Still pickin' at fo'-fo':Dallas Cowboys Official 2016 War Room Thread

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Noah Spence fails another drug test for Ecstasy, out indefinitely
By Luke Zimmermann@lukezim on Sep 12, 2014, 3:53p 14

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Noah Spence is back in trouble, just days after he returned from suspension for the same problem that sidelined him in the first place.

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Just days after being reinstated following a suspension for failing a drug test at last year's Big Ten championship game, Ohio State defensive end Noah Spence finds himself facing discipline once again.

Spence is out indefinitely for what Eleven Warriors first reported was the result of another failed drug test. The Columbus Dispatch's Tim May later followed up by stating that Spence is out indefinitely after a second violation of Ohio State and Big Ten rules. The university indirectly confirmed the reports in a statement, saying that Spence would not play against Kent State, but that final resolution remained forthcoming. Spence had been listed on this past week's depth chart as the backup to interim starter Steve Miller.
 

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And in 2014 the Top 3 rushers were a 3rd round pick, and two late 2nd round picks. :mjlol:
 

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@smitty22 what about aldophus washington?
Good pass rusher for a DT. Good against the run as well. He benefited the most from Bosa getting doubled and triple teamed. Made all american this past year. His problem is he will take plays off. He'll go 2nd round. He wont be anything special in the league, but a decent pro. D line in this draft is stacked, there are other DT id take in the 2nd before him
 

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I would be surprise if Braxton Miller end up being the best player out of this Ohio State draft class.
 

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Who are you referring to? Name names :camby:



Top 5 rushers in NFL last season:
4/5 were first round Picks
1. Peterson - generational back
2. Martin - drafted #31 (basically a 2nd rounder)
3. Gurley - great value at #10
4. McFadden - clearly shouldn't have been drafted in the top 10, average back. They could have easily taken Forte/Ray Rice in the 2nd round.
5. Ivory - undrafted
6. Latavious - 6th rounder
7. Freeman - 4th rounder
8. Jonathan Stewart - 1st rounder -drafted 13th overall ahead of Talib, Branden Albert, Rodgers-Cromartie, etc. . They could have easily taken Forte or Ray Rice in the 2nd round.
9. Frank Gore - 3rd rounder
10. D'angelo Williams - 1st rounder (#27 overall)

all Im trying to say is, its just a matter of value. you want to get the most you can out of a #4, cause its rare
 

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What Gurley do better? :jbhmm:.

How about 1100 yards on 4.8 carries playing for the Rams fresh off a torn ACL...

How about doing that with Nick Foles at QB...

Forget how good the rams receiving core is...name 3 rams receivers without doing your googles...

And that rams line isn't exactly the great wall of dallas...

Gurley is going to be THE transcendent back of this generation...

Speed...power...vision...explosiveness...

Most complete back since AP...

If we had this dude in our backfield then it might not actually matter if Romo got hurt or not...

Zeke is nowhere near this dude...

Not on the same planet...

Not in the same solar system...

Not in the same galaxy...

If you chopped Todd Gurley in two I'd draft his lower half over Zeke...

We got a one cut back in Morris...don;t need another one...

shyt...is zeke even a one cut back?
 

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How about 1100 yards on 4.8 carries playing for the Rams fresh off a torn ACL...

How about doing that with Nick Foles at QB...

Forget how good the rams receiving core is...name 3 rams receivers without doing your googles...

And that rams line isn't exactly the great wall of dallas...

Gurley is going to be THE transcendent back of this generation...

Speed...power...vision...explosiveness...

Most complete back since AP...

If we had this dude in our backfield then it might not actually matter if Romo got hurt or not...

Zeke is nowhere near this dude...

Not on the same planet...

Not in the same solar system...

Not in the same galaxy...

If you chopped Todd Gurley in two I'd draft his lower half over Zeke...

We got a one cut back in Morris...don;t need another one...

shyt...is zeke even a one cut back?
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How about 1100 yards on 4.8 carries playing for the Rams fresh off a torn ACL...

How about doing that with Nick Foles at QB...

Forget how good the rams receiving core is...name 3 rams receivers without doing your googles...

And that rams line isn't exactly the great wall of dallas...

Gurley is going to be THE transcendent back of this generation...

Speed...power...vision...explosiveness...

Most complete back since AP...

If we had this dude in our backfield then it might not actually matter if Romo got hurt or not...

Zeke is nowhere near this dude...

Not on the same planet...

Not in the same solar system...

Not in the same galaxy...

If you chopped Todd Gurley in two I'd draft his lower half over Zeke...

We got a one cut back in Morris...don;t need another one...

shyt...is zeke even a one cut back?

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NFL Draft 2016: Is Ezekiel Elliott a better prospect than Todd Gurley?
By Ben Natan@BGNatan on Apr 5, 2016, 8:00a 162

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How do the elite running back prospects compare?

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With the tenth pick in the 2015 Draft, the Rams selected Georgia running back, Todd Gurley. His selection marked the first time a running back went in the first round since 2012. While some were critical of the pick at the time, it would be safe to assume that no one is questioning the selection of the reigning Offensive Rookie of the Year anymore. Despite missing the first few games of the season as Gurley recovered from an ACL tear he suffered his final year at Georgia, he went on a tear through the rest of the season, amassing 1,100 yards and 10 touchdowns in 13 games. He absolutely lived up to the billing and looks to be a staple in the Rams offense for years to come.

A year after his selection and months since his dominant rookie season finished, there are debates raging about another supremely talented running back prospect; Ezekiel Elliott. The Ohio State stud is thought by many, including me, to be one of the best, if not the best, player in this class. Despite his skill set, many still scoff at the idea of drafting a running back in the top ten, let alone the top five. But how does Elliott stack up to Gurley, who absolutely justified his selection? Let's break it down on a trait by trait basis...

