (including multiple 1st teams)
multiple conference finals runs (beat by Prime Bron on a superteam since "bu bu but Nash had to play against Tim Duncan like pretty much every great player did at some point in that era
Nash at the point PG is currently in career
2X Allstar
2X All NBA
on what merit are y'all acting like Paul George is beneath a comparison to Steve Nash?
nash was never as good of a player as Paul George is
imagine a team letting paul George walk so they can sign Kenneth fairied
Greenhornet
A God Among Kings
Favorite player since 02
The fact cats are arguing awards and MVPS and shyt shows why opinions here are trash
dude was the most efficient player and controlled the ball/called the plays 90% of the game
had the best chemistry of probably any NBA player with his teammates and utilized everyone's strengths
none of the other shyt is a talking point at all... this man was lacing up for most of the game and captaining a close game or victory against you on extreme shooting and methodical play
not many people in the past 30-40 years were controlling a team in that style at that level with that efficiency, as a pure point. None. Maybe like Oscar Robinson. CP3 is up there too and doesnt get alot of credit
but he has a different playstyle and on and off chemistry with people. The fact that Nash had a slipped disc in his back and got hurt every year while still playing is also a testament to his greatness. From Duncan Elbow, to Dfish breaking his Nose, to Horry checking him, to Lillard breaking his leg, to Malone knocking his teeth out, etc ... put some respect on that mans name.
The fact cats are arguing awards and MVPS and shyt shows why opinions here are trash
dude was the most efficient player and controlled the ball/called the plays 90% of the game
had the best chemistry of probably any NBA player with his teammates and utilized everyone's strengths
none of the other shyt is a talking point at all... this man was lacing up for most of the game and captaining a close game or victory against you on extreme shooting and methodical play
not many people in the past 30-40 years were controlling a team in that style at that level with that efficiency, as a pure point. None. Maybe like Oscar Robinson. CP3 is up there too and doesnt get alot of credit
but he has a different playstyle and on and off chemistry with people. The fact that Nash had a slipped disc in his back and got hurt every year while still playing is also a testament to his greatness. From Duncan Elbow, to Dfish breaking his Nose, to Horry checking him, to Lillard breaking his leg, to Malone knocking his teeth out, etc ... put some respect on that mans name.
He was a 6 seed and it already aged like fruitthey gave it to Russ
Long Live The Kane
Tyrant Titan
A 30 year old late bloomer that just so happened to blossom 10 years into his NBA career the exact moment he began being coached by D'antoni...wilted back to his previous form when they played a more traditional offense... then bloomed again once Gentry coached and put in his version of D'antoni's system? Quite a strange flower indeed
We've witnessed multiple instances of D'antoni inflating the production of his primary ballhandler...how many 30+ year old, 10 year vet "late bloomers" have we seen?
....this seems to be going the wrong way up occam's razorAnd you're right about PG not being a perfect example, someone said Nash was a top 10ish player in the league during his Suns run and I literally brought up the first top 10ish player to pop iny head as an example of how they're perceived.... PG's been a prime-Nash caliber player damm near the entirety of the time he's been in the league, and y'all are scoffing at it like it's an insult... validates my stance that what the OP is calling "disrespect" is really just "reality"
nash was never as good of a player as Paul George is
imagine a team letting paul George walk so they can sign Kenneth fairied
Bruh, I've been trying to be diplomatic by just saying they're on similar tiers as players...these muhfukkas are like "how dare you put Nash and PG in the same sentence
"shyt crazy lol
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steph_harden
Superstar
Everybody misses shots tho. This dude used to have to engineer shots for his entire squad...he already carried a huge load and now 2 of his best guys were missing which included the teams best scorer and the teams next best playmaker who would actually allow him to breathe. It was only natural that he wore down and missed shots cause now he literally had to do it all
I can’t take you dudes seriously.... Nash averaged 8 to10 shots a game....
It takes five seconds for you to look up the facts and realize that's not true. And I hope you aren't suggesting that the Phoenix offense ran through anyone but Nash.
In the 2005 playoffs he upped his volume t0 17.9 shots per game to average 23.9 ppg on 60 TS%.
and 90% of his offense in that postseason was created off the dribble.
Magic
Curry
Oscar
Paul
Nash
Stockton
Frazier
Thomas
Kidd
Payton
Willing to accept Oscar being over Curry until he builds more longevity. Stockton has a good case over Nash due to his superior longevity, but I favor Nash because his aggressive approach was much more conducive to elite team offense. I have an issue with how passive John was not only as a scorer (Nash was often this as well in the RS) but as a playmaker in FORCING teammates open with dribble penetration. Which wasn't just an issue in style, he didn't have the handles of Nash to do that anyways. He didn't help Karl Malone as much as people tend to believe. He's overrated defensively - his size limitations prevented him from reliably guarding difficult assignments and he didn't have any positional versatility. So when people say he's the GOAT defensive PG it's disrespectful to the Payton and Kidd who could guard multiple positions. I think he'd be considered a liability on todays NBA due to all the isolation targeting that high level teams do in the postseason these days.
Also important to note that I place zero emphasis on championship success, as this is a result of team circumstance and not just individual greatness. Same with media voted upon accolades. We disagree with their takes all the time but suddenly when they decided on a reward it matters? Obviously Tony Parker isn't better than Chris Paul because he has a ring and Chauncey Billups isn't better in the Finals in Curry because he has a FMVP and Nash having two MVPs doesn't necessarily mean he's better than Paul who has zero. This is going to be why I disagree with where others place Thomas and perhaps also Jason Kidd.
Not only that but his initial comparison brought up the Big Boy Pacers yet he's using accolades up to present day to compare them.Why you stop the comparison at 29
After that season, Nash got :
- 5 All-NBA teams (3 times in the first)
- 5 All-Star appearances
- 2 MVPs
- 5 seasons leading the league in assists per game
- 3 Conference Finals
I was going to ask why Zeke is so low but you explained somewhat. You don't think his skillset stacks up with the Top 5?
Agree or Disagree, this is a quality post, and I appreciate you going in depth on your choices. You don't think Kidd's combination of volume stats, defense, versatility, longevity, and the development of his shot to an all-time level put him higher, even without considering the chip and Finals appearances?