Stimulus & Bailout Watch Thread

[Pressure]

if your job isnt coming back after July, you should get some extra unemployment benefits for a while. im not arguing against that

You do realize the economy would actually be in a worse place with half the unemployment and no benefits.

Hell even a third would put us near 10% unemployment.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

it's funny that you act like i'm pushing some agenda when i'm just posting what's gonna actually happen there's nothing heroic about you guys posting fantasies on an internet forum

whose post is gonna play out in real life? mine or yours? don't get mad at me, go call your senator

What fantasy? No shyt things will open up, they are fully open in tons of states - none of that negates the jobs permanently lost from this nor the jobs that will take through early next year to recover, and none of it negates that our unemployment system is/was woefully inadequate.

I’m sorry, but I’m at a loss for what point you think you’ve proven?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

if your job isnt coming back after July, you should get some extra unemployment benefits for a while. im not arguing against that

Um, yes you have been. It’s the whole reason we’ve been going back and forth. Everyone isnt jumping right back into a job with the wave of a “we’re open” wand

 

[Robbie3000]

Sounds about white.

And White on time.

fukk those tests though. I did really bad only to graduate college Magna Cum Laude.

 

[the cac mamba]

Um, yes you have been. It’s the whole reason we’ve been going back and forth. Everyone isnt jumping right back into a job with the wave of a “we’re open” wand

i never said they were

look, you can't even accept the fact that 70 percent of people got a raise off this, and that small business owners are having trouble bringing people back so we can't have a serious conversation about any of this until you do. i'm not sure why you're pretending you want to discuss this in good faith. this isn't a real discussion

and if i posted articles about that i'd probably get banned so why don't we just not discuss it. you're right, and i'm wrong, and the pelosi bill is gonna pass tomorrow. is that better?

 

[88m3]

Coronavirus Updates: Cuomo Calls On Federal Government To Help Accelerate Infrastructure Projects

let that funding flow

 

[lightskin jermaine]

Is it too late to apply for forbearance? When I look it up it says you can receive up to 180 days of forbearance but he's saying 12 months.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Is it too late to apply for forbearance? When I look it up it says you can receive up to 180 days of forbearance but he's saying 12 months.

Avoid it at all costs

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

i never said they were

look, you can't even accept the fact that 70 percent of people got a raise off this, and that small business owners are having trouble bringing people back so we can't have a serious conversation about any of this until you do. i'm not sure why you're pretending you want to discuss this in good faith. this isn't a real discussion

and if i posted articles about that i'd probably get banned so why don't we just not discuss it. you're right, and i'm wrong, and the pelosi bill is gonna pass tomorrow. is that better?

It’s temporary...like what part of you can’t compute that a 4 month bump in pay followed by still being unemployed with benefits well below your salary doesn’t equal coming out ahead. And we won’t have a serious conversation until you stop acting like everyone will magically be back at work.

 

[the cac mamba]

It’s temporary...like what part of you can’t compute that a 4 month bump in pay followed by still being unemployed with benefits well below your salary doesn’t equal coming out ahead. And we won’t have a serious conversation until you stop acting like everyone will magically be back at work.

i never acted like everyone will magically be back at work, because they won't. you refuse to address that small businesses can't get people to come back when they're incentivized not to

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

i never acted like everyone will magically be back at work, because they won't. you refuse to address that small businesses can't get people to come back when they're incentivized not to

One question on unemployment form is if they refused an offer to return to work

If states reinstate that requirement (for example my state isnt currently requiring people to actively seek employment) then that would resolve your issue.

Additionally, many people will exhaust their state benefits in the somewhat near future so congress will pretty much have to extend the federal 600. But if the economy is reopening and they get rid of the waivers on job searches then i really do not see the issue here

 

[the cac mamba]

One question on unemployment form is if they refused an offer to return to work

If states reinstate that requirement (for example my state isnt currently requiring people to actively seek employment) then that would resolve your issue.

Additionally, many people will exhaust their state benefits in the somewhat near future so congress will pretty much have to extend the federal 600. But if the economy is reopening and they get rid of the waivers on job searches then i really do not see the issue here

it's not "my" issue, it's the issue of small business owners that im commenting on i know this isnt the thread for that (i guess), but in the real world it's an aspect of the discussion

again, it's easy to sit here and say "the government should just give everyone 3 grand a month for the next 2 years". if that's the answer then fine, so be it. i don't give a fukk but the realist in me doesn't see that happening, so why pretend otherwise?

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

it's not "my" issue, it's the issue of small business owners that im commenting on i know this isnt the thread for that (i guess), but in the real world it's an aspect of the discussion

again, it's easy to sit here and say "the government should just give everyone 3 grand a month for the next 2 years". if that's the answer then fine, so be it. i don't give a fukk but the realist in me doesn't see that happening, so why pretend otherwise?

Ok.

If they make it a requirement to look for jobs and take away benefits if someone refused a return to work would the issue of small business owners and not you be sufficiently addressed?

 

[the cac mamba]

Ok.

If they make it a requirement to look for jobs and take away benefits if someone refused a return to work would the issue of small business owners and not you be sufficiently addressed?

yeah, i imagine it would if your job really disappeared, of course you should get something extra til it comes back

but all these news stories where business owners are calling their employees, and they get hit with "nah, i make more on unemployment. sorry"? no, i dont fukkin support extending that past july especially while grocery workers got zero bonus at all

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

yeah, i imagine it would if your job really disappeared, of course you should get something extra til it comes back

but all these news stories where business owners are calling their employees, and they get hit with "nah, i make more on unemployment. sorry"? no, i dont fukkin support extending that past july especially while grocery workers got zero bonus at all

Ok..so

1. Reinstate job search requirement
2. Reinstate return to work requirement (perhaps with caveats and the right to appeal)
3. Extend benefits until January 1st (perhaps with slight increase to offset the exhaustion of state benefits OR issue another stimulus check)

Done.