Speed/Acceleration

The flashiest of the traits for a running back, Todd Gurley runs away (I'm sorry) with the linear athletic advantage. While no one is going to accuse Ezekiel Elliott of being a slowpoke, Gurley blend of incredible initial burst and long speed put him in an elite tier of NFL athletes. Elliott can absolutely run away from defenses, but his speed doesn't compare to the freakish Gurley.

Power/Tackle Breaking Ability

While Gurley is an immense athlete and shows freakish feats of strength, Elliott's power as a runner is evident on a much more consistent basis. Both welcome contact as runners, but Elliott's tremendous ability to get low and keep his legs churning making him a pain in the ass to tackle. Neither are lightweight, finesse backs and I am splitting hairs a bit, but that is the point. Elliott's blend of natural power, technique as a runner and aggressive mindset make him a terrific power runner.

Agility

This is a big win for Elliott. While Gurley makes impressive open field moves, Elliot's ability to change direction in tight quarters is truly marvelous to witness. Elliott has as good of change of direction abilities as I have seen from a running back which says a lot considering Elliot's size. Gurley is not a stiff runner in the slightest, but he is far more of a pure north/south type than Elliott.

Third Down Ability

Another win for Elliott, although it may be by way of exposure. Elliott was a big part of the passing game at Ohio, both as a pass catcher and blocker. Gurley has rarely been a big part of the passing game during his NFL and college career, though he has looked good when given the chances. Elliott's experience and evident savvy give him the win, however. He is an excellent receiver who can function as the primary target or a safety valve on any given passing play. The icing on the cake is how sound he is as a blocker. I don't really prioritize blocking for running backs, but it is hard to ignore how dependable Elliott is when asked to stay in as an extra protector. Elliott's can have an immediate impact for an NFL team on passing downs whereas it's still a bit of a guess how much Gurley will impact there during his career.

Above the shoulders...

In terms of pure vision and creativity, Ezekiel Elliott is Stanley Kubrick. Elliott's ability to anticipate holes opening as a runner and string together moves is awe inspiring. He is the type of player who will almost never get negative yardage and can make three yard runs into 15 yard runs. His ability to create separation as a running back is akin to how great route running wide receivers can get open. While their isn't necessarily a ton of pure speed, Elliott uses minute movements to get away from defenders. Gurley could create as a runner, but he often relied on his freakish athletic ability to do most of the work for him, which would work from time to time, but Elliott's Sherlock Holmes ability to find a crease and Houdini-esque escapability give him a massive edge. It is difficult to judge a running back's brains, but Elliott is one of the most cerebral players I have ever seen.


Ceiling

While this is more subjective, I do think Gurley has as high of a ceiling as any player in the NFL. His rare blend of size, speed and natural strength could make him a Hall of Fame level player. We're talking OJ Simpson/Jim Brown levels of legendary. There is still a lot of rawness to Gurley's game that he has to work through, but there is no denying what his athletic ability can afford him. As for Elliott, he may be maxed out as a player, so there is not much more of a ceiling to reach. However, the player he is now is one that can be a top five NFL running back for the next 8 years. Gurley, who is already a top ten back in the league, for sure has the edge in terms of what he can become as a player.

Durability

Gurley spent his entire college career dealing with various injuries. From various dings to serious leg injuries, Gurley has always had something going on, it seems. While Gurley was able to show out his rookie season, there is obvious reason for concern going forward as to how healthy he can stay. Elliott, on the other hand, has been incredibly durable during his time at Ohio State. He has been the bell cow through two straight seasons and never seemed to wear down. For sure that is encouraging considering how people harp on running back durability.

The Winner is...

If you were keeping score, Elliott is the better prospect. This is no slight to Gurley as a prospect or the player he is now, but Elliott's complete skill set as a player, the high level that he does just about everything, makes him too enticing of a prospect. Of course, Gurley is the much better athlete and can become something amazing, but in terms of the player they are each now? Take Elliott over Gurley every single time.

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1. Peterson - generational back
2. Martin - drafted #31 (basically a 2nd rounder)
3. Gurley - great value at #10
4. McFadden - clearly shouldn't have been drafted in the top 10, average back. They could have easily taken Forte/Ray Rice in the 2nd round.
5. Ivory - undrafted
6. Latavious - 6th rounder
7. Freeman - 4th rounder
8. Jonathan Stewart - 1st rounder -drafted 13th overall ahead of Talib, Branden Albert, Rodgers-Cromartie, etc. . They could have easily taken Forte or Ray Rice in the 2nd round.
9. Frank Gore - 3rd rounder
10. D'angelo Williams - 1st rounder (#27 overall)

all Im trying to say is, its just a matter of value. you want to get the most you can out of a #4, cause its rare
Who are your top 5 safties in the nfl?
 

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How about 1100 yards on 4.8 carries playing for the Rams fresh off a torn ACL...

How about doing that with Nick Foles at QB...

Forget how good the rams receiving core is...name 3 rams receivers without doing your googles...

And that rams line isn't exactly the great wall of dallas...

Gurley is going to be THE transcendent back of this generation...

Speed...power...vision...explosiveness...

Most complete back since AP...

If we had this dude in our backfield then it might not actually matter if Romo got hurt or not...

Zeke is nowhere near this dude...

Not on the same planet...

Not in the same solar system...

Not in the same galaxy...

If you chopped Todd Gurley in two I'd draft his lower half over Zeke...

We got a one cut back in Morris...don;t need another one...

shyt...is zeke even a one cut back?

My nikka :wow:
 
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