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Y’all still pushing the he stealing rebound narrative which is wrong. You can’t be watching the games this season
Steph's 3 point shooting VS Russ triple doubles - Which impresses you more?
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He had literally the best rebounding frontcourt in the NBA. Adams, Kanter, and Sabonis. Then in midseason they picked up Taj too. How the fukk would losing KD mean that Russ had to carry the team in rebounding?
Ignoring your defensive responsibility to stand near the hoop and try to steal rebounds from your bigs is not carrying the team
Letting your guy blow by you and then following him to get the rebound is not carrying the team
Knocking over your own teammate to grab an uncontested rebound is not carrying the team
Getting a freebound by lining up in a spot no other point guard uses is not carrying the team
And his offensive boards went DOWN after KD left. Only his defensive rebounds went up. Because his bigs were openly giving him their defensive boards, something the other team doesn't let happen on the offensive end.
What about losing KD made any of that shyt necessary?
Hoodoo Child
The Urban Legend
Shooting from the Logo and making it >>> 3rd Triple Double and still losing games
daboywonder2002
Superstar
But no one has done what Steph does literally ever.
Do you really believe that Bron couldn't have averaged 2 more rebounds/game last year for a triple-double if he asked AD/Dwight/McGee to box out
for him and let him have the easy ones the way Russ's bigs do?
No because he hasn't played with those type of bigs his whole career. What about the years when Big Z was the starting center or Verajo. Joel Anthony, Tristan. Bron has had chances to put up those type of numbers and hasn't. I'm gonna have to check the history books but how many 20 assist games has Lebron had, 20 rebound games. No way in hell am I saying Russ is better. Just saying that those numbers Russ is putting up are special.
The only difference with Steph is that he's doing it off the dribble. That's it. I've seen plenty of great 3 point shooters. Ray, Reggie, Mark Price, Hersey Hawkins, Abdul rauf. If you're a real 3 point shooter, you can shoot from the logo so that's not impressive either.
Because accumulation of those stats don't translate to wins, at least not without other positive habits like consistent defensive effort or valuing possessions with low turnover rates, or decent shots instead of a contested jumper with 17 seconds left on the shot clock.
Grant's prime was in the 90s when triple doubles weren't happening like that due to pace. LeBron lead the league in triple-doubles for the era of his early career.
Oscar didn't win his ring averaging a triple-double.
Pacni99a12
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I agree for the most part. Contested rebounds are the main thing that matter, and offensive rebounds are the best measure we have that I know of. Wtf kind of value is a rebound off of a free throw when everyone else is getting back on d?
Apprentice
RIP Doughboy Roc
First part is cap they beat OKC last year
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He had literally the best rebounding frontcourt in the NBA. Adams, Kanter, and Sabonis. Then in midseason they picked up Taj too. How the fukk would losing KD mean that Russ had to carry the team in rebounding?
Ignoring your defensive responsibility to stand near the hoop and try to steal rebounds from your bigs is not carrying the team
Letting your guy blow by you and then following him to get the rebound is not carrying the team
Knocking over your own teammate to grab an uncontested rebound is not carrying the team
Getting a freebound by lining up in a spot no other point guard uses is not carrying the team
And his offensive boards went DOWN after KD left. Only his defensive rebounds went up. Because his bigs were openly giving him their defensive boards, something the other team doesn't let happen on the offensive end.
What about losing KD made any of that shyt necessary?
1. Adams had his best years statistically after KD left and while Westbrook was getting those triple doubles
2. Sabonis was only there for ONE year. They traded him after one season to get Paul George. And speaking of Paul George, he had career highs in points and rebounds playing along side Westbrook.
3. Enes Kanter doesn't play defense. He had his best years statistically on bad Knicks teams.
4. Gibson was on there for ONE season and he only played in 23 games.
So like I said, Westbrook had to do more to make up for KD not being there.
