STEM Education And Jobs: Declining Numbers Of Blacks Seen In Math, Science

[theworldismine13]

Getting the degree isn't the end game...getting the job is...

shyt getting the degree is just the beginning...the only thing that a degree means is that your online application isn't instantly tossed in the trash...

Matter fact...if I had to choose between a guy who loves music making a smash summer anthem that makes him a ton of money...and just some random guy graduating from some state college and getting an IT job...ANY IT job, that same summer...I'll put my money on the producer because at least he can make his music and put it out himself...that guy for the IT job is just filling out applications all day and praying...

Looking through this thread the majority of people posting in it cannot actually be working in a STEM field...I can't imagine a harder industry to get a job in...

Don't let all those "high paying STEM jobs" articles fool you...

I always see on those list that programmers make 80k...90k...100k...

I work at a fortune 100 company and can tell you that not even 10% of the programmers worldwide at the company make a 100k...

shyt 80% of them are not even FTE's...

but what you are saying is BS, its way easier to get a job with a STEM degree than to having a "smash summer anthem"

and are you serious or on crack, did you just really say "smash summer anthem"

we are in a period when motherfukers are literally giving their music away for free cuz its so saturated FYI and when they are not giving it for free they are harassing you in the street with a free CD for a small donation

the whole notion of music being a financially savior is step 2 and 6 in the guide to destroy black males
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/rap-exploitation-how-to-destroy-a-black-male-in-10-steps.278734/

 

[duckbutta]

we arent discussing how to force people into STEM, we are discussing how to get more black STEM majors

i totally agree that if you somebody isnt feeling it they shouldnt get into it, but that's general advise that applies to just about any career field

The only possible way I see it being done without it being forced is to have more math and science classes at the grade school level to try and get black kids more interested in STEM majors...

Outside of that I don't see any other alternative than "40,000 of you need to be in STEM a year"

 

[theworldismine13]

The only possible way I see it being done without it being forced is to have more math and science classes at the grade school level to try and get black kids more interested in STEM majors...

Outside of that I don't see any other alternative than "40,000 of you need to be in STEM a year"

then lets have more math and science classes at the grade school level

 

[duckbutta]

well first of this is where the problem starts, its basic ignorance in the black community about what STEM is



but what you are saying is a BS, its way easier to get a job with a STEM degree than to having a "smash summer anthem"

and are you serious or on crack, did you just really say "smash summer anthem"

where are in a period when motherfukers are literally giving their music away for free cuz its so saturated FYI and when they are not giving it for free they are harassing you in the street with a free CD for a small donation

the whole notion of music being a financially savior is step 2 and 6 in the guide to destroy black males
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/rap-exploitation-how-to-destroy-a-black-male-in-10-steps.278734/

You obviously don't work in a STEM industry...

Can you explain to me how it is so easy...I will take your post...print it out...then pass it around the strabucks down the street since it is full of people with CS...MIS...math degrees who have been out of work 3 + years now...

 

[theworldismine13]

And how is that relevant to what the FUTURE effects of automation will be as proclaimed by leaders in science and technology

breh, im just asking a simple question, can i get a simple answer? or is it that you just dont know?

 

[theworldismine13]

You obviously don't work in a STEM industry...

Can you explain to me how it is so easy...I will take your post...print it out...then pass it around the strabucks down the street since it is full of people with CS...MIS...math degrees who have been out of work 3 + years now...

yeah i do work in STEM, and if you know anybody with a STEM degree i can get them a job

starbucks is filled with humanities majors its not filled with STEM majors

 

[Bomberman]

but what you are saying is BS, its way easier to get a job with a STEM degree than to having a "smash summer anthem"

and are you serious or on crack, did you just really say "smash summer anthem"

we are in a period when motherfukers are literally giving their music away for free cuz its so saturated FYI and when they are not giving it for free they are harassing you in the street with a free CD for a small donation

the whole notion of music being a financially savior is step 2 and 6 in the guide to destroy black males
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/rap-exploitation-how-to-destroy-a-black-male-in-10-steps.278734/

If you kid has MUSICAL talent and some of the main abilities that come from it, it'd be foolish to just push them onto science/math. IF you don't help them develop their skills while younger you'll never know how far they could go. Some folks say it's not the safe route, but I'm willing to bet a lot of families have thrown their kid's musical potential away because to just go to school and become a doctor/lawyer/engineer/scientist/etc.

