Steph Curry With 6 & 7 Turnovers In B2B Elimination Games
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This is why basketball talk has become worthless on this forum. The real MVP would have blocked 6'9" LBJ on a catch-and-shoot 34 feet from the basket, right? How the fukk is Bron's shot relative to Curry's MVP case at all? It's just fukking narratives at this point, y'all don't even care about the game.
let's be clear:I don't get all the excuses some are making for Steph in here. Of course he scored 39 because he's the greatest shooter ever. But his and GSW's turnovers were careless, lazy passes or just wilting under tenacious D and making a bad pass that was stolen.
Y'all talking about Steph's supporting cast or injuries but other players over the last decade haven't gotten those kinda passes or outs that ya'll are trying to give Steph. He was outdueled in basically a Game 7 by a 2nd year player in Ja Morant who is explosive, quick and fearless but Steph as I've mentioned is the greatest shooter ever, a multiple time MVP and a multiple time Champion.
No one with a resume like that should get a pass losing in a 1 game scenario to an inexperienced potential superstar (Morant) in your own building at that. I was hoping Memphis would KO GSW and keep them out the playoffs but I didn't think it would actually happen.
How you gonna be the MVP or a finalist for MVP when 1 you don't make the playoffs and B you get a dagger in your eye from 34ft in play-in game 1 by King James then in play-in game 2 Ja Morant takes over the game in OT in your building?
Steph deserves the flack he's getting for the turnovers and careless play these last 2 games
The issue is posters doing their best Skip Bayless impressions and acting like his legacy is in ruin, while removing any nuance from the conversation. Steph carried this team. NO OTHER PLAYER had the worst offense of all time when Steph left the floor. They went 1 for 7 w/o Steph, and 4 of those losses were blowouts (Deearon Fox got a new career high, John Collins got a new career high), and Toronto was up more than 60pts on the Warriors that last time they played. Toronto finished well below .500 and the Warriors w/o Steph, lost by over 50 points.
The Warriors Roster outside of Looney, Steph, Klay, and Draymond
-Wiggins (Coli considers him a bust, and he's only a great player when we wanna push forth a dishonest narrative that Steph actually is surrounded with great players)
-James Wiseman (statistically, the warriors were better w/o him. There was a reddit post that stated that Wiseman was as awful as steph was good this season)
Alen Smailagic - y'all didnt know who he was before this season. He's a horrible player. Blatant dishonesty to suggest otherwise. Also, a G League player (common theme)
Jordan Poole - took a leap this season, one of the few bright spots. Scored 19pts in last night's game. For perspective, he's a second year player that was relied heavy upon to help our offense. Why? Because outside of steph, no one on this team can reliably play basketball (also played in the G League)
Gary Payton II - great defensively, but that's all we know. He also got no run during any of the play-in games (Once again, that's right...a fukking G League player)
Eric Paschall - sidelined 6 weeks for a knee injury. Last game he played was the Pelicans game. And he looked hella rusty. Also generally a bad defender, and a ball-stopper
Kelly Oubre - any reasonable, objective person will tell oubre hasnt been good this season. Overall, a disappointment. Didnt shoot well, and didnt play well in the flow of our offense.
Mychal Mulder - yet another G League player on this roster. Basically NEVER hit big shots when the game mattered. Dude had stage fright all season. Unless it was garbage time, he was missing every 3 pointer he took. And he was supposed to be a 3pt specialist (I wonder if this guy is a G League player....hmmmm. Just checked, and YEP. He is a G League player)
Nico Mannion - another rookie we JUST drafted in the 2nd round. Need I say more? (He ALSO went down to the G League)
Damion Lee - Stephs brother-in-law. Basically the same as mulder: A streaky shooter that wont move the needle at all. At best, a 10th man on any team, and he was one of the first players off the bench. (Surely this guy wasnt a G Leaguer, yes? OH WHADDAYA fukking know? He in fact WAS in the G League)
Jordan Bell - there's a reason he wasnt in the league before we got him. One dimensional, can't do anything besides dunk. never worked on his game, and has a low BBall IQ (OK, surely we have gotten thru ALL the G Leaguers in this team, right? fukk NO, BELL was in the G League this season as well, and he was waived by his G League team, in addition to a ton of other NBA teams last season and this season)
Juan Toscano-Anderson: The other decent player on this team. A glue-guy essentially (Yep, another fukking G League player we HAVE to depend on)
Kent Bazemore - the village idiot of the team (Easily the dumbest veteran on the team. A legit mongoloid, and i mean that sincerely)
NOW
Of all those "superstars" and elite veterans that I just mentioned:
Only 5 of those players have been playing over the last 22 games or so. We've been running a small lineup to close the season. It's an 8 man rotation with no true center (we've been getting fukked in rebounds ALL season), and JTA, Poole, Mannion, Mulder, Damion Lee, Gary Payton II, and Smailagic have ALL spent a TON of time in the G League
More than half the roster is G Leaguers getting extensive play time. And Steph GOT THIS TEAM TO THE 8 SEED. It's not like they were the 9 or 10 seed. By season's end, they were one of the top 8 teams in the western conference. Steph carried a team that was CHALK full of G league players contributing large minutes, to an 8 seed after 72 games played.
