Stop playing with this man. Mahomes the GOAT

[Supa]

Old Brady beat Prime Mahomes, it is what it is and yall would feel the same way if it was the other way around

Look at this lie. That wasn't prime Mahomes

In what sport is a first year starter "in his prime?" He even admitted to not being good at reading defenses when he threw for 5,000 and 50. This version of Mahomes where he takes what the defense gives him wasn't present until last season.

QB's have always been seen as entering their prime at 30. He's 28.

 

[No1]

Look at this lie. That wasn't prime Mahomes

In what sport is a first year starter "in his prime?" He even admitted to not being good at reading defenses when he threw for 5,000 and 50. This version of Mahomes where he takes what the defense gives him wasn't present until last season.

QB's have always been seen as entering their prime at 30. He's 28.

Brady beat him twice my boy. And where did you get that 30 lie lmao? No QBs did not historically enter their prime at 30. Brady and Peyton got yall minds fukked up lmao. QBs were usually close to retirement at that point. Teams move on from you if you ain’t like that by like 24.

 

[Supa]

Brady beat him twice my boy. And where did you get that 30 lie lmao? No QBs did not historically enter their prime at 30. Brady and Peyton got yall minds fukked up lmao. QBs were usually close to retirement at that point. Teams move on from you if you ain’t like that by like 24.

When did I dispute Brady beating the Chiefs?

Brady lost to Eli twice and Nick Foles in the Super Bowl. He's lost a playoff game to Flacco who had a stat line of 34 yards and 1 INT. He's lost to Mark Sanchez in the playoffs.

QB's are going to lose playoff games. They don't go undefeated.

All I disputed was calling a first year starting QB or even a 4th year starter as being in his prime. That's bullshyt.

You're telling me Purdy is in his prime now? CJ Stroud will be in his prime next season?

Unless a guy is injured, a bust, there's a regime change, or a late round pick teams aren't bailing on starting QB's at 24. They don't even get drafted until age 21-22. Daniel Jones was mid for years and the Giants gave him a deal. He's 26.

Herbert 25
Tua 25
Kyler 26
Hurts 25
Burrow 27
Jordan Love 25
Lawrence 24
Allen 27

All these guys are still learning the position and aren't finished products but you're saying they're all in their prime.

It takes years just to be good at reading defenses and then you have more to learn when those defenses adapt. Mahomes is an outlier.

 

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[The_Sheff]

Brady beat him twice my boy. And where did you get that 30 lie lmao? No QBs did not historically enter their prime at 30. Brady and Peyton got yall minds fukked up lmao. QBs were usually close to retirement at that point. Teams move on from you if you ain’t like that by like 24.

No he is right. Historically a QB wouldn’t even start until he sat the bench a couple seasons. We only came into this start immediately era recently.

Steve Young hit his prime at 30.
Joe Montana was from 27-34
Tom Brady prime started at 27
John Elway prime started at 26
Favre prime started at 26

For you to say Mahomes was in his prime at 22-25 would be an extreme outlier. The only comparable QB I can think of off top would be Dan Marino.

Historically a good QBs prime is from 27-34.

 

[28 Gramz]

Brady beat you from the pocket.

Mahomes beats you from the pocket, throwing outside the pocket, throwing on the run, and running.

Patrick is the better player and won these last two with the offensive talent around him declining. Brady is more accomplished but that's over the entire span of his career. Patrick hasn't even reached his prime yet.

Brady won with less talent for his entire career outside of 2007.

Look at this lie. That wasn't prime Mahomes

In what sport is a first year starter "in his prime?" He even admitted to not being good at reading defenses when he threw for 5,000 and 50. This version of Mahomes where he takes what the defense gives him wasn't present until last season.

QB's have always been seen as entering their prime at 30. He's 28.

A players "prime" is subjective and has nothing to do with age or how long they play. Mahomes was favored to win the SB and I believe 2nd in MVP voting when Tom was on the Bucs. This game manager part of him didn't exist only because he still had Tyreek Hill. You're cant sit here and pretend that 2020 Pat is a lesser QB than the one that's playing now.

 

[The_Sheff]

Brady won with less talent for his entire career outside of 2007.



A players "prime" is subjective and has nothing to do with age or how long they play. Mahomes was favored to win the SB and I believe 2nd in MVP voting when Tom was on the Bucs. This game manager part of him didn't exist only because he still had Tyreek Hill. You're cant sit here and pretend that 2020 Pat is a lesser QB than the one that's playing now.

A players prime has everything to do with how long they have played and their age. They need to be young enough to be able to physically compete at a high level and also experienced enough to know how to win.

Would you say a rookie is in their prime?

Would you say a 47 year old is in their prime?

Hell Tom Brady himself wasn’t in his prime until he was around 30.

 

[Supa]

Brady won with less talent for his entire career outside of 2007.



A players "prime" is subjective and has nothing to do with age or how long they play. Mahomes was favored to win the SB and I believe 2nd in MVP voting when Tom was on the Bucs. This game manager part of him didn't exist only because he still had Tyreek Hill. You're cant sit here and pretend that 2020 Pat is a lesser QB than the one that's playing now.

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Brady had Edelman, Gronk, Hernandez, Moss, Welker, Evans, Godwin, AB, Corey Dillon, Fournette...

Mahomes had Reek, Kelce, Hunt (kicked off the team before the playoffs), Watkins, Juju, MVS, Toney, Moore, Hardman, CEH, Pacheco...