Good for them that they got an awesome STEM job, but honestly who's to say they can't do that much later in life too? Plenty of people leave the military and become engineers, plenty of people go to school while working a 9-5. Plenty of husbands support their wives and wives support their husbands while they finishing school in STEM fields, etc.

But once you don't give your kid the necessary musical growth as a child musical prodigy, you've already missed essential practice time then. If you don't make them actively involved in music through their junior high and high school years, you've missed another golden opportunity.

That same kid can still be a STEM worker (work ethic in college), but he can never be a musical legend (almost 2 decades of musical experience missed). That's all I'm getting at.

 

[theworldismine13]

If you kid has MUSICAL talent and some of the main abilities that come from it, it'd be foolish to just push them onto science/math. IF you don't help them develop their skills while younger you'll never know how far they could go. Some folks say it's not the safe route, but I'm willing to bet a lot of families have thrown their kid's musical potential away because to just go to school and become a doctor/lawyer/engineer/scientist/etc.

Good for them that they got an awesome STEM job, but honestly who's to say they can't do that much later in life too? Plenty of people leave the military and become engineers, plenty of people go to school while working a 9-5. Plenty of husbands support their wives and wives support their husbands while they finishing school in STEM fields, etc.

But once you don't give your kid the necessary musical growth as a child musical prodigy, you've already missed essential practice time then. If you don't make them actively involved in music through their junior high and high school years, you've missed another golden opportunity.

That same kid can still be a STEM worker (work ethic in college), but he can never be a musical legend (almost 2 decades of musical experience missed). That's all I'm getting at.

there is nothing that im saying that would stop any musical prodigy from developing, all children should have a well rounded education with exposure to music, arts, science and math and sports and the kid should pursue whatever they want to

but the poster brought up "smash summer anthem" anybody that talks like that is obviously delusional and has been watching to many rap videos, yeah lets have another generation of struggle rappers


music and sports is not the way forward for black people, lets chill with the NBA, NFL and "smash summer anthems" talk, the way forward is to have highly educated black men and women, regardless if they do decide to go into music or sports or STEM

STEM is an issue because unlike sports, music and humanities and business majors, there is definitely a lack of black people in that area, so as a community we need to fix that imbalance, it will be very difficult if not impossible for black people to move forward without a critical mass of black engineers and scientists

 

[Originalman]

Articles like this are dumb. During the late 90s those number shot up because the economy was great and there was more money given out in loans and grants. After 2001 we had an economical crisis and in 2008 we another bad economy. This effects blacks more cause we are at the bottom of the food chain.

Add to that many jobs were lost that focus on math and science such as engineering jobs (so less kids will go into those fields). I bet you will see a shift in these numbers after 2010 because the economy has improved.

I have multiple degrees in engineering and I hate these articles because they tell half truths.

Same as the whole no black folks in tech fields in silicon valley. When it ignores that the commercial companies reuse to hire blacks. But these same black folks can get a job in DoD all fukking day and twice on Sunday because they have to in order to keep those government contracts.

 

[J-Fire]

I keep hearing about lab techs... They ain't making shyt either.
Many of them don't even have a college degree! They get jobs the old-fashioned way: thru networking.

It's unfair but that's how most people get those kinds of jobs, by knowing people connected to companies (family, friends, acquaintances). Qualifications are almost secondary.
This system hurts minorities the most since it overwhelmingly favors white folks who dominate Corporate America... Unless you have connected white friends willing to help out.

The networking thing was an eye-opener for me. That shyt is so prevalent in my company, it's disgusting (father, son, cousin, friend, etc). Some white dude just got hired mainly because he was once a roommate of a colleague. He didn't even go to college but he's gonna learn on the job (lab tech)
That's a killer for minorities, since almost 80 percent of white folks don't have friends of another race.
http://news.yahoo.com/75-percent-white-people-don-t-nonwhite-friends-185945825.html

Plus, it homogenizes the office since friends tend to have the same qualities and flaws. That's not always beneficial for the company.
I got lucky since I found my job the hard way (I had no connections but my engineering degree was a nice asset).

that's the proper way to hire people....not the hard way.

these connections for getting jobs disgust me. take time...read resumes and interview!