Damian Lillard didnt have to do that
Westbrook didnt have to do that (in 2017 or now. Westbrook had the 2nd highest scoring NBA player and an All Star by his side)
Harden NEVER had to do that. Harden played with All Star teammates since 2014 and didnt have a shyt ton of G Leaguers riddles throughout the rosters he was on. Morey was known for making big moves
CP3 NEVER had to do this. He was on very good teams even in New Orleans. he took the Spurs to 7 games in New Orleans. He was on the Lob City Clippers. He was on the Harden Rockets. Even this season with the suns. The Suns were a good team and made huge strides after dropping Oubre (whos on our fukking team now). Added Crowder to All Star Devin Booker, and the Suns have arguably the best bench in the NBA
None of those players dealt with HISTORICALLY bad spacing either
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He does hunt for the switch no doubt. Most PGs do. I equate pgs using screen like Big posting up. It's natural and apart of the game but....
When you in a game such as this, you have to get buckets and refuse screens to iso or split traps i.e. Dwade and MJ to impose your will.
It's the last knock I have on Steph's game. The thing is I've seen him do it before plenty in the Mark Jackson era. He rarely does it without a switch now with Kerr's philosophy though.
In the end it's about results get the job done or have guys like CHICAGO clown you for your short comings
Kerr when he arrives figured out that Steph's 1 of 1 shooting should be his main weapon and the best way to unlock that is screens and off-ball action. When Golden State had other playmakers (Draymond, Livingston, Iggy, Barbosa), it allowed Curry to be what he is, an off-ball guard. Much like Duncan being a C who was talented enough to have great success at PF, Curry is a 2 great enough to have success at the 1.
Now with mileage and however many knick-knack injuries added on iso ball makes less sense longevity wise which is why we're not seeing that.
Despite how good the LAL-GSW and GSW-Memphis game was I'm not a fan of the play-in tournament. With that said technically Steph didn't get GSW to the 8 seed if so they would be getting ready for Utah. He got them to the 9 seed and is missing the playoffs for the 2nd year in a row.
He got a pass for missing the whole damn season last year with a broken hand
and now even though he balled out you want to give him a pass for not being able to will his time to the playoffs this season. How much are ya'll gonna baby Steph? He has as much playoff experience as the whole Memphis team combined and he still lost in an elimination game to them at home. No excuses for that especially in a close game like it was in the 4th & overtime.
yeah and iverson had a ton of defensive help on that philly team but y'all dont give steph that same rope
and Timmy Duncan is the GOAT defensive player
Once again, false equivalence. Skip Bayless talk
Tim duncan?
draymond would shut him down too
CarbonBraddock
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be a 'top 10 player ever' that can't create your own shot consistently brehs. get outplayed by year two morant brehs. be better than iverson but can't even lead your team past the bumass grizzlies in a crucial game brehs.
CarbonBraddock
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it's because curry's fans are pussies who overinflate his abilities. now you got dudes sayin this fakkit is a top ten player of all time. in what universe is the ultimate 1-dimensional player on the same level as mj, magic, bird, kobe, shaq, wilt, etc? it's absurd. it also doesn't help that curry himself is also dancin and chewin on that gay-ass mouthpiece like a damn retard. he comes across as full of himself without being all that to begin with.For the life of me I can’t understand how you can be a fan of basketball and take pleasure in seeing greats fall sort. I blame Skip for making casuals try to out hot-take everyone.
Kobe, Jordan, Kareem didn’t make the playoffs every year of their career but nobody talks about that just like everyone will forget about this but get your hot takes off if that makes you feel happy
CarbonBraddock
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Nah. You're being intentionally obtuse again. Throwing multiple bodies at kd does nothing, but you can contain steph by doing so as we saw him struggling to get shots off in the clutch...kd wouldn't have that issue
its impossible to run iso. this isnt 2014. the league has discovered steph and doubles as soon as he gets the ball. the only way to combat it is with klay also on the floor, or to run a pick and pop with a 4/5 that can shoot the three...a brook lopez type at the very least.I need to see the tape because I didn't watch the game but Steph can't allow traps to take him out of the game this easy.
He has to demand iso or clear outs and get his team buckets in crunch time end of discussion.
Mark Jackson used to let him iso much more but Kerr and Steph himself must not have enough confidence to run iso/clear outs in games like this. Kerr should have designed plays off a double that comes on a clear out by now.
Again I didn't watch the game in total. I need to see Memphis defensive strategy to see if Steph invited all these doubles with screens
i know you didnt watch the game but come on. if you had been watching at all this year you'd know opponents typically refuse to let steph iso
How the fukk would that strategy help if you think KD is the superior option anyway?
By your logic, the Warriors should WANT Steph to give the ball up so KD can get more shots, right?
MORE LIES.STEPH DIDNT GET DOUBLED
UNTIL HE TRIED TO USE THE SCREEN.
HE COULD HAVE ISO'D ALL NITE
BUT NOPE HE KEEPS CALLING
FOR THE SCREEN
YOU GOOFIES CRY FOUL
LIKE STEPH ISNT OUT HERE
USING SCREENS TO GET THE ADVANTAGE.
CarbonBraddock
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you don't watch the games or don't understand games. flashy handles don't mean shyt if you can't get around the dude guarding you. they only respect them whack globetrotter moves he does because he can shoot so well. he's a terrible iso player and would never get 30 ppg if he was having to create all those shots himself.