Brady's way more offensive talent than Mahomes has had plus the Pats always had a top tier defense. His first three rings they were ranked 1st, 3rd, and 6th.

Prime isn't subjective. No QB has the game figured out year one. You think Stroud doesn't have a ton of things to learn? No matter how hot a QB is at the start of their career they still aren't finished products.

Mahomes is absolutely better now than 2020. He doesn't force throws. His decisions are quicker. His mechanics are better. He reads defensives better. He manipulates defenders with his eyes.

They had more explosive plays last year without Reek than they did with him. Stop looking at just numbers and pay attention to nuance. If you did you'd understand it takes years to hit your prime.

 

[No1]

No he is right. Historically a QB wouldn’t even start until he sat the bench a couple seasons. We only came into this start immediately era recently.

Steve Young hit his prime at 30.
Joe Montana was from 27-34
Tom Brady prime started at 27
John Elway prime started at 26
Favre prime started at 26

For you to say Mahomes was in his prime at 22-25 would be an extreme outlier. The only comparable QB I can think of off top would be Dan Marino.

Historically a good QBs prime is from 27-34.

No he is not right. He literally said a QB’s prime starts at 30 when 99.9 perfect of QBs have had their best statistical seasons before 30. Like, 98 percent of your post is irrelevant to that point and is reaching and just randomly equating being in your 20s with 30. Why do you think I specifically mentioned Brady and Peyton? They are the only two guys in history with their best statistical year after 30. And I did not say Mahomes’ prime was at that point. I simply laughed at him saying a QB’s prime is at 30. And even your post doesn’t even make a coherent point. It’s very confusing because you’re usually a good poster. @Chip Skylark wasn’t making a coherent point. You can’t in one breathe say Mahomes is the best in the world and then say his losses while being that don’t count.

And his prime argument isn’t a good one regardless. So Peyton Manning didn’t choke in those early years because he wasn’t yet 30? Brady’s SB performances, win and losses in the playoffs don’t count because he was not yet 30? What actual point was that dude trying to make? Some imaginary version of Mahomes at 30, with the exact same physical tools he had at 24 with the exact same stacked Chiefs roster from 2018? If we’re doing that I can create a lot of hypothetical videogame ass players.

 

[CP3.]

He is him.

Patrick Lavon Mahomes II, a native son of East Texas. Talk yo shyt.

Smoke that Purdy Pack, Patrick Sr.

We can finally stop hearing all this talk about Mahomes, Burrow, Allen etc. It's Mahomes in his own tier and then errbody else. He's the only starting QB of his generation with rings (basically counting from 2016 with Dak through today with CJ an em)

I swear y'all just create fake scenarios in your head to get mad at

NO ONE has been putting those two with Mahomes for years now

 

[No1]

Brady's way more offensive talent than Mahomes has had plus the Pats always had a top tier defense. His first three rings they were ranked 1st, 3rd, and 6th.

Some of you guys need to be kept off the internet. Like I hate that ESPN has made you think you can competently talk sports. Mahomes’ Chiefs this year are still most offensively gifted than any team Brady played with until 2007. And the Chiefs defense performed better than any defense Brady has ever had perform in the playoffs on a game to game basis outside of 2001. Every Brady SB run featured a game where the defense got lit up. At no point was Mahomes ever in that sort of situation. What’s crazy is I move Mahomes, and I hate that I can’t just enjoy watching him become who he may become without you guys writing so much revionist bullshyt.

 

[JYoung24]

Y'all really acting like Brady wasn't winning SBs throwing to Troy Brown & Deion Branch

7 is the standard, not 3

They were reliable and fit that system well

 

[Hov]

Some of you guys need to be kept off the internet. Like I hate that ESPN has made you think you can competently talk sports. Mahomes’ Chiefs this year are still most offensively gifted than any team Brady played with until 2007. And the Chiefs defense performed better than any defense Brady has ever had perform in the playoffs on a game to game basis outside of 2001. Every Brady SB run featured a game where the defense got lit up. At no point was Mahomes ever in that sort of situation. What’s crazy is I move Mahomes, and I hate that I can’t just enjoy watching him become who he may become without you guys writing so much revionist bullshyt.

My guy you don’t know the NFL the way you claim to because you just chatting

The biggest Brady rider on TV Teddy Bruschi even said that Brady won his first 3 chips off the Defense back - mans was winning SBs throwing 1 TD the entire playoffs…like you must be 25 or something and didn’t really watch these games

 

[28 Gramz]

The biggest Brady rider on TV Teddy Bruschi even said that Brady won his first 3 chips off the Defense back - mans was winning SBs throwing 1 TD the entire playoffs…like you must be 25 or something and didn’t really watch these games

Overblown myth.

He had 350 and 3 TDs in his second super Bowl. A feat Mahomes has yet to accomplish while being so much more "talented". nikkas need to stop listening to talking heads and do their own research.

 

[Supa]

Overblown myth.

He had 350 and 3 TDs in his second super Bowl. A feat Mahomes has yet to accomplish while being so much more "talented". nikkas need to stop listening to talking heads and do their own research.

You want to cherry pick stats from one game when overall Mahomes is statistically the best QB ever in the playoffs

Those numbers don't even factor in this season.

He has 524 total rushing yards in 18 playoff games. Brady has 133 in 48 for a whooping 2.7 yards a game.

Let's talk about these numbers:



We're comparing a retired 22 season player to an active player over 6 seasons. Pace is the key factor and Mahomes is ahead of Brady. At this point he's far better statistically with an equal amount of rings.