 

[J-Fire]

More black owned business are great!! But.....

folks are always talk bout owning a business, but what business will you open up if you dont even have any technical/in-demand skill?

just like how not everyone is cut out for STEM, not everybody is fit to be a business owner.

Point blank.

Not everyone has that entrepreneurial spirit, and as far as the black community is concerned, a lot of people don't even have access to the Wealth and resources to even START a lucrative business.

For those who lack the start-up cash, creativity and the entrepreneurial spirit, education beyond just a bachelors is the safest bet. After that, then maybe they can partner with some people who have more of that business-savvy mindset

but for those that want to start a business. How much does it cost to...make a website on blogger or wix, get a domain, make a business account on social media, and read up on creating an app? Andriod/ios has tutorials and software on their website, and people share knowledge on youtube. And if you want a basic app for a business instead of creating the next angry birds you could go to app makr.

Online business have low cost....but you have to put in effort if you really want it.

 

[theworldismine13]

Articles like this are dumb. During the late 90s those number shot up because the economy was great and there was more money given out in loans and grants. After 2001 we had an economical crisis and in 2008 we another bad economy. This effects blacks more cause we are at the bottom of the food chain.

Add to that many jobs were lost that focus on math and science such as engineering jobs (so less kids will go into those fields). I bet you will see a shift in these numbers after 2010 because the economy has improved.

I have multiple degrees in engineering and I hate these articles because they tell half truths.

Same as the whole no black folks in tech fields in silicon valley. When it ignores that the commercial companies reuse to hire blacks. But these same black folks can get a job in DoD all fukking day and twice on Sunday because they have to in order to keep those government contracts.

the notion that silicon valley refuses to hire blacks is a lie, a black person with a STEM degree is pretty much guaranteed a job in SV

 

[Richard Wright]

Lol.... STEM =/= shytty IT certs and anything related to trade schools. STEM refers to degrees like engineering,physics,chemistry,applied maths etc. It takes a lot of hard work and time to get these degrees so i don't get where the trade school idea came from.

"Trade School" Computer Science Curriculum

Calc 1&2
Linear Algebra
Probability Theory
Statistical Inference
Discrete Structures

Digital Systems
Intro to Programming
Data Structures( 2 Semester)
High Level Programming Languages
Computer Architecture
Algorithm Analysis
Theory of Computation
Operating Systems
Software Engineering
Elective

These 15 classes would be 60 credits. If a young brother wants to learn humanities I have some Dan Carlin and Dostoyevsky to recommend him.

@theworldismine13 @Type Username Here

Thoughts? This could be all virtual and very low cost.

 

[acri1]

a trade school for STEM?



the issue is the lack of black STEM PhDs breh

That's not the issue at all.

The percentage of people in the general population (black or otherwise) with PHDs is so small that it barely affects unemployment. For example, even if black people got PHDs at twice the rate of white people, it still would only have a small effect on overall blck unemployment rates. And you're living in a dream world if you think there ever will be some point where half of black people (or any other group) get PHDs. Not to mention the huge amount of debt that you'd have to take on and the possibility that it still might not lead to a high paying job.

The issue is that a large percentage of the black population is lacking in marketable job skills, along with a huge amount of racism in the job market (for example, white high school dropouts getting preference over black college grads). Focusing specifically on PHDs is a waste of time.

 

[theworldismine13]

"Trade School" Computer Science Curriculum

Calc 1&2
Linear Algebra
Probability Theory
Statistical Inference
Discrete Structures

Digital Systems
Intro to Programming
Data Structures( 2 Semester)
High Level Programming Languages
Computer Architecture
Algorithm Analysis
Theory of Computation
Operating Systems
Software Engineering
Elective

These 15 classes would be 60 credits. If a young brother wants to learn humanities I have some Dan Carlin and Dostoyevsky to recommend him.

@theworldismine13 @Type Username Here

Thoughts? This could be all virtual and very low cost.

its the same difference, why would somebody go through all that and not get a bachelors

plus they have programming boot camps that last a couple of months, that is pretty much a programming trade school