What does "those type of bigs" mean? Russ played with the EXACT SAME bigs in 2017, Adams and Kanter, that he did in 2016. In fact his bigs were even better in 2017 because they added Sabonis, and then Taj at midseason. There was no reason for Russ's rebounds to go way up with that lineup. He's racked up rebounds on the shytty teams he's played on because those bigs just give up their own easy rebounds to let him have them. Bron never asked his teammates to do that.
In his ENTIRE CAREER Abdul Rauf only made 176 threes, at a 31% clip, from the modern 3pt line.
You just called Abdul Rauf a great 3pt shooter and compared him to Steph when he wasn't even a GOOD three-point shooter, much less a great one. You proved you are just spewing shyt without any knowledge, you probably saw that Phil Jackson quote and don't know anything else about Chris Jackson's game.
Apprentice
RIP Doughboy Roc
U guys are being disingenuous
First off most those rebound clips from the 16-17 season where he was carrying the load
2nd the assists and points come from the rebounds, a lot of Russ offense is set up from fast break opportunities
He leads the league in contested rebounds and offensive rebounds among guards
Y’all hating fr fr
First off most those rebound clips from the 16-17 season where he was carrying the load
2nd the assists and points come from the rebounds, a lot of Russ offense is set up from fast break opportunities
He leads the league in contested rebounds and offensive rebounds among guards
Y’all hating fr fr
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Rest In Power Kobe
This is like saying the only difference between Jordan and other two guards is that he was the best athlete.
You forgot that Russ wasn't even on the court to start the playoffs last year. Houston won twice without needing Russ, Russ only played in 2 of the wins in that series.
(And whether Russ even helped in the 2 wins he played in was debatable, considering his mediocre play in both games.)
1. When Russ was stat-padding from 2017-2019, Adams averaged 5 or fewer defensive rebounds per 36 minutes, which were the three lowest years of his entire career. Adams's best year by FAR for defensive rebounds was 2020, after Russ left, when he averaged 8 per 36 minutes.
2. Sabonis averaged just 5 defensive boards/36 minutes when he played with Russ. He's averaged 8-10 in every other season.
3. Kanter averaged 6.7 defensive boards/36 minutes the year he played with Russ stat-padding. The year before with KD there he'd averaged 8.7, the next year on the Knicks he averaged 10.0.
4. Taj averaged just 4.8 defensive boards/36 minutes for the 23 games he played with Russ. Until then he'd been averaging 6.2 that year. After he left OKC he continued to average at least 5-6 every year.
That is a STACKED rebounding lineup. You're full of shyt if you claim otherwise. Why did EVERY one of those bigs rebound at a significantly lower rate while Russ was stat-padding?
The claim that Westbrook increased his rebounds after KD left because he needed to carry a bigger load is a straight lie. That team was stacked with rebounders. He just took his own team's boards away from them. Which we've already seen.
What was his numbers?
19-6-8, with 3 triple-doubles on the season. He was losing to the Celtics and Wilt every year outside of 62 so I don't hold that against him. Russ gets his just to lose in Round 1 to non-contenders or in this year's cases play in a gimmick wildcard game.
daboywonder2002
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What does "those type of bigs" mean? Russ played with the EXACT SAME bigs in 2017, Adams and Kanter, that he did in 2016. In fact his bigs were even better in 2017 because they added Sabonis, and then Taj at midseason. There was no reason for Russ's rebounds to go way up with that lineup. He's racked up rebounds on the shytty teams he's played on because those bigs just give up their own easy rebounds to let him have them. Bron never asked his teammates to do that.
In his ENTIRE CAREER Abdul Rauf only made 176 threes, at a 31% clip, from the modern 3pt line.
You just called Abdul Rauf a great 3pt shooter and compared him to Steph when he wasn't even a GOOD three-point shooter, much less a great one. You proved you are just spewing shyt without any knowledge, you probably saw that Phil Jackson quote and don't know anything else about Chris Jackson's game.
474 three's made for Chris jackson at a 35.